What we’re up against: Weekly roundup of creationist comments

April 12, 2014 • 9:07 am

It was a big week for creationists trying to comment on this website (there was lots of other craziness too), so I can present only a short selection:

From creationist dentist Don McLeroy, once head of the Texas State Board of Education when it was trying to purge evolution from state biology textbooks. I asked him to present the evidence he had for the existence of God.  Here’s his answer, in an attempted comment on my post “The New Cosmos”:

Don McLeroy

Sorry for not getting back sooner. For a starter I will give you the first apologetic (EVIDENCE) that I teach my fourth grade Sunday School class: Look at the Jew. There is no naturalistic explanation for their prominence in world affairs today. Check out Deuteronomy 28-30–especially “That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.” Deu 30:3 This is pretty amazing!

Yeah, look at the Jew! No naturalistic explanation for their prominence in world affairs? What about the cultural emphasis on education and achievement?

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A reader commenting on the post “The tracks of a ghost“:

Spike

where is the recantation by the faithful followers of Darwinian evolution?
the Tiktaalik was hailed as the “missing link” of transitional form from sea creature to land animal by Darwinian evolutionary scientists (oxymoron). Now that tetrapod tracks were found “20 million years before the Tiktaalik”, proof to a Darwinian evolutionary scientist that the Tiktaalik was NOT “the missing link”, and that Tiktaalik was just a fish similar to fish in our days (just as it was Designed), we can confirm again that there is No evidence for Darwinian evolution.
Darwinian evolution is just a Non-Scientific Belief of no God, with No Observable Scientific Evidence, created by the imagination of men to avoid their accountability to our Creator.

We’re not sure about those earlier tetrapod tracks, and even if they are real, Tiktaalik wasn’t touted as the one species all of whose descendants were the tetrapods, but simply as a transitional form that may have been related to that one common ancestor. But surely Tiktaalik was more than a fish; if you don’t see its transitional features between fish and amphibians, you haven’t read Shubin’s book Your Inner Fish. And “Spike’s” claim that there is no evidence for Darwinian evolution shows him to be profoundly ignorant. To fix that, all he has to do is read either my book or Dawkins’s on this topic.

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A reader commenting on, ironically enough, March 29’s “Weekly craziness from readers“:

John Voris

Evolution has many logical gaps that science ignores in their overly zealous energy to promote atheism.

Science is about visible, physical evidence, while we live and die for the invisible and abstract ideas. This is obvious to anyone which is why the world looks to religion for answers.

Most know that science left objective reporting long ago. Real facts have been filtered by Liberalism before reaching the public. While the physical sciences have performed miracles in pharmaceuticals evolutionists have lost credibility in explaining the human condition. Our humanity and psychologism tell us that evolution is misleading if not wrong altogether. (Where are all the missing links)

Yeah, where are all the “missing links”?  What you mean, John, is “transitional forms,” and there are plenty of them. Have you done the slightest bit of investigation, or has your religion blinded you to their existence. If you’re open-minded, try here. I’m curious, though, how our “humanity and psychologism” show that evolution is misleading.

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A reader commenting on “Trigger warning for EVOLUTION at children’s science center“:

Don

I believe that evolution is science trying to explain what GOD does. And as far as atheists go: they don’t believe that God exists. But as far as God is concerned, atheists DON’T EXIST!!!

I don’t know; I just looked in the mirror and I’m pretty sure I’m here. Can’t God see me? I’ve heard this comment before about God not believing in atheists, and I’ve never understood it.

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Finally, a reader concerned with the afterlife comments on “‘In Heaven, everybody’s young’: a new movie proving Heaven“:

Anne

I’ve read several accounts where in Heaven everyone is young? The exact age is unknown? But I am with you, Liz! I am looking forward to seeing my loved ones again, no matter what age we are. Thank you very much for sharing Joe’s book as well. Looks fantastic.

No comment.

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The common theme of these and many creationist comments seems to be the lack of “missing links”, which of course are nearly impossible to find because they represent a single species whose descendants split into the two “linked” groups: say, humans versus other apes. But we don’t need to find a single species. As I discuss in my book, “transitional forms” that occur at the right time, and combine the characteristics of the two linked groups, are great evidence for common ancestry. And those we have in surfeit: intermediates between early fish and amphibians (e.g., Tiktaalik), between early amphibians and reptiles, between early reptiles and early mammals (the “mammal-like reptiles”), between theropod dinosaurs and early birds, between ancient artiodactyls and early whales, and, of course, between early humans with characteristics intermediate to those of ancient apes and modern humans. Australopithecus, for instance, had a head with the brain about the size of a modern chimp sitting atop a postcranial skeleton that was distinctly similar to that of modern humans. How often do I have to say this, and show the fossils, before people listen?

