A book review claims that there is no conflict between science and religion, but for dumb reasons

August 9, 2015 • 12:45 pm

I’m not going to dissect every critical review of Faith versus Fact, for that way lies madness. But I will address a few critical reviews when they make points worth discussing. This one, in fact, says very little about my book, which I consider a bonus.

The review, “Two-way monologue: How to get past science vs. religion” is actually a joint review of FvF and The Territories of Science and Reigion by Peter Harrison. It appeared in the Los Angeles Times, and was written by Colin Dickey.  I think Dickey’s claims of why science and religion are truly compatible are misguided, and steeped in postmodern dislike of objective truth.

First, the piece isn’t really a critical review of FvF—more like a lukewarm one, for he spends only a few paragraphs on my book (thank G*d), before devoting the rest of his review to Harrison’s thesis. Dickey notes that he understands why, as an evolutionist, I might be peeved about the conflict between my career and creationism, but adds that debates between science and religion are futile:

One always feels a bit for scientists like Coyne, who have no doubt spent much of their professional careers dealing with people who irrationally discount their ideas and their work. Arguments over the age of the Earth or the origin of the species are exhausting even to the most casual observer; one can only imagine how dispiriting they are to one who’s made evolutionary biology her or his life’s work. But the problem with all of these arguments is the belief that the debate between science and religion is a thing one can “win,” as though there were some central set of propositions and axioms that all parties could agree to, a basis for some kind of lucid exchange and final judgment everyone would accept. If there is one belief one can empirically demonstrate to be wrong, it’s that these debates are anything but circular and fruitless.

This betrays a profound misunderstanding of my thesis, and of the debate in general. Of course we don’t expect religionists to roll over and admit defeat! That’s not the way such issues are settled.

First note that my thesis, which is similar to that of many other New Atheists, is that science tells us verifiable facts about the cosmos, and has led to ever-increasing understanding of that cosmos, while religion, which also makes empirical claims, has no way of deciding whether its own claims are “true”, even in the provisional sense that science uses that word. That’s why I called my book Faith Versus Fact. 

So yes, the debate can be “won”, not when religionists admit that their beliefs are unsupported and untestable, but when religion passes away from the world, as it is doing now. The fight will be long, and we won’t be alive to see the victory of secularism—make no mistake, a reliance on reason and observation will ultimately defeat superstition—but win we will. Already many people have given up their faith because they see no evidence for its claims, or they see the conflicts between incompatible claims of different religions. Already we know that these debates are NOT “anything but circular and fruitless.” It’s a debate between how to adjudicate truth claims: by faith or by rationality, and how can such a discussion be fruitless? And if it is fruitless, at least for the nonce, it’s because religionists stubbornly cling to their irrational blanket of superstition.

But Dickey (and apparently Harrison, whose book I’ve not read), see the debate as irresolvable for other reasons as well:

a. Science and religion both rely on teleological narratives, so they have “common ground”. Dickey says this:

Which is not to say. . . that there wasn’t still common ground between the two. Among the many similarities that persist between the two entities is their fondness for teleological narratives. Both science and religion can tend toward descriptions of history that focus on an inexorable progression toward some kind of end. Just as Christianity has long focused on the Second Coming and the End of Days, science has at times adopted a Whiggish sense of itself, shaped by the belief that it is constantly progressing forward. These strains have always been a part of the Western intellectual tradition, but natural philosophy and natural history once permitted alternative conceptions of time, self, and thought. In the reorganization of knowledge in the 19th century, these alternatives were downplayed, delegitimized, and, for the most part, forgotten.

This is ludicrous. First of all, while the tenets of religion sometimes involve teleological processes, the understanding of the divine, as I’ve long maintained, has not progressed at all. We know no more about whether there is a God, much less the number of gods or their nature, than did the ancient Greeks. New religions have cropped up and lie beside old ones. There has been no progress here.

