Rob Henderson completely messes up when discussing free will

September 26, 2026 • 9:45 am

Rob K. Henderson is identified by Wikipedia as  “an American writer and political commentator known for coining the term luxury beliefs.” These beliefs are said to “”confer status on the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”, and are said to include “defunding the police” and “getting rid of the SAT”.

Apparently one of Henderson’s “luxury beliefs” is belief in free will, as you can tell from the title of his Substack post below.  But his thesis is not only wrong, but a dog’s breakfast of a meal.  For one thing, he never defines free will.  And he makes a ton of statements about it that are simply full of holes.  I could write a substantive essay about how Henderson’s short piece is misguided, but it doesn’t deserve that. So what I’ll do is put his statements in bold, indented type, and put my responses in plain text flush left. Truly, I don’t understand why this guy doesn’t understand.

Let me start by saying that, as always, I conceive of free will as “contracausal” or “I could have done otherwise” free will, explained as the ability of a person in a given situation, with all the molecules of the universe poised at the moment of decision/action, to have done more than one thing. It does appear that Henderson has that notion, too, but he doesn’t say so.

And Henderson’s thesis is that the elites do think they themselves have free will, but propagate to the “lower classes” an idea of determinism, which harms those people by making them think they’re automatons.

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Here we go. Strap yourselves in, as it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

In his 2023 bestseller “Determined,” Stanford neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky argues that free will is an illusion. “We are nothing more or less than the cumulative biological and environmental luck, over which we had no control, that has brought us to any moment,” he writes. Author and podcaster Sam Harris has spent 15 years making the same case to a popular audience. “Our wills are simply not of our own making,” he writes in “Free Will” (2012). “Thoughts and intentions emerge from background causes of which we are unaware and over which we exert no conscious control. We do not have the freedom we think we have.”

Common sense pushes back. Consider an example from the psychologist Paul Bloom. Imagine a man who thrashes violently in his sleep and accidentally strikes his wife, breaking her nose. They both wake up, and he is horrified and ashamed. Now imagine a second man who resents his wife and wants to hurt her. He waits until she is asleep and then hits her in the face. When she wakes up, he pretends it was an accident. The difference between these two men is obvious. Any legal or moral system that doesn’t recognize that would collapse.

No determinist I know pretends that these two situations are equal. They’re “equal” only in that a man breaks his wife’s nose when she’s asleep. In one case it’s an accident, in the other a deliberate act. Although we may not be able to find out which is which, no determinist I know thinks that the situations are equivalent in how they should be dealt with. If we could find a way to distinguish them, then of course the abusive man should be punished.

Here Henderson paints a misleading view of what determinism is, and what the consequences of various actions are in light of determinism.  A man who breaks his wife’s nose may be likely to abuse her further, or abuse someone else, and for that reason alone should be punished. This sanction does not apply to an accidental blow, which does not come from malice and isn’t likely to recur.

More confusion:

Yet much of elite discourse encourages us to blur that distinction. Determinists like Messrs. Sapolsky and Harris tell us that behavior can be explained through systems, incentives, trauma, inequality, neurochemistry and social pressure. Much of this is true. But a culture that speaks only this language teaches people that they are spectators in their own lives. The implication, rarely stated outright, is that no one really chooses anything. We are all the first man in the example above, thrashing in our sleep.

The determinists don’t deny that we have wills, or that our actions follow from them. Their argument is that will and action are themselves the products of deeper causes, such as genes, molecules and the environment, and so we can’t really be called free.

Well, we are spectators in our own lives, in that we know not the wellsprings from whence our thoughts and actions derive.  But no determinist is trying to blur the consequences of disparate actions, arising in different ways, that have similar consequences. The rest Henderson gets right, but the bit about determinists “blurring” the causes of actions is dead wrong.  And Henderson still hasn’t given us a cause of an action that does not ultimately rest on material objects like neurons. Does he believe in “ghostly” free will? Does he think that at a given instant, we can make more than one choice? He doesn’t tell us.

The psychologist Roy F. Baumeister has spent much of his career arguing against this type of thinking. In his recent book, “The Science of Free Will,” he claims that free will evolved because it was required to live in complex social systems. Culture works only if people can restrain themselves. They must follow rules when no one is watching. They must delay gratification. They must make plans. They must explain themselves. They must know that actions today bring consequences tomorrow.

Mr. Baumeister’s key move is to treat free will as a matter of degree. Some actions are freer than others. A man ordering dinner from a menu is freer than a man being robbed at gunpoint. A sober adult planning his career is freer than a drunk teenager in a parking lot at 2 a.m.

If free will “evolved”, then it must be material, for only material things are subject to biological evolution. Does Henderson mean that the feeling that we have free will evolved? I’m willing to believe that, but the existence of something immaterial affecting thoughts and “decisions”, which is what contracausal free demands, cannot have evolved.

As for degrees of freedom, that won’t wash, either. The man robbed at gunpoint is determined by his genes and environment to hand over his wallet, for he’s evolved to not want to die.  And a man ordering dinner? At the moment he selects his entree, could he have chosen another? Not according to what we know of physics.  Coerced action seems less free, but still involves determinism, just as with the man who chooses a burger rather than salmon (that would be me).

But hold on folks, for here comes the “luxury belief” part:

The determinists would have us drop these distinctions. But notice the asymmetry in their position. They rarely treat themselves as automatons. They also reserve agency for the educated reader, who is presumed to have the ability to redesign legal systems and reimagine institutions. Free will for me, but not for thee.

The deniers of free will haven’t improved society. They have merely produced a more forgiving vocabulary for those who damage it. The man who waits for his wife to fall asleep becomes harder to condemn, because somewhere in his past there is a reason. There is always a reason, but that isn’t the same as an excuse or justification.

Whaaaaat??? From what I know of Sapolsky and Sam Harris, the paragons of determinism, they do indeed see themselves as automatons. Sam Harris has even used the image of a puppet to represent a determinist, with genes and environment pulling the strings. Wherever Henderson got his idea that the “elite” determinists think they have free will while others don’t, it’s a blockheaded and palpably wrong idea.

