A new criticism of science as an exclusive “way of knowing”

August 17, 2015 • 11:00 am

UPDATE: I left a comment after Kolossváry’s piece simply saying that I analyzed his argument in this post, and giving the link. That comment has been removed.

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By now I’m well familiar with arguments that science, like religion, is based on faith. That argument is often made by religionists to try to drag down science’s epistemology to the level of religion’s, and it’s bogus. It’s bogus because, as I’ve argued before, “faith” in science really means “confidence based on experience”—which is not at all the same thing as religion’s “faith” as “belief without evidence.”

Now, however, a religious blogger at Patheos—a guest poster on The Evangelical Pulpit site—has taken the reverse tack, claiming that in fact decisions about good art, good music, and good religion can be made scientifically, on a basis identical to that used to adjudicate scientific fact. He is, of course, wrong.

What makes this claim—that objective truth is equivalent to subjective opinion—so weird is that it’s being made by a scientist, István Kolossváry. Here’s how he’s described (complete with the advantages he sees to faith) at the site:

István Kolossváry is a scientist and professor working in the research field of computer simulations of chemical and biological systems. He holds multiple advanced degrees from the Budapest University of Technology and the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. István has been a researcher at various universities and pharmaceutical research labs in Europe and in the United States including Columbia University and most recently a New York based private research organization. He won the 2006 Hungarian Academy of Sciences Book Award in Chemistry for co-authoring Introduction to Computer Aided Drug Design. Over 25 years in his career as a scientist, István has privately grappled with the chasm between science and theology, two disciplines he holds dear. In his debut work The Fabric of Eternity, István shares results from years of scientific inquiry into the works of divine providence and concludes there is solid scientific evidence to suggest that rejecting God and His loving care is against human nature. www.istvankolossvary.com

And here are some arguments from his piece, “Is the scientific method exclusive to science?” It is an attack on some of the arguments in my latest book, Faith Versus Fact: Why Science and Religion are Incompatible. I’ll try not to spend a lot of time on this; I’m bringing it up only because Kolossváry makes claims one doesn’t see very often. Here’s his thesis:

. . . In this blog post I am not going to argue pro or con [whether “science is based on verifiable facts whereas religion is based on unprovable faith”], I simply want to advocate a straightforward generalization of the scientific method and suggest that it can be used beyond the scope of science, including the arts and religion. The way the scientific method works is quite simple, and it has been amazingly successful for the past five hundred years. Observation of natural phenomena and/or pure theoretical thinking (nowadays aided by computer simulation) lead to ideas that will crystallize in a scientific theory.

Jerry Coyne and the new atheists dismiss religion, because religion is based on faith and not fact. Interestingly, the new atheists, or nobody for that matter dismisses the arts, though. So, how is art tested? What works of art are refuted and what works of art are here to stay? I argue that art is tested by the same scientific method—with people replacing the apparatus in the experiment.

So how does this work? It’s by a consensus of subjective opinion!:

Some would say that the most sensitive experimental device is a pencil standing on its tip; the tiniest push would make it tip over. I would argue, however, that the human person is infinitely more sensitive and is an ideal instrument to experimentally verify artwork. Why do we listen to Mozart and not Salieri, what crystallizes the collection of pieces displayed in the great art museums of the world over time, and what works are delegated to the dungeons of underground storage, once acquired by museum curators as prospective works of art? The masterpieces of art are selected by the same scientific method, by how much they touch the souls of people and the selection  process takes a long time, all too often beyond the years of the artist so he or she can enjoy success. The exact same thing in literature, what will determine which novels or poems people read a hundred years after they had been written? Bad literature, bad music, bad paintings are repudiated by the scientific method using people as the experimental apparatus.

Well, there are a lot of people who prefer Hemingway to Fitzgerald, and vice versa, and few people agree with my opinion that Thomas Wolfe was certainly in that 20th century pantheon as well. (In fact, English professors have told me that Wolfe was simply a bad writer, which I contest strongly!). I and some others thought the movie Tree of Life was pompous and execrable, but many critics deemed it a masterpiece. Who is right? How can we tell?

In truth, there is no consensus of opinion about art nearly as solid as the consensus that a normal water molecule has two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atoms, or that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. And how do you objectively resolve the question of whether Andy Warhol’s paintings were masterpieces, or that Andres Serrano’s “Piss Christ” was also one? Public opinion on many of these issues vacillates (remember that many of Sinclair Lewis’s novels were once seen as masterpieces, but many find them hackneyed today, though he won a Nobel Prize for Literature). In contrast, many scientific “facts” are unlikely to change: they are as close to absolute truths as we can get. And when scientific consensus does change, it’s not just a shift in opinion, but a shift in opinion that reflects new data, as when we learned, from various methods, that the continents were actually drifting after all. What new data has led to Thomas Wolfe falling out of favor?

Now it is true—even likely—that some things appeal to people aesthetically because they evoke a neuronal reaction based on culture or evolution. E. O. Wilson, for example, has suggested that we prefer grassy landscapes with trees (and a view from a hill) because that was the landscape on which we evolved in Africa (and being on a hill has adaptive advantages). But does this mean that someone who prefers a desert landscape is wrong? We may find that preference for one type of painting versus another, say Rembrandt versus Jackson Pollock, rests on consistent ways the human brain is organized.

This may explain a consensus of opinion about art, but does it make Rembrandt objectively better than Pollock? What about the person who prefers Pollock? Can you say she’s just wrong? Surely not in the sense that the person who says that the Earth is 10,000 years old is wrong! And that is Kolossváry’s error. While subjective opinion may, at bottom, be grounded on objective facts about the brain, this does not mean that, in the absence of that information, we can accept the vagaries of human opinion about art as “true.” For brains differ, and opinions differ, and we all know that even are evolved preferences don’t make those preferences “right.” We may have evolved to be xenophobic, but in today’s world that doesn’t work so well.

Kolossváry then extends the “truth” argument to politics and religion:

Similar in political systems. The ones that people tolerate stay longer and the ones that oppress people will be thrown over, sooner or later. I believe that the same scientific method can be applied to religion. The new atheists don’t seem to understand the difference between God and religion and between faith and religion. We are talking about religion here, the main branches Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism with all their factions, and hundreds of other religions. Religion is a shared human response to God’s calling and it is a unique and precious human experience.

In this sense politics is like morality, which I believe at bottom rests on subjective preferences for what kind of society you want. If you favor democracy (or utilitarianism) because you think it has certain salutary effects, you can certainly test whether those effects really obtain, at least in principle. But in the end your preference for one political system (e.g., a Republican versus a Democratic administration) is based on preferences that cannot be objectively justified.

Religion is even worse, for one’s “preference” is, by and large, based on where you lived, and who your parents were. Which religion is “right” is an unresolvable question, at least by “scientific” methods, and Kolossváry makes it