In contrast, science’s teleological path (not narrative) has led to increasing improvement in understanding the universe—unless, perhaps, you’re someone like Dickey who can’t bring himself to admit it. Yes, there have been periods of stasis, and some blind alleys, but the claim that science really has led to greater understanding of the cosmos needs no defense. In truth, only an idiot or a postmodernist could deny such a claim. Just look at how much more we know about human heredity, or about how the Universe began and is organized, than did the authors of the New Testament.

b. Science merges with religion because they both use “apocalyptic terminologies.” This is a truly bizarre argument—a claim of those who are desperately groping to find commonalities between disparate fields. Why not say that science and sports are harmonious because sportswriters use apocalyptic terminologies when referring to the fates of teams? While making this specious argument, Dickey manages to get in a lick against global warming:

The discourse of popular science journalism has become thoroughly imbricated with the religious rhetoric, where global warming is described in explicitly “apocalyptic” terminology: in a recent piece for Reuters, to take one such example, David Auerbach predicted that “[a] child born today may live to see humanity’s end.”

This tendency to appropriate biblical rhetoric for questions of science and policy only reinforces the blurring that has taken place between the supposedly diametrically opposed poles of science and religion. “Such popular accounts of science not only assume the social functions of myth with their attendant moral imperatives,” Harrison writes, “but some also propound their own ersatz eschatologies.” One need not be a climate denier to recognize that the rhetorical moves of many scientists today are the result not of science’s incompatibility with religion, but its long dependence on it.

That’s garbage. To claim that “seeing humanity’s end” not only appropriates Biblical rhetoric (a stretch at the least), but shows the dependence of science on religion, shows how desperate this kind of accommodationism has become. Such rhetoric is not, as Dickey claims, the norm.  His claim needs no further refutation.

c. Science isn’t really about truth anyway. Dickey makes a two-part argument here. First, he argues that much of what people see as “science” is really technology, which doesn’t really have much to do with science anyway.  I’ll let readers deal with this fatuous claim (remember, Dickey goes along with Harrison’s claims right down the line):

Harrison’s way out of the dilemma is to first recognize that “science” and “religion” are only tentative shorthand for a disparate collection of various competing ideas and methodologies. “Science,” for example, has become synonymous (or at least closely allied) with “technology,” even though the two often have very little in common. Much of what goes on in the “tech sector” these days is based entirely on semiotics; coding, after all, has nothing to do with applied sciences and has everything to do with linguistics and logic. And yet “technology” becomes the means to justify science to the public: “Science is true, we are repeatedly told, because it works,” Harrison writes.

Well, medicine, which is science-based technology, can serve as an example of the palpable value of science. Does Dickey really think medical technology (or our ability to fly space probes past Pluto) “is based entirely on semiotics”? Again we see the desperation of accommodationists, and what kinds of arguments they emit in their death throes.

Second, Dickey makes a claim I deal with in FvF: that science really doesn’t find much truth anyway, because it’s so often been wrong. Here’s Dickey agreeing with Harrison:

And yet “technology” becomes the means to justify science to the public: “Science is true, we are repeatedly told, because it works,” Harrison writes.

There is, of course, a subtle slight-of-hand [sic] involved in this line of justification, and one that becomes apparent as soon as we consider how many scientific theories and models that have yielded true predictions, practical outcomes, or useful technologies have nonetheless been superseded […] The history of science is a graveyard of theories that “worked” but have since been replaced.

It is appalling to see an educated person make the argument that science doesn’t “work”. For even when science-based technology “works,” that shows that science has produced approxmately correct explanations of the world. And much science that “works,” in terms of making verifiable predictions, worked long before it was incorporated into technology. Such advances include quantum mechanics, the identification of DNA as the genetic material, and our discovery of the Big Bang.

OF COURSE science has been incomplete or wrong, yet nobody but a chowderhead would claim that it hasn’t led to progressively greater understanding of the universe, and better ability to deal with our problems. We’ve eliminated smallpox and have almost done the same for polio. We know how to produce clean water supplies for big cities. We have airplanes to get to distant lands. In what ways has religion “worked” to uniquely impart to us one solid truth about the universe? And by that I mean one idea (for religion produces no truths) that hasn’t been suggested as well by secular humanists.

d. The supposed conflict between science and faith isn’t mostly about truth, but about morality and values. Dickey:

And the struggles between science and religion are rarely about “truth,” anyway. “While the ostensible focus in high profile science-religion disputes is factual claims about the natural world,” Harrison notes, “such debates are often proxies for more deep-seated ideological, or, in its broadest sense, ‘theological’ battles.” The real questions up for debate have to do with politics and policy, with Darwin and the Bible only standing in for different views on governance, family, and education. “For their part, what religiously motivated antievolutionists fear is not the ‘science’ as such,” Harrison argues, “but the secularist package of values concealed in what they perceive to be the Trojan horse of evolutionary theory.” No one involved truly cares about what happened in the past, whether that past was 6,000 years ago or 4 billion years ago; what they care about is who gets final say over their own lives, and their children’s lives. “Perhaps these skirmishes should be thought less in terms of conflict between science and religion, and more as theological controversies waged by means of science.”

My response is short: people wouldn’t have these conflicts, even about values, if they didn’t accept the epistemic claims of religions in the first place. If you don’t think that morality comes from God, because you don’t believe in a God based on lack of evidence, then such battles simply can’t occur. Further, many creationists are indeed interested in the truth of the Bible, for if they see that evolution’s tale is true, the whole provenance of Scripture comes into question.

e. Finally, we’re using science wrong. We shouldn’t appreciate it for telling us true and marvelous things about the universe, but use it as a vehicle for our self-understanding and betterment. Dickey seems to conceive of science as a self-help program, much as Deepak Chopra does. Have a gander at this:

Outside of the realm of policy, though, what is available to the rest of us is a return to natural philosophy, a habitus that involves using the study of nature as a means to personal understanding and betterment. Such study not only brings back the element of personal introspection and refinement into discussions of the natural world, but it also rejects the teleological aspect of modern science. It is less concerned with the steady march of progress toward some final state of knowledge, and more concerned with an inner progress in which one recognizes both the scope and majesty of the natural world, as well as one’s specific place within it.

. . . Scientists — those who have devoted their life to the study of the physical and biological world — can be forgiven for thinking they are assuaging, multiplying, and extending. But the rest of us might be better served to use their discoveries not to one-up the believers in our midst, but to enrich our own personal habits of mind.

Excuse me, but I prefer my science straight rather than on the rocks, for “natural philosophy” dilutes science by appropriating it as a vehicle for metaphysical or philosophical speculation, as it did in the days when it was engaged in using nature to buttress the existence of God. Yes, we can use science to appreciate ourselves as evolved and material beings, but we can also appreciate how all elements came from stars, and that frogs are related to sparrows, and a whole panoply of wonders that doesn’t lead at all to “personal understanding and betterment”.

What solipsism and misunderstanding of science permeate Dickey’s review! If these arguments are the best these men can muster to show that science and religion are compatible, I can suspect only that they lack intellectual rigor or that there’s something else motivating their pathetically weak arguments. For any thinking person knows that there is true incompatibility in the ways that science and religion perceive truth (and yes, Dickey admits they’re both in the truth business) and in the “truths” that each discipline produces.

Postmodernism poisons everything.

Faith vs Fact: four new photos for the contest

August 9, 2015 • 10:45 am
Don’t forget the “selfie with Faith versus Fact” contest, which I announced earlier and gave the rules and prize, which I’ll reprise:

Send a photo of yourself (or a member of your family) holding Faith versus Fact in the most incongruous place or situation you can think of. Be creative. 

I’ll give people a whole month to think of cool photos. Deadline: August 20, 2015; one entry per person. NO PHOTOSHOPPING. If you have the book on Kindle, you can still find a way.

The winner will get a hardback of the book (first edition, first printing) autographed by me, made out to whomever you want, and with a cat of your choice drawn in it. Of course you’ll already have procured a copy of the book to take the photo, so if you wish I’ll substitute a paperback copy of WEIT (I have no more hardbacks).

We now have four more entries to the contest. The first is from reader Randy Schenck:

Did not want to stand in front of a church, although there are plenty of them around. Instead we’ll do something different and get a field of the green stuff to show what sunshine, water and science can accomplish with no help from any invisible sources. As we read about the incompatibility between religion and science there may be one thing in common with faith and the hybrid crop in the background. They are both the result of human action.

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Reader Leon Krier had a clever idea:

The caption for this photo is: “B.B.Q. Publishing Hut announces the 2016 release of the controversial photo illustrated book … “F v F.” 
I had fun… hope it’s fun for you and others.

Photo ContestReader Elise Donovan sent three pictures. Only one, the first below, is an official entry, but I’ll show one more for grins. Her notes:

As I have now moved to Oklahoma City for my second post-doc I thought the ten commandments monument at the Oklahoma State Capitol building fit the bill for this.  It was a bit hard to get myself with the book open and the full “ten commandments” heading into the picture (taking it of myself so not much room to work with) so I have one holding the book, one reading the book, and then one of the back side of the monument as the top of it looks like a butt!

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The butt!:

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Curiously, just as I was writing this, reader Ken Eliott sent a photo taken in front of the very same monument!

I apologize for the lack of quality of this photo. I hope it’s subject matter makes up for it. I was alone, it’s almost high noon, and I do not own a selfie stick, nor do I own a print copy of “Faith vs Fact”. But, here I am in front of the infamous Ten Commandments monument on the north side of the Oklahoma State Capitol building holding my iPad while it displays the audible version of your magnificent book. Despite the State Supreme Court ruling to have it removed it still stands, and if I were to guess, it will be standing for quite some time.

I have the audible version so that I can listen to it while spending time in my car. It’s the most truly productive part of my day.

Okla

Remember, there’s lots of time to submit entries: as noted in the original post, the deadline is August 20, and the rules are at the link.

Frogs use highly venomous head spines as weapons against predators

August 9, 2015 • 9:30 am

Well, my headline might be a bit misleading, as we’re not sure whether the unusual spines of these frogs are used as (or evolved to be) deterrents to predators, but it’s highly likely. A researcher who grabbed one of the frogs I’m about to describe reports this sensation:

One of us (C.J.) was injured on the hand by the spines of C. greeningi while collecting frogs, causing intense pain radiating up the arm, lasting about 5 hr.

But I’m getting ahead of myself. What I’m reporting here is the appearance of something hitherto unknown: venomous amphibians. While toxic or poisonous frogs are well known (the most famous examples being the aposematically colored poison arrow frogs of Central and South America; see below), the biological definition of a “venomous” animal is one that is not only poisonous, but has a special delivery system to get the poison into either the predator (saving the animal’s life) or prey (killing for noms).

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A toxic but not venomous frog: Dendrobates tinctorius, the blue poison dart frog. It has “warning coloration” and toxic skin secretions. Photo: George Graff, National Aquarium (http://www.aqua.org/explore/animals/blue-poison-dart-frog)

Frogs like the beautiful one shown above are considered toxic but not venomous, as the toxin is spread over the skin, and thus the animal lacks a “delivery system.” (One might quibble here and say that the skin is the delivery system, but I won’t pursue that issue.)

But now two species of truly venomous frogs have been discovered, both described in a paper by Carlos Jared et al. in the latest issue of Current Biology (reference below; apparently a free download). The species, Corythomantis greeningi and Aparasphenodon brunoi, collected in Brazil, have bony spines on the skull that protrude through the skin, and are surrounded by head glands that secrete a very powerful toxin. Since these frogs wouldn’t need such an adaptation to catch prey, this almost certainly evolved to deter predators. The salient results:

  • The frogs have bony spines on their heads that protrude through the skin. These spines certainly get coated with the toxin secreted by glands on the head, injecting the poison when the head contacts a predator.
  • The poison in these frogs, while not chemically identified, appears to be one that degrades proteins, and is extremely toxic. In A. brunois it’s 25 times more toxic than the venom of the neotropical pit viper Bothrops, a very dangerous snake; and in C. greeningi it’s twice as toxic as Bothrops venom. This was determined by injecting the toxin into mice, an experiment that I consider ethically dubious but obviously necessary to test the hypothesis. (Seriously, how many mice need to die in terrible agony to satisfy the curiosity of the researchers?) The LD50 of A. brunois venom, for instance, is only about 3-4 micrograms (millionths of a gram) when injected into a mouse.

Here are photos of the two frogs and the spines on their heads, with captions from the Current Biology article:

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Figure 1. Head Spines of Aparasphenodon brunoi and Corythomantis greeningi (A and B) Adult frogs A. brunoi (A) and C. greeningi (B). (C and D) Co-ossified skulls of A. brunoi (C) and C. greeningi (D); arrowheads point to occipital region. (E and F) Higher magnification of the rostral margin of the skull of A. brunoi (E) and C. greeningi (F).
  • The frogs also have a special behavior that facilitates delivery of the toxin to the predator. As the paper notes, “These frogs have an unusual ability to flex the head laterally and vertically, as compared to most other frogs, thereby facilitating contact between the spines in the rostral and posterior margin of the head and the hand grasping the frog. One of us (C.J.) was injured on the hand by the spines of C. greeningi while collecting frogs, causing intense pain radiating up the arm, lasting about 5 hr. This action should be even more effective on the mouth lining of an attacking predator.”

Here’s a scanning electron microscope picture of the head spines and surrounding glands:

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(B–E) Scanning electron microscopy (SEM) of the rostral area and skin glands of A. brunoi (B and C) and C. greeningi (D and E). Spines (*) penetrate the skin through regions with a high number of granular gland pores (arrows) on the skin surface. (D) Tangential and superficial section through the dorso-lateral region of the head, near the upper jaw, showing spines (*) surrounded by granular glands (g). (E) Higher magnification of a region equivalent to (D) showing connective tissue surrounding each gland.

That explains why the venom, which takes a while to kill a mouse when injected into the belly, could work almost instantly when the predator grabs it. Before a fatal bite would be inflicted, the predator would experience serious mouth pain. That would cause predators to learn to avoid these frogs, at least one of which (A. brunoi) appears to have aposematic “warning coloration.” If the toxic frog was always killed by the predator and only subsequently sickened or injured that predator, there would be little advantage for an individual to evolve toxicity, for a toxic frog wouldn’t leave more genes than a nontoxic frog. In such cases, though, the predator could still evolve to avoid the frog, for genes for recognition and avoidance would be advantageous in predators.

The authors conclude, reasonably, that venomous amphibians may be more common than generally thought. Over two years ago (was it really that long?) I reported about a salamander coated with a seemingly toxic slime, and  which also could poke its ribs through its body wall. That might be considered a venomous amphibian in the same way as these frogs, as the ribs could possibly inject a predator with the slime. But Jared et al. note that the toxicity of that slime has not yet been demonstrated. So, for the nonce, we have two pretty solid cases of a venomous amphibian.

h/t: Dom

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Jared, C. et al., 2015. Venomous frogs use heads as weapons. Current Biology, online, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2015.06.061

Readers’ wildlife photos

August 9, 2015 • 7:30 am

Today we have arthropods and mammals, covering many bases of our readers’ interests. The arthropod pictures come from Al Denelsbeck, who shows a more extensive sequence of the molting mantis at his website, Walkabout. His notes:

Attached are five photos: four of a Chinese mantis (Tenodera aridifolia sinensis) and one of an unidentified cicada – I tried to pin down the species but have had no luck yet. These were two of four specimens all molting into adults at about the same time, all within 8 meters of each other. I unfortunately missed the very beginning of all of them. Shooting them took place over four hours this past Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, mostly sprawled on the ground.

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Of special note is the following photo of the mantis, which shows one hind leg flexing creepily while the mantis works it free. Also visible are the empty wing cases, and the tracheoles which arthropods shed with the exoskeleton, something I didn’t know until I read a post on AAAS last year.

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The cicada:

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And one of the world’s weirdest animals from reader Karen Bartelt, a partially aroboreal anteater, which spends about half its time foraging for insects in the treetops. Its tail, as you can guess, is partly prehensile:

In May 2014 I went to the Peruvian Amazon for about a week.  Nonstop wildlife.  Early one morning on Rio Ucayali, we saw this tamandua anteater (Tamandua tetradactyla).  The tan form is pretty common, but even our two local guides had never seen this melanic form.

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For comparison, here’s the normal coloration of the tamandua (photo from Estundando A Biologia):

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Sunday: Hili dialogue

August 9, 2015 • 5:13 am

Sunday’s cat is full of mice and, apparently, is also full of hot air. . . .

A: What are you up to?
Hili: I’m preparing an address about the state of the world.

I look forward to the Princesses’ address! And see how svelte she is?:

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In Polish
Ja: Co ty knujesz?
Hili: Przygotowuję orędzie o stanie świata.

Texas judge orders man who fought with his girlfriend to marry her and write out Bible verses—or face jail

August 8, 2015 • 2:00 pm

I have no idea whether a sentence like this is legal or Constitutionally kosher, although judges seem to have wide latitude in imposing sentences. In places like Texas, the sentences can be bizarre. And in this case, the sentence is doubly ridiculous for it’s an unwarranted violation of both private relationship and the Constitutionally mandated separation of church from state.

What happened, as reported by The Raw Story, is that one Josten Bundy got into a fight with the ex-boyfriend of his current girlfriend.

Bundy was charged with assault.

Judge Randall Rogers, from Smith County, Texas, in the NW part of the state, told Bundy he had two choices: spend 15 days in the slammer or marry his girlfriend within 30 days. Bundy opted for the nuptials, but wasn’t happy about being rushed to the altar. Although he loved his girlfriend, he would have preferred the jail term rather than a shotgun wedding, but for some reason the judge wouldn’t let him tell his employers before incarceration. And so the knot was tied:

“It just felt like we weren’t going to be able to have the wedding we wanted,” she [Elizabeth Jaynes, Bundy’s girlfriend] explained. “It was just going to be kind of pieced together, I didn’t even have a white dress.”

The couple got a marriage license and were married by a justice of the peace, but Bundy was unhappy because the impromptu wedding meant many in is his family couldn’t attend, and Jaynes [sic] father criticized the judge for forcing the wedding on the young couple.

“[I felt] anger; I was mad. [The judge] can’t do this by court ordering somebody to be married,” said Kenneth Jaynes. “I contacted a couple of lawyers but they told me someone was trying to pull my leg…that judges don’t court order somebody to get married.”

Is this illegal? I think so, and so does a local attorney:

According to a local attorney, Rogers’ ruling was illegal.

“To say you’re not going to be criminally punished if you get married is way out of left field,” said attorney Blake Bailey. “It sounds like the old days of shotgun weddings, but not even the judge is capable of enforcing, what he thinks is best for some people in his court.”

Well, it’s too late to contest this ruling, and I wish the couple much happiness, but there’s one part of the story I’ve left out–the part that makes the judge’s ruling even more offensive:

Judge Rogers has refused to speak about the case or to defend some of his sentencing practices which included also demanding that Bundy write out Bible verses as part of his probation.

Now THAT can be contested as a violation of the First Amendment, but I doubt that Bundy will make a stink about it. It just shows the extreme religiosity of Texas, and how that impinges on the judicial system.

Here’s a television report:

 

h/t: Steve

Contest: Guess three candidates

August 8, 2015 • 11:45 am

The prize here is a pretty good one: the audiobook version of Faith vs. Fact, which comprises the entire book, takes up 11 CDs, and is 11.5 hours long. It goes for $22.95 on Amazon, but substantially more at regular retail. (You can hear a sample at the site.) I received more of these than I can use, and so can give one away. I will autograph the box and draw a cat on it, if you so desire.

I’m having this contest now because it’s early on and many things are uncertain—remember the 2008 election? Some surprises are certainly in store. So I have a two-part question, and the winner is the first person who guesses both answers correctly (one entry per person). The contest will remain open for a while—until June 30, 2016, a few weeks before both parties’ conventions.  But since the first correct guesser gets the prize, it’s in your interest to enter early. And I’m curious about the readers’ views.

  1. Name both the Democratic presidential candidate (not a hard one at this point) AND the vice-presidential candidate.
  2. Name the Republican presidential candidate. 

Given that the Republican’s presidential pick is so uncertain, I won’t ask you to name the GOP vice-presidential candidate.

So put your guesses below, and explain them if you wish.

 

GOP God-Off: Candidates vie to express their faith

August 8, 2015 • 10:00 am

I just want to highlight one aspect of the Republican Presidential-candidate debate that I missed—because I missed the whole thing. (Really, they’re such a pack of morons that I have zero interest in hearing them go at each other.) But what is a Republic debate without the candidates trying to out-God each other, proving that their faith is stronger, and their pipeline to Jesus straighter, than anyone else’s?

So here’s the God-Off: Fox News moderator Megyn Kelly submitted to the candidates a question that came from one Chase Norton, who put it on his Facebook page:

“I want to know if any of [the candidates] have received a word from God on what they should do and take care of first.”

To us atheists, we know that such a question will be followed by lots of laughs, but it’s sad for our country that a). such a question would be asked and b). the pervasive religiosity of this question demands answers that pander to the faithful.

I’ve embedded the whole debate, but started it at the point near the debate’s end when the moderator asks the question:

Here’s the summary of Americans United for Separation of Church and State:

Enter U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

“Well, I am blessed to receive a word from God every day in receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures. And God speaks through the Bible,” he announced. [JAC: Note the loud audience applause.]

Cruz never hesitates to brandish his evangelical bona fides, and didn’t deviate from habit last night. He embarked on a lengthy discussion of his father’s conversion to Christianity, and added, “I would also note that the scripture tells us, ‘You shall know them by their fruit.’ We see lots of ‘campaign conservatives.’ But if we’re going to win in 2016, we need a consistent conservative, someone who has been a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, a national security conservative.”

“There are real differences among the candidates on issues like amnesty, like Obamacare, like religious liberty, like life and marriage. And I have been proud to fight and stand for religious liberty, to stand against Planned Parenthood, to defend life for my entire career,” he finished.

Gov. Scott Walker (Wisc.) said, “I’m certainly an imperfect man. And it’s only by the blood of Jesus Christ that I’ve been redeemed from my sins. So I know that God doesn’t call me to do a specific thing, God hasn’t given me a list, a Ten Commandments, if you will, of things to act on the first day.

“What God calls us to do is follow his will. And ultimately that’s what I’m going to try to do,” he added.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida stated that he thinks God “blessed” the U.S.

“This country has been extraordinarily blessed. And we have honored that blessing, and that’s why God has continued to bless us,” he said. “And he has blessed us with young men and women willing to risk their lives and sometimes die in uniform for the safety and security of our people.”

(The families of those young men and women may quarrel with Rubio’s definition of “blessing.”)

Other candidates were slightly more restrained. Ohio’s Gov. John Kasich limited himself to some boilerplate on the importance of family and hard work, and surgeon Ben Carson talked about using faith to bridge racial divides.

The God question came near the end, and time expired before every candidate could weigh in. Business magnate Donald Trump, who leads evangelicals in the polls despite his relative lack of visible religious commitment, didn’t get a chance to answer. In fact, Trump didn’t mention faith at all at any point in the debate.

And that’s the only good thing about Trump.

Can you imagine such a thing taking place in European or Canadian politics?

h/t: Diane G