Now why, you might ask, do the “elite” embrace free will for themselves but tell others that they don’t have free will? Apparently because all of us elitists want to parade their virtue by arguing that criminals should be treated more leniently—a consequence that Henderson sees as inevitably following from belief in determinism:

Arguments against free will often carry a hidden moral assumption. If no one truly chooses his actions, then no one deserves blame. Criminals should be treated more leniently because they couldn’t have acted otherwise. Judgment is redirected away from the criminal and toward the person who chooses to condemn him.

Notice, though, the asymmetry. The determinist grants agency to himself and a handful of other anointed beings. They can choose to become more enlightened. They can exert agency to redesign the criminal-justice system, revise social norms and build more compassionate institutions. Criminals and everyone else, meanwhile, are reduced to billiard balls.

This is presented as humane, but it’s condescending. It strips people of agency in the name of compassion. And once a person is no longer regarded as capable of governing himself, it becomes easier to justify governing him without his consent. If people are merely carried along by forces they can’t understand or control, then perhaps their preferences need not be taken seriously either.

The scientific and philosophical arguments about determinism are worth considering. But they should be separated from the moral conclusions that are so often attached to them. Too many deniers of free will smuggle in an exception for themselves. The unenlightened masses are automatons. The enlightened few, though, are free enough to decide what to do with them.

As I’ve said many times, and I believe Sam and Robert would agree, yes, people who do acts, injurious or meritorious, do deserve praise or blame. But that is simply a way of promoting good acts, discouraging bad ones, and reforming baddies or sequestering them away from society by locking them up.  You don’t have to have free will to come to those conclusions; all you have to do is observe human behavior and decide what kind of society you want. (Note that the elites seem to be denigrated for designing a more humane justice system, which does follow from accepting determinsim, but also that Henderson thinks we reduce criminals to “billiard balls.” What happened to all the other non-elites who aren’t criminals?)

Determinists don’t strip people of free will in the name of compassion; they strip people of free will because what is what, as far as we know, the databsuggest. Compassion may indeed follow from realizing that nobody makes a free-will choice to do good or ill, but again I emphasize that this doesn’t mean that criminals should be free from punishment or treatment. And of course we have to take people’s preferences seriously, because those preferences are coded in their genes and neurons, put there by their inheritance or their environment (environment, of course, can change people’s preferences and their apparent “choices.” And it is disrespectful to ignore their preferences: “No Sam, you don’t want the steak; you want the sirloin. I know!”

This is all an attempt by Henderson, I think, to shoehorn free will as a “luxury belief”, a belief entertained by the “enlightened few” who are able to follow a scientific conclusion to its social consequences. But you don’t have to be “enlightened” to ponder the idea and, I hope, to realize that there is no such thing as contracausal free will. (There is of course “compatiblist free will”, but that is a semantic trick described by Sam Harris as the idea that “a puppet loves his strings.”)

And how, pray tell, does the rejection of free will promulgated by the elites “inflict costs in the lower classes”? And how does it stamp us as “elites”?

I swear, this is one of the most misguided and erroneous things I’ve read on free will. I suppose that because “luxury beliefs” are Henderson’s leitmotif, and apparently his Big Contribution to social discourse, he has to grab free will with his tentacles and drag that “luxury belief” into the Tent of Philosophy.

Why did I waste a couple of hours reading this stuff and trying to show its problems? Because I had no choice, of course.

Find the cat!

September 26, 2026 • 8:15 am

All I know of this photo is from reader Peter, who said, “quickly snapped this black street cat in Samoa.”  Your job is to spot it, and if you do, don’t give away its location in the comments, but just say “I found it.” I rate it “pretty easy”.

The reveal will be at noon Chicago time. 

I urge other readers to submit “spot the animal” photos, but if you do be sure not to put the critter at dead center.

Saturday: Hili dialogue

September 26, 2026 • 6:45 am

Welcome to CaturSaturday, September 25, 2026, and the last Friday of the month.  There will not be a Caturday post this week due to the visit of the Black D*g. It’s National Pancake Day; here’s a stack of blue corn pancakes with piñon nuts I ate in Santa Fe eight years ago:

It’s also International Rabbit Day, Museum Day, National Better Breakfast Day, National Dumpling Day, National Wildlife Ecology Day, and the first day of Sukkot, which began last night at sunddown and continues until sundown on Friday. It’s a harvest festival that is quite complicated, but the good part is that it doesn’t require fasting, and since it’s held outdoors in flimsy shelters during cool weather, lots of hearty food is involved.

Readers are welcome to mark notable events, births, or deaths on this day by consulting the September 25 Wikipedia page.

Da Nooz:

*Iran has proposed a deal that would open up the Strait of Hormuz, though there’s been no U.S. reaction so far. (See update below)

Iran has offered to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and resume talks on its nuclear program in seven days if the United States lifts its naval blockade, waives sanctions on Iranian oil sales and observes a ceasefire that would include Lebanon.

Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi detailed the proposal in a private gathering on Thursday on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York, according to one attendee.

Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute think tank, who attended, said Araghchi suggested that a speedy agreement would help U.S. President Donald Trump ahead of November’s midterm elections.

There was no immediate comment from Iran’s U.N. mission or other Iranian officials.

The proposal strongly resembles the so-called Memorandum of Understanding reached in June, but with an accelerated timetable. The earlier agreement, which had called for a 60-day interim period, quickly collapsed as Iran resumed attacks on shipping in the strait.

Trump has said he is in no rush to reach a deal, even as high oil prices fuel inflation and exacerbate cost of living concerns. On the Iranian side, there are questions as to whether the hard-liners who dominate the security forces will accept compromises championed by relative moderates, like President Masoud Pezeshkian.

“If Trump calculates this arrangement is worthwhile and can bring political benefit before the midterms and reduce gas prices, perhaps we’ll see flexibility not seen in previous weeks,” Parsi said. But he noted “deep suspicion,” especially around the prospect of Iran merely buying time to get out more of its oil and ease its economic pain.

UPDATE: CBS News reports that Trump has rejected this offer:

President Trump rejected Iran’s latest proposal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and restart talks aimed at reaching a deal on the country’s nuclear program, according to U.S. officials quoted by the Wall Street Journal.

Earlier this week, Iran’s foreign minister offered a proposal to implement a seven-day ceasefire, reopen the strait and restart talks with the U.S. aimed at reaching a final nuclear deal.

However, U.S. officials quoted by the Wall Street Journal reportedly said Mr. Trump is “skeptical” Iran would meet his demands and that he expects to resume a bombing campaign.

Indeed; this shows that Iran is being economically squeezed, and although Trump has a political loss in the offing if he holds firm with Iran, he also has a military gain. Do I know what he’s going to do? Of course not. Do I think he should stay the course? Yes, of course.

*After a federal judge order restoration of White House press pool access to MS NOW, Politico, and CNN journalists on Thursday morning, on Thursday evening some of them were still blocked from access to the White House, and enforcement of the judge’s order was also spotty throughout the day. After all, Trump thinks they purvey “fake news”:

Journalists from CNN, MS NOW and Politico were allowed reentry to the White House on Thursday, days after being banned by the administration, and hours after U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly ordered their credentials restored.

This followed a chaotic morning in which journalists from all three outlets were initially turned away from the White House, and some had their press credentials seized by the U.S. Secret Service.

But later in the day CNN and MS NOW reported that some of their journalists were denied access to cover the arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping at the White House for a state dinner.

CNN said that a reporter and producer were blocked from the event, while a photojournalist and audio technician were able to attend. MS NOW said its White House reporter Laura Barrón-López was denied entry to President Xi’s arrival ceremony.

President Donald Trump berated the two media outlets in a post on Truth Social Thursday, falsely claiming they had “refused to cover” the arrival.

“The event was magnificent — Actually made for Television but, because they’re Fake News, and because they knew how good it would be, they didn’t want credit to be given to “TRUMP,” they refused to be there,” he said.

It remains to be seen whether the White House pool system — which splits video coverage of the president among five major networks — will resume to cover the remainder of the visit of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, MS NOW White House reporter Akayla Gardner said. ABC, CBS, Fox News and NBC said they would halt TV coverage of presidential events after the White House banned CNN, while other outlets, including The Washington Post earlier this week, temporarily refrained from publishing new photos of Trump in a show of support.

“This is a historic moment. We have President Xi coming here to Washington for a major state visit, and at this moment, we’re seeing tremendous solidarity among the news outlets,” Gardner said on air Thursday, adding, “I think we can assume that if the White House does comply with this order, that the pool potentially will be back in effect once again, and the public can get information the same way that they had before.”

UPDATE: As of this morning,  the NYT reports that the blockade is still somewhat in force:

The White House on Friday night blocked CNN from accompanying President Trump on a Saturday trip to Tennessee, a network spokeswoman confirmed, in the latest twist in a weeklong standoff between Mr. Trump and the Washington press corps.

The decision immediately raised the question of whether the television pool would cover the president’s trip. The TV pool, a rotating group of networks that share the work of filming the president’s daily activities, had boycotted those responsibilities this week after Mr. Trump first banned CNN from participating in the pool.

I’m glad the news outlets, including Fox News, are standing together to oppose Trump’s clearly unconstitutional act, and the administration might as well realize they’re on a Losing Cause Train and stop censoring the press pool.

*According to the NYT, the University of Cambridge has abandoned plans for a full investigation of the Jason Arday affair, including examining the University’s hiring practices, and instead will focus largely on “whether the school offered [Arday] sufficient support amid accusations that he plagiarized portions of his doctoral thesis and embellished his personal narrative.”  This, of course, reflects the University’s desire to avoid at all costs an analysis of how the school could hire a completely unqualified fabulist, apparently because he was both black and claimed to be disabled.” (h/t Greg; article archived here).

The University of Cambridge has abandoned plans to fully investigate its hiring of Jason Arday, the professor who became a lightning rod in the debate over diversity-and-inclusion efforts in higher education, following his abrupt death last month.

Instead, the university said, the inquiry will examine whether the school offered him sufficient support amid accusations that he plagiarized portions of his doctoral thesis and embellished his personal narrative. Dr. Arday may come up as part of a broader look at university hiring practices, but he will not be a focus.

That marks an abrupt shift from the plan announced this summer, when the school’s vice chancellor, Deborah Prentice, promised a “thorough and transparent” investigation into Dr. Arday’s appointment.

Dr. Arday died last month amid intense scrutiny of his biography and a deluge of personal, sometimes racist, taunts online. No official cause of death has been released, but his family said that the “campaign of misinformation was too much for Jason.”

The change in investigative focus means that Cambridge may never publicly address questions about how it vetted Dr. Arday for a senior teaching job and why it repeatedly downplayed concerns about his work and biography.

That has upset some professors, who are circulating a letter demanding full institutional accountability and an examination of how the university promoted Dr. Arday’s personal story, according to a draft seen by The New York Times.

. . .Cambridge has appointed a respected former prosecutor to lead the review but has narrowed the scope. The investigation is “not about the allegations made against Professor Arday or about his academic record,” the former prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, said recently. “It’s about his welfare, his care, his well-being.”

It will go “deep on a narrow question rather than broad on all of them,” Mr. Afzal, who is also chancellor of the University of Manchester, noted in a post. A second, broader inquiry by an expert panel may touch on Dr. Arday’s years at Cambridge but will not focus on him.

The second review “will consider the wider context of Professor Arday’s time at the University of Cambridge” by examining policies on hiring and academic misconduct, along with “the support available to academics who are subject to extraordinary public and media scrutiny,” a university description of the inquiry reads.

A university spokesperson declined to explain the change or answer questions about it

The reason for the change is pretty clear. First, Arday is dead, so one could say that there’s no point to investigating him, which could lead to his demotion or firing. But that investigation would lead to Cambridge being accused of racism. Second, if the investigation does reveal a form of antiracist or DEI hiring, whereby a deficit of merit can be made up by a surfeit of pigmentation and claimed handicaps, it would also look bad for Cambridge, despite the rest of us wanting to know why he was hired.  The benefits accrue to us and to academic, and none to Cambridge.

*As usual, I’ll steal a few items from Nellie Bowles’s weekly news-and-snark column in the Free Press, called this week “TGIF: I am the code.”

→ Claudine Gay is back: Former Harvard president Claudine Gay, who resigned after six months amid criticism over her handling of campus antisemitism as well as plagiarism allegations, has returned to teach a seminar called “What Is a University?: Purpose and Politics in Higher Education.” The 16-person course examines institutional power struggles, donor influence, and Harvard’s controversies, with students ultimately proposing their own vision for university reform.

I love this for her. She gets to teach a whole class on how she got fired. The final exam will be to throw darts at the head shots of Harvard board members. It’s a practicum on why the hell she ended up teaching that class. I hope they bring in donors and scream at them. Enroll me, please!

Don’t forget that Claudine Gay’s salary as a professor is a total of about $1.55 million per year, including $1,397,749 base compensation and $150,802 for “other compensation”, mostly university housing. How can she deserve that much, which is far more than regular Harvard professors make?

→ Sunny Hostin once served on a jury: This week on The View, Sunny Hostin said that when she was on a jury in the early ’90s, she was the holdout juror who prevented a good, if ill, man from going to prison. That’s right: She claims to have been the holdout in the “Butcher of Tompkins Square Park” trial (which might not be true but let’s go with Sunny). Here’s Sunny on his crime: “He did not mean to kill her and once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up her body, yes, boiled her body parts, tried to commit the perfect crime,” she continued, talking over the other panelists to make one final important point: “And he fed her body parts to the unhoused.” So crucial. He fed her body parts to the unhoused. She really wants to be sure you heard that part. Because, well, that’s honestly admirable. The unhoused are famously hungry. If someone slaughters your mother but then feeds her flesh to the homeless, it’s morally neutral. What? You want to starve our unhoused community of human flesh? You’ve never panicked and accidentally chopped up, boiled, and served human body parts? Okay, Ms. Perfect!

→ Oh, Lauren Boebert: Boebert is facing a House ethics complaint alleging sexual relationships with three staffers, including a four-year relationship with a woman to whom she allegedly paid $200,000 after it ended. Boebert—who has promoted “Christian values,” criticized Major League Baseball for “forcing” players to promote “the LGBTQ agenda,” and was famously caught vaping and groping a male companion in a theater—called the allegations “utterly false” and “politically motivated,” adding: “I’m not a lesbian or bisexual, and I have never, ever been in any inappropriate relationship, nor have I ever been sexually involved with any staff.” I want to believe her. And I typically am suspicious of allegations. But I saw that theater grope video. And just knowing how she presents to the world as a sort of sexed-up secretary. . . I don’t know, my gut says this one may be real. Boebert swinging both ways is extremely believable. Based on no knowledge, I’m gonna say it probably happened.

*The ToI reports that Jews in New Zealand have it extra tough, but not because of anti-semitism, but because of strict biocontrol laws applying to vegetation during Sukkot (h/t Peggy). Read above about Sukkot.

In the weeks after Passover each year, Israeli-New Zealander Daniel Rosenbaum is already at work preparing for Sukkot, a Jewish festival six months away.

As the incoming chairperson of the Wellington Jewish Community Center, Rosenbaum spends months navigating the legal and administrative requirements to import sets of the Four Species — plants that Jews are biblically commanded to gather together and wave on the Sukkot holiday.

The country’s approximately 5,500 Jews, a pittance among a broader population of 5.3 million people, face an enormous challenge getting supplies for the festival of Sukkot each year because New Zealand has some of the world’s strictest biosecurity laws.

Any natural materials, leaves, plants or fruits are considered a biosecurity hazard to New Zealand’s fragile island ecosystem, and their import into the country is tightly controlled. The lulav and etrog, or palm frond and citron, along with the myrtle and willow branches used on the festival of Sukkot, are caught under these strict restrictions.

This year, Rosenbaum is overseeing the legal import of 14 sets of the Four Species for all of New Zealand, some of which will be sent to the Auckland Hebrew Congregation. Under him, there are two teams. One looks after compliance and legislation, and the other acts as the importer.

“We have to go through the same rigmarole as a massive company, like one that brings in 1,000 tons of tomatoes from Spain,” said Rosenbaum.

To get import approval, the Wellington Jewish Community Center and Auckland Hebrew Congregation separately review their biosecurity risk management plans, submit them to the Ministry for Primary Industries for review, and undergo individual biosecurity verification audits.

MELBOURNE, Australia — In the weeks after Passover each year, Israeli-New Zealander Daniel Rosenbaum is already at work preparing for Sukkot, a Jewish festival six months away.

As the incoming chairperson of the Wellington Jewish Community Center, Rosenbaum spends months navigating the legal and administrative requirements to import sets of the Four Species — plants that Jews are biblically commanded to gather together and wave on the Sukkot holiday.

The country’s approximately 5,500 Jews, a pittance among a broader population of 5.3 million people, face an enormous challenge getting supplies for the festival of Sukkot each year because New Zealand has some of the world’s strictest biosecurity laws.

Any natural materials, leaves, plants or fruits are considered a biosecurity hazard to New Zealand’s fragile island ecosystem, and their import into the country is tightly controlled. The lulav and etrog, or palm frond and citron, along with the myrtle and willow branches used on the festival of Sukkot, are caught under these strict restrictions.

This year, Rosenbaum is overseeing the legal import of 14 sets of the Four Species for all of New Zealand, some of which will be sent to the Auckland Hebrew Congregation. Under him, there are two teams. One looks after compliance and legislation, and the other acts as the importer.

“We have to go through the same rigmarole as a massive company, like one that brings in 1,000 tons of tomatoes from Spain,” said Rosenbaum.

To get import approval, the Wellington Jewish Community Center and Auckland Hebrew Congregation separately review their biosecurity risk management plans, submit them to the Ministry for Primary Industries for review, and undergo individual biosecurity verification audits.

The government ministry checks the community building protocols and its plans for managing the sets. It then prepares a report indicating whether the synagogue’s proposed management of the biosecurity risk is acceptable or whether anything must be adjusted.

Anyone handling the Four Species must undergo “staff training” on how to handle the restricted plant material, so in Wellington, the synagogue includes a reminder of the community’s biosecurity protocols at their annual meeting and in the weekly synagogue newsletters leading up to the festival.

The sets of the Four Species are grown in Israel, but are imported via the nearest large Jewish community, Australia. Before the plants reach New Zealand, each synagogue’s biosecurity team puts up posters at all synagogue entrances, reminding congregants that they are entering a secure facility authorized under the Biosecurity Act.

Posters at all exits also remind people not to take the sets outside the synagogue. A green and red line is drawn around the synagogue’s secure and non-secure zones, and the sets cannot cross the red line, including into the sukkah, where they are traditionally waved in other communities. Although in other parts of the world many Jews purchase their own sets, no one in Wellington or Auckland may have one in their own home; the synagogue stores all sets in its secure facilities.

The process is extremely expensive. After all is said and done, the cost of a set — usually the cheapest and simplest available for purchase — comes out to around $1,200 to $1,700. In other communities around the world, such sets can often be obtained for as little as $40.

Well, such is religion. I have no truck with this minutely observed form of worship, but I do applaud the New Zealand government for applying its biosecurity laws to everything. And of course because Jews control everything, including the banks, they have the dosh to pay these enormous fees.

Meanwhile in Dobrzyn, Hili has an exchange with her nemesis Kulka. Is Kulka being insulted?

Kulka: Does absolute emptiness exist?
Hili: Some suspect it can be found in many heads.

In Polish:

Kulka: Czy istnieje absolutna próżnia?
Hili: Niektórzy podejrzewają, że jest w wielu głowach.

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From TherionArms:

From CinEmma:

From Darwin Awards Epics [sic] Fails:

Masih addresses a plea to Trump and Mamdani:

From Luana. In an ideal world you wouldn’t need charter schools or private schools, but this isn’t an ideal world.

From Brianna Wu, a trans-iudentified male whom I much admire, not only because she walks the walk but because she’s a liberal who dunks on progressives. And here she explains that in her case she was compelled to transition. That’s certainly true.

Manchester City, Matthew’s favorite footy team, is in trouble, and Larry uses a cat example:

Two from my feed. First, a rarely photographed wild sand cat:

If I were one of these helpful otters, I’d demand fish instead of no stinking ice cube:

And one I reposted from The Auschwitz Memorial:

And two from Doctor Cobb. Name the porcupine!

The new prickly pal needs a name! 💖Our prehensile-tailed porcupette is doing really well, gaining weight (now 2 lbs), and trying solids. She also loves hibiscus! The one-month-old wasn’t getting enough milk from her mom, so staff is hand-rearing her to ensure she continues to grow and thrive. 1/2

— Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium (@ptdefiancezoo.bsky.social) 2026-09-24T22:56:53.917Z

.I vote for “Bristle”:

Keepers have selected three name options: Amora, Bristle, and Bramble. Voting is open now and closes on Wednesday, September 30. We'll announce the winning name later next week.VOTE: pdza.org/name-the-porcupette

— Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium (@ptdefiancezoo.bsky.social) 2026-09-24T22:56:53.918Z

Music today: a new feature that may be transient. This is the famous melange of songs on the second side of Abbey Road. I’m not sure of the occasion, but the video notes “Music for MONTSERRAT 15th September,1997”.  Besides McCartney, there’s Phil Collins on drums, and Mark Knoepfler and Eric Clapton on guitar. Besides that, the orchestra is conducted by George Martin.

Pushback on the the movie “NAZA”

September 25, 2026 • 9:30 am

About ten days ago I reported on the first public showing of the anti-Israel film “NAZA,” made by two Israelis. Its premise was the IDF had, during the Gaza war, engaged in the deliberate targeting of civilians using AI, not caring about how many civilians they killed and, in fact, killing as many as possible (the “genocide” trope). The movie apparently used information from 24 anonymous IDF sources, and showing of the movie has been highly restricted. In fact, I wasn’t sure whether it had been shown beyond the Venice Film Festival, where it got  not only a prize but a standing ovation that was 24½ minutes long: the longest in the history of the festival. Grok now tells me that it’s been shown at a festival in Bologna as well, and there are plans for a wider release. But most people haven’t seen it, including the IDF.  Some of its approbation comes from the fact that it was directed by two Israelis, who, of course, couldn’t possibly be showing stuff that was wrong or distorted.

Nevertheless, you can tell a lot about the movie’s premise from this short , 83-second trailer, which has English subtitles. And some of the film’s contents have leaked.

The premise is that there was an IDF program to deliberately kill civilians, whether directly or as “collateral damage” (the meaning of the word “Naza”), and in some strikes up to 500 Gazan civilians were killed.  The video by Natasha Hausdorff and the two articles in the Times of Israel below vigorously dispute this allegation, though you can dismiss them, if you wish, because those sources are either Israeli or sympathetic to Israel.  But before you join the Stalinesque-wave of applause for NAZA (remember from The Gulag Archipelago that the first person who stopped applauding for the Russian leader was arrested), hear them out.

The 26-minute take by Hausdorff, who hasn’t seen the movie, is based on what has been made public about the movie and its trailer. She clearly explains the rule of proportionality as obeyed by the IDF and the ways the IDF warned civilians of imminent attacks.  NAZA apparently ignores Hausdorff’s point: estimating “collateral damage” before a strike is a legal obligation, not a nefarious exercise. As she says:

“And what the filmmakers do is present the modeling of incidental harm to a lay audience as though it were some cold Israeli invention devised for the purpose of justifying slaughter. Well, it isn’t an Israeli invention—it’s the law. And it’s precisely intended  to minimize excessive harm to civilians. Pre-strike collateral damage estimation is the standard practice in every law-abiding Western military—that includes Americans and NATO forces. It’s the procedural tool that compels a commander to confront the presence of non-combatants before a weapon is ever released.”

She goes on to explain what kind of civilian assessment and damage do and do not constitute war crimes. As for the “death of 500 civilians” accusation in NAZA, it’s been strongly denied by the IDF; indeed, no attack was approved to eliminate a Hamas commander, however powerful he be, that would kill more than 100 civilians.  Hausdorff also denies that decisions about where and who are attacked by the IDF are made by machines rather than humans; here the IDF has already published its protocol, which involves three different groups of people.

As for the anonymous IDF souces, Hausdorff avers that, “From an evidential standpoint, these accounts are unverified in every respect that actually matters. We don’t know who these individuals are. We don’t know what roles they had. And we don’t know they are who the filmmakers say they are.” This means that neither Israel nor anybody else can establish whether the accounts are true.

Second, this Times of Israel by Sarit Zehavi (click to read) also casts strong doubt on the film’s premise, for Zehavi, who was willing to be interviewed but wasn’t asked, helped construct the very system of estimating civilian casualties. (She is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Israeli IDF reserve.) Click the headline to read.

An excerpt:

The creators of the recent documentary, “NAZA,” about “Naza” (a Hebrew military acronym for Nezek Agavi – collateral damage) did not have to work too hard to discover the truth.

They could have simply interviewed me. I would have stood in front of the camera, without hiding my identity, on the roof of my house nine kilometers (5.6 miles) from Lebanon, where we endured endless barrages of rockets, and explained the reality on the ground.

A little less than 20 years ago, I was one of the founders of the unit within the IDF that deals with warning populations on the other side of enemy lines and preserving civilian lives.

We built the processes that define how to issue evacuation warnings, and how to track evacuations. I was personally involved in formulating target approval processes and operational discussions.

If they had spoken with me, I would have explained that the chart shown at the beginning of the film’s promotional material is not a “killing chart,” but rather a planning chart for a target identified as being used by Hamas.

Its purpose is to determine whether to strike at all, who in the command echelon is authorized to approve the strike, with what munitions, and under what conditions. In stark contrast to the way it is presented in the promotional material, when the words “Naza 500 – collateral damage estimated at 500” appear in the approval process, it means that action must be taken to reduce the collateral damage.

There are a variety of ways to do this, such as issuing an evacuation warning, using precision munitions, or canceling the strike entirely. Noting the collateral damage on the target sheet does not signify an intention to kill civilians or commit “genocide”; it is intended, first and foremost, to prevent civilian deaths.

Our enemies, both Hamas and Hezbollah, deliberately place their rockets and headquarters in the heart of civilian areas, in tunnels under Beirut or in high-rise residential buildings in southern Lebanon. Hamas in Gaza does the same, operating in civilian areas and using children as human shields. They do this on the working assumption that if Israel strikes without warning, hundreds of civilians will be killed. That is exactly their goal. But Israel chooses differently: there are hundreds of soldiers and officers in the IDF whose sole role is protecting civilians in enemy territory. That is what they think about from the moment they wake up in the morning.

I would have expected a serious examination of this subject to include the perspective of former IDF personnel, like me, as well as serving soldiers and officers who are familiar with these procedures and could explain the professional meaning of collateral-damage assessments. Based on the promotional materials I have seen, that perspective is absent.

The promo for the film claims that the IDF “never checks the number of civilians killed.”

The truth is that checking the exact number of casualties in enemy territory in real time is a complex and nearly impossible task. This is exactly why the collateral damage assessment process takes into account factors such as the size of the structure and the estimated number of civilians routinely in its vicinity.

. . .According to IDF officials quoted in the Israeli media, the filmmakers did not seek the military’s response before the film was released, and the IDF learned of its claims through the media. The IDF spokesperson later publicly asked to view the full documentary in order to respond to its allegations. If the filmmakers, both of them investigative journalists, have declined to disclose their film or findings to the IDF, that would be contrary to basic journalistic ethics.

Without knowing more about the film’s anonymous sources, it is impossible to know what roles the interviewees held within the system, and whether their accounts, assuming they are authentic, are even relevant to understanding the chain of approvals and actions taken prior to striking a target.

The promotional materials released so far present the story from a very narrow angle: they rely on anonymous sources whose level of involvement, rank, and understanding of the process are unclear, while completely omitting the experts who built these systems with one goal: preserving human life. There are such experts. I was one of them.

The article below by Omer Shem Tov is based on an op-ed he wrote in the Wall Street Journal. It’s not all that germane to the film but I’m throwing in the links here for information.

Shem Tov was a hostage kidnapped on October 7, and recounts the lengths Israel went to not to kill him by accident:

Shem Tov, who was kidnapped on October 7, 2023, from the Nova music festival near the Gaza border, recounted an instance when the mother of one of his captors received a phone call from the IDF warning her of an imminent airstrike.

“Hamas knew where I was and left me to die. Israel didn’t know my location, but it knew where my captor’s mother was and called to make sure she wasn’t killed accidentally,” he wrote. “There I was — kidnapped, starved and tortured by her son — while my army was trying to keep his mother alive.”

He said his captors in Gaza celebrated death and destruction on both sides: “For Hamas, destruction itself could be victory. As long as there was death on either side, Hamas could win.”

Shem Tov said that “Israel desperately wanted me home. But not at any price. There were Palestinian civilians between Israel and me. So Israel dropped leaflets, sent messages, made phone calls and ordered evacuations. It tried to minimize NAZA, or collateral damage.”

. . The freed hostage suggested that Israel “paid a price” for its efforts to reduce civilian casualties: “They gave Hamas time. They exposed Israeli soldiers to greater danger. And they left hostages like me waiting longer.”

“If Israel had cared less about NAZA, perhaps I would have come home sooner,” he added. “Fewer Israeli soldiers might have died. Fewer hostages might have died. But more Palestinians would have.”

Shem Tov wrote that he is troubled by reports about the documentary film, which he notes that he also hasn’t seen in full.

“In Venice, the film received a standing ovation that lasted more than 24 minutes,” he said. “As a former hostage, those minutes felt like a shower of knives. Not because the film shows Palestinian suffering, which is real and deserves to be seen. What hurts is that the film, as it has been reported, doesn’t seem to see me.”

The former captive said that to the filmmakers, “perhaps I am NAZA too. Collateral damage. A Jewish hostage who could have been left to rot in a Hamas tunnel, or murdered alongside my friends at Nova, because fighting to free me, and to protect Israelis from the people who did this, is itself treated as morally suspect.”

The lengths that Israel went to to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties—the dropping of leaflets, the phone calls to civilians in buildings scheduled for bombing, the “knock on the door”—an innocuous bomb dropped whose noise would alert people to evacuate—and the announcement of “safe areas” for evacuation—all this has been announced publicly and not contested, even by the New York Times. And it gives the lie to the idea that the IDF wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible. If they really wanted to perpetrate a genocide, why the delivery of food and polio vaccine to Gaza? Why these warnings? Why no bombing of the West Bank? What army engaged in a war has ever taken these precautions? And now this film, which apparently stimulates huge approbation by Israel- and Jew-haters everywhere.

I never even thought much about anti-semitism before October 7 three years ago, but now that it’s apparently stimulated a huge outpouring of belief in Big Lies, like the Genocide Myth, I have no choice but to conclude that antisemitism is ubiquitous, and simply was repressed until the Hamas attack gave it an excuse to emerge.

No, it’s not all about Netanyahu (Israel will be hated no matter who becomes Prime Minister), and no, it’s not all about Zionism (“Zionist” has become a euphemism for “Jew”). It’s about hatred of Jews, pure and simple. As I’m a nonbelieving Jew and never banged on about antisemitism before October 7, I am confident in these conclusions. You will never find a purveyor of the Genocide Lie who will admit that they’re wrong, but the evidence shows they are wrong. And the makers of NAZA, and those who so fervently applaud that film, also perpetuate the Big Lie.  As does the British Government with its chowderheaded boycott of Jewish products in false hopes that it will bring about the impossible: a “two-state solution.” I agree with Bill Maher that those who spread the Genocide Lie are at the same time spreading antisemitism.

There are but 16 million Jews in the world, with about half of them in Israel, yet that tiny country, the only democracy in the Middle East, and a the only place where women, gays, and ethnic minorities have equal rights, seems to be the focus of the world’s damnation.  The explanation is clear.

Friday: Hili dialogue

September 25, 2026 • 6:45 am

Welcome to Friday, September 25, 2026, National One-Hit Wonder Day.  I can name many of these: “Louie Louie” by the Kingsmen,  “Brand New Key,” by Melanie, and “Teen Angel” by Mark Dinning (below). Wikipedia has a list of dozens of American one-hit wonders.  If you remember this, you’re old:

It’s also German Butterbrot Day, Love Note Day, National Bakery Day, National Cooking Day, National Crab Meat Newburg Day, National Lobster Day, National Quesadilla Day, and Save the Koala Day.

Readers are welcome to mark notable events, births, or deaths on this day by consulting the September 26 Wikipedia page.

My eye is still wonky and it’s hard to function, so bear with me if posting is lighter for a while.

Da Nooz:

*A federal judge prevented Trump from banning CNN, Politico, and MS NOW from the White House press pool because they purveyed “fake news” (i.e., Trump didn’t like the way they covered him). Nevertheless, Trump defied the judge’s order at first, but was forced to obey it.

A federal judge ordered President Trump to temporarily lift a ban on White House access for CNN, MS NOW and Politico journalists, but the news organizations said some of their reporters were still denied entry hours after the ruling.

In a ruling early Thursday, Judge Timothy Kelly in Washington, D.C., said the removal of reporters’ press badges was likely done without “constitutionally adequate due process.”

Kelly, a Trump appointee, said that the president and other officials had offered “little to back up their asserted national security interest” for instituting the ban, and that Trump had instead focused on “the alleged lack of truthfulness and negativity” of the outlets’ reporting.

The temporary restraining order will be in place for 14 days while Kelly considers whether to extend it for the duration of the litigation, marking an early win for the news outlets in their latest clash with the Trump administration.

Media access for some reporters wasn’t immediately restored, however. Journalists from CNN, MS NOW and Politico were turned away when they tried to enter the White House early Thursday morning. Attorneys for the outlets told Kelly the administration was violating his overnight order and asked him to call an emergency hearing. The judge ordered the administration to reply by 12:30 p.m.

The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Bracing for a loss, Trump earlier in the week signaled he would appeal any order to reinstate the reporters’ credentials, although he said he “probably” would comply with the ruling.

Trump announced the ban in a social-media post Friday, citing what he described as unfair coverage of his administration, and said he would consider banning other outlets in the future. He didn’t point to a specific story for the decision at the time, saying it was “really just cumulative stories over the last two years” that he was “sick of.”

Note, though, that the NYT reports that Trump finally gave in, deciding to grant access to the three organizations yesterday afternoon.

*Over at the Free Press, Maya Sulkin reports that NYT shareholders have sued the paper for biased, antisemitic coverage.

Shareholders of The New York Times filed a lawsuit against the paper’s parent company on Wednesday morning, arguing the paper has failed to meet its obligation: to tell readers the truth and correct itself in a timely fashion when it doesn’t.

The suit, filed by the State Board of Administration of Florida (SBA) and the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) in New York County Supreme Court, asks a judge to force the Times board of directors to hand over internal records the company has refused to produce for four months, the majority of which pertain to the paper’s coverage of the Israel-Hamas war.

The suit includes the testimony from a whistleblower, a former Times employee who is Jewish and spent nearly a decade on the paper’s video desk. According to the suit, the whistleblower raised concerns about antisemitism and anti-Israel bias on her desk at least 15 separate times between 2019 and her March 2026 departure, using every channel the company makes available to employees, including her managers, the standards desk, and human resources.

In an exclusive interview with The Free Press, the whistleblower said, “The public deserves a better picture of how the Times manufactures the news when Jews or Israel are involved.” She asked to remain anonymous over concern for her family’s safety. She is not named in the suit.

The whistleblower noted in the suit that in the immediate aftermath of Hamas’s October 7, 2023, attack on Israel, staffers on the video desk spent weeks searching for evidence that Hamas did not use the tunnels beneath al-Shifa Hospital, even after the Israeli military released its own footage of the tunnels in November 2023. At the desk’s November 20, 2023, morning meeting, the whistleblower’s supervisor referred to them as “alleged tunnels,” the suit says.

“Alleged tunnels”. I’d laugh if that wasn’t so grotesquely stupid.  A few examples of the Times’s bias; you’ve already read of one:

In one of several meetings with Times management, the whistleblower spoke to human resources representative Chante Williams about the broader culture of anti-Israel bias on the video desk, to which Williams told her, “If you don’t like our values here, maybe you should go find a place whose values align with yours,” according to the suit.

I suppose the paper should give all potential employees a list: “These are our values that you’re expected to share.” More:

Since October 7, the Times has been plagued by allegations of anti-Israel bias in its coverage. Last week alone, the Times published three significant errors in its coverage of the region.

In a September 15 article, the Times referred to Sharif Labad, who was killed in a drone strike, as “a Civil Defense rescue service worker,” and made no mention of the fact that the Israel Defense Forces identified Labad as one of the members of the Hamas Nukhba force who invaded Israel on October 7. The story has not been updated.

The same day, an article on the Donald Trump administration’s decision to supply bombs to Israel ran with a photo caption misstating the weapons’ size as 40,000 pounds. The bombs actually weigh 2,000 pounds—a twentyfold overstatement.

The Times was also forced to issue an editors’ note on a story about NAZA, a documentary about Gaza, after the original piece stated that Israelis “still largely view themselves as the victims of Oct. 7.” The paper called that line an “editing error” that had “inadvertently suggested” the deaths of 1,200 people and the taking of 250 hostages were a matter of perception rather than fact.

So it goes. We know this much, but I wonder if the lawsuit will move forward.

*Stanford University admitted that it used AI to change both the ethnicity and appearance of students in an attempt to make its student body look more “equitable”. (h/t Callum)

Stanford University acknowledged this week that it used artificial intelligence to alter a promotional photo, swapping out a Latino student for an AI-generated Black woman and slimming down two of his classmates — the latest episode to raise questions about how universities market diversity, and one that lands amid mounting federal scrutiny of Stanford’s own record on race.

The doctored image was first flagged by the Stanford Review, an independent student publication, which published side-by-side comparisons showing Billy Ramirez and two classmates in a 2024 photo. When the image resurfaced on banners around campus this month, Mr. Ramirez had vanished, replaced by a woman of a different race and gender, while the two students beside him appeared visibly thinner than in the original shot.

Mr. Ramirez told the student paper the experience left him feeling silenced and erased from a representation that was supposed to include him.

Not only were Ramirez’s race and gender changed, but the two students to Ramirez’s right were distorted, making them appear visibly thinner.

While this incident is humorous and generated thousands of reactions on Fizz, it offers an unsurprising insight into Stanford’s and its bureaucracy’s persisting ideological and racial preferences.

While Stanford R&DE likely believed they were subtle enough for no one to notice, fortunately, our vigilant Stanford student body cannot be fooled. The Review will continue to monitor future advertising and actions from Stanford R&DE as they learn how to use generative AI.

Here’s the Stanford Review photo showing the original  (left) and AI-doctored representations (right)

The NYT note that this was their most shared article yesterday (what do you suppose that means?) and adds this:

Stanford acknowledged in a statement on Tuesday that it had used artificial intelligence to change the original image.

“Stanford’s A.I. policy is clear: The use of A.I. in producing or altering images of Stanford people, events, research, facilities or achievements is strictly prohibited,” the university said. “Both the alteration and lack of disclosure in this case violate that policy. We are working with Residential and Dining Enterprises to provide additional training and ensure proper review of all materials.”

Stanford removed the banners.

*And in more news about duplicity, I got this tweet from Luana (you’ll remember Rachel Dolezal as the white woman in Seatlle who claimed she was black, and got away with it for a while). When it came out that Dolezal was white, all hell broke loose, for you can identify as a woman if you’re a man, but under no circumstances are you to identify as black when you’re white. Read about the Rebecca Tuvel controversy.

From the NY Post:

A woke anti-Israel teacher and activist who claimed to be part black and Arab has been dubbed the “Palestinian Rachel Dolezal” after she was outed as being a white, Jewish woman who hid her privileged identity as she led antisemitic protests.

Hannah Gann, a Philadelphia teacher, was forced to confess she was a “white woman of significant privilege and wealth” after fellow lefty activists grew suspicious of her background and confronted her.

“I lied about my identity and have been lying for years. I have no Palestinian or Tunisian heritage,” she wrote in a self-aggrandizing apology on Instagram.

“I am a white woman of significant privilege and wealth. Anyone who supported me was manipulated and should not be judged as a result of their support for me,” she continued.

A staunch figure in far-left activist circles in Philly, Gann portrayed herself as a mixed-race woman with black and Palestinian heritage. In reality, she is white and Israeli, according to friends.

What can you say except she was a liar. And yet she may have been an even more powerful exponent of Palestine had she done it as a white Jewish woman, speaking “against the grain.” Now she has no credibility at all.

*Being depressed, I am in need of heartening news, and here’s just the ticket from The Washington Post (article archived here):

A recent quiet morning at a Florida marine research facility was interrupted by tapping at the back door.

A biologist walked over to investigate and found a brown pelican standing on the stoop and pecking at the glass with its long beak. It stood there patiently, as if waiting for help. A quick inspection revealed the pelican was injured.

Fishing line was wrapped around the pelican’s right wing, and a double-barbed treble hook was stuck in the wing, restricting the bird’s ability to fly. About a dozen cactus spines were lodged in its left foot.

When Annsli Hilton, a University of Miami research associate who works at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) research facility, heard the commotion, she figured someone had brought in the injured bird. She was shocked to hear the pelican came on its own to the lab in Panama City.

“I always kind of thought in my head — and liked to think that — animals would know to either come to me for help or to come to the lab for help,” Hilton said. “… But I never thought it would happen.”

Hilton said the pelican might have walked about a quarter-mile from a basin on St. Andrew Bay — where pelicans are common — to the NOAA laboratory.

Scientists at the facility study fish and sharks, but they quickly helped the pelican after discovering it on Sept. 8. One biologist picked up the pelican by its abdomen and held its beak, so researchers could treat it without hurting the bird or getting bitten themselves.

While another biologist held the pelican’s right wing, Hilton cut the roughly 6-foot-long fishing line with scissors. Her co-worker then snapped the fish hook with wire cutters. The hook’s small barb was still lodged in the pelican’s bone; Hilton carefully removed it with forceps.

She also removed the cactus spines, which she said the pelican probably picked up from cacti near the facility.

Hilton, 26, said she had never treated a pelican before but relied on techniques she uses while inserting tags into smalltooth sawfish, the fish she primarily studies. The pelican was calm throughout the procedure, which Hilton said took about five minutes but felt like an hour because of the unusual nature of the situation.

Her co-worker then carried the pelican to the basin, where the bird stretched and flapped its wings for a few minutes before flying away.

Here’s a news video, along with two other animal-rescue segments as lagniappe. I always wonder how animals know where to go to get help, or is that just an accident?

Meanwhile in Dobrzyn, Hili is her usual worried self:

Hili: I’m worried about the fate of the world.
Andrzej: Oh, that’ll keep you busy all day.

In Polish:

Hili: Martwię się o losy świata.
Ja: O, to masz zajęcie na cały dzień.

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*An article in the Free Press by Masih (if you subscribe you can read it here).

From Luana; an old song with new lyrics:

Larry shows a freaky bit of video:

From Malcolm, a beautiful fountain:

Two from my feed. First, raccoons playing dead:

And ideologically revised theology:

And one I reposted from The Auschwitz Memorial:

A McCartney song sung by Mary Hopkin (Macca’s demo here):