But of course their ears are stopped with verses from the Bible. ~

Will humans become two subspecies?

April 12, 2014 • 7:47 am

UPDATE: I’ve heard from Dr. Curry about this piece; he’s appalled that it was published and explains the situation:

I’m sorry that you had to waste some of your valuable time dealing with the old news story about the future of human evolution. The story purports to be about my ‘research’ on the future of human evolution; it is in fact a PR stunt by the television company Bravo. The real story is that, back in 2006 I was commissioned by Bravo to write an essay on the future of humanity. The essay was science fiction, intended to illustrate some aspects of evolutionary theory to an audience of television executives. It was not serious academic research, let alone a prediction about our actual future(!). However, Bravo put out a sensationalist press release about the essay, portraying it as science fact, and this press release was subsequently reproduced by the media (including the BBC). I watched in horror as the story spread around the world, and I am equally horrified each time the story bubbles up on the ‘most read’ list on the BBC homepage (as it does every few years, for reasons that are mysterious to me, as it did again the other day, hence your flurry of emails). As I am sure you can imagine, this is a recurring professional nightmare for me; and I am grateful to you for correcting some of the misunderstandings that the story has generated.

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I haven’t read the paper that this BBC article refers to, nor do I know whether it’s even been published in the scientific literature, but several readers sent me this piece and wanted my take on it. Since it’s from 2006, I’m not sure why several readers sent it simultaneously.

The piece at BBC News is given the provocative title, “Human species may split in two.” And the theory floated in that piece, by Dr. Oliver Curry, a lecturer at the Institute of Cognitive and Evolutionary Anthropology at the University of Oxford and a research associate at the London School of Economics, seems deeply unsound: in fact, not even wrong.

Here’s how the BBC describes his “theory,” but again, if there’s a paper about it (one isn’t mentioned), I haven’t read it. All the article says is that Curry’s views were presented on a “men’s satellite TV show”:

Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.

The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said – before a decline due to dependence on technology.

People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the “underclass” humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

. . . Further into the future, sexual selection – being choosy about one’s partner – was likely to create more and more genetic inequality, said Dr Curry.

The logical outcome would be two sub-species, “gracile” and “robust” humans similar to the Eloi and Morlocks foretold by HG Wells in his 1895 novel The Time Machine.

. . . He carried out the report for men’s satellite TV channel Bravo.

I see no evidence that humanity will divide into two moieties in this way. In fact, intermarriage between humans will become more prevalent with greater migration between countries, creating genetic admixture between all kinds of genetically different populations. I’m curious how Curry manages to conclude that the human species is—or will be—splitting into two groups that will remain genetically and reproductively distinct, and that there is a bimodal distribution of matings, with attractive, creative, and tall humans on one end and short, squat, and ugly ones at the other. Is there any evidence of this happening now? Not that I know of.

Further, even if there were assortative mating for looks (and I suspect there is), it’s neither complete or associated with intelligence. Where are the data showing not only bimodal mating for height and attractiveness, but that those traits are strongly associated (for a strong association is needed to split the species) with intelligence?

There is simply no data to butress these speculations, which get press only because they’re sensationistic, smacking of 1984.  Any tendency for such assortative mating wouldn’t create bimodality unless it was mandated by the government, for there’s sufficient gene flow between his dichotomous categories (attractive people of one sex marrying not-so-attractive people of the other, and so on) that this kind of “splitting” will not occur.

Curry goes on about receding chins, our loss of capabilities due to medical technology that allows the medically deficient to breed, and so on, but I’ll ignore that for the nonce. He adds this:

But in the nearer future, humans will evolve in 1,000 years into giants between 6ft and 7ft tall, he predicts, while life-spans will have extended to 120 years, Dr Curry claims.

Physical appearance, driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility, will improve, he says, while men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

Women, on the other hand, will develop lighter, smooth, hairless skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, and even features, he adds. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-coloured people.

This is again insupportable. 1000 years is only about 30-40 human generation, and if we are supposed to increase a foot in height by then, there would have to be pretty strong directional selection for height (or sexual selection practiced by both sexes). Again, I don’t know of any evidence for a higher reproductive output of people whose genes make them taller. We have no such data, nor do we know how much of height difference between human populations is based on genetic versus environmental differences. Since World War II, for example, the Japanese have increased several inches in height, but that change is due entirely in improvement of diet, as there’s only been one or two generations since then and nutrition has improved markedly. As for those squarer jaws, longer penises, and pert breasts, that’s just bunk. As far as I know, we have no data showing reproductive advantages (actually offspring number) accruing to men or women with those features.

The stuff about human morphology becoming more uniform over time is one thing that Curry probably got right (even a blind pig can find an acorn). Certainly humans are moving around more now, and people from different ethnic groups are intermarrying, evening out the lumps in the landscape of human morphology.  We all know of “hybrids” between people of different ethnic groups; I see them all the time among my students: children of Asian/Caucasian marriages, for instance. And you can often recognize them because their facial features and hair color are an admixture. But I don’t think we’ll be uniform in even a millennium.

And really, penis length? What data do we have that men with larger generative organs leave more offspring? Curry’s talking through his hat here.

This kind of unsupported speculation gives evolutionary biology a bad name.

 

 

Saturday: Hili dialogue

April 12, 2014 • 6:19 am

Once again Hili has visions of being a deity:

Hili: I Am Who I Am.
A: You already said it once.
Hili: But now I’m a kitchen goddess who, for the moment, is not hungry.

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In Polish:
Hili: Jestem która jestem.
Ja: To już mówiłaś.
Hili: Jestem bogiem kuchennym, chwilowo nie głodnym.

 

“Your Inner Fish”– TV version– has begun

April 11, 2014 • 2:29 pm

by Greg Mayer

Jerry noted in February that friend-of-the-site Neil Shubin will be presenting a three-part series on PBS this month based on his bestselling Your Inner Fish. The series began this past Wednesday; I was unable to see the whole episode (because at the same time I was writing an exam I had to give the next morning!), but it seems to have gotten off to a good start, and I saw appearances in one or more of the clips not only by Neil, but by my friends and colleagues Steve Gatesy, Ted Daeschler, and the late Farish Jenkins (all of whom were involved in the discovery of Tiktaalik).

Neil Shbin holding a cast of Tiktaalik.
Neil Shubin holding a cast of Tiktaalik.

The program has a well done website, where you can watch full episodes, as well as many other videos, and find other great resources. There is a parallel website hosted by Biointeractive.org, an arm of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which also has many resources. The two sites seem to be only partially overlapping, so it’s worth visiting both.

The second episode will be aired in most areas next Wednesday, April 16, and the third episode the week after (April 23), but show times and dates may vary locally. There are also several re-broadcasts, and episodes become available on the website after broadcast. A DVD version will be released later this spring.

Evolution made my daughter cry

April 11, 2014 • 1:31 pm

[Jerry asked me to write something about this article forwarded by reader Steve as he is pretty much tied up today and tomorrow. I would normally approach the subject of US politics cautiously, not being an American myself; but “evolution made my daughter cry” is one of the most plaintive battle cries I have ever heard. – Grania Spingies]

 

My theory, which is mine, is that some people get into politics because they see themselves like this:

 

Minnesota Republican Aaron Miller who is now running for Congress is reported as saying:

There’s a war on our values by the government, we should decide what is taught in our schools, not Washington, D.C.

By “we” I think we are meant to understand people who think like he does, specifically people who deny science.

 

Mankato Free Press recounts:

He repeated his story about his daughter returning home from school in tears because evolution was being taught in her class. He said the teacher admitted to not believing in the scientific theory to his daughter but told her that the government forced him to teach the lesson.

Iacknowledge quotes him as saying:

I’m running for Congress because of my children,” Miller explained at a Rochester Tea Party Patriots forum in February. “I have two daughters, 14 and 9, and I’m concerned that I’m about ready to offer a country to my girls that is not better off than my parents offered me. (emphasis mine)

Well, he’s got that bit right. If you deny your children a fair chance at an education that tries to teach basic scientific literacy, then yes, they do inherit a country that is worse off than the one he grew up in.

Instead of Mr Smith, you get Mayor Cole.

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The good news is that he is running in a competitive district, so getting elected may prove to be difficult.

 

Hat-tip to Steve

A discussion of Christopher Hitchens by Stephen Fry and friends

April 11, 2014 • 11:21 am

Here’s a podcast of an Intelligence Squared event that took place on November 11, 2011 at the Royal Festival Hall in London: “Stephen Fry and friends on the life, loves, and hates of Christopher Hitchens.” Moderated by Fry, the event includes discussion by Richard Dawkins, Sean Penn, Christopher Buckley, Martin Amis, Ian McEwan, and Salman Rushdie.

As the notes say,

Hitchens himself watched the event live online from his bedside in Texas. Novelist Ian McEwan who was at his side sent Fry a text which read “The Rolls Royce mind is still purring”.

The event took place on 11th November 2011, shortly before Hitchens died on 15th December.

It’s well worth 45 minutes of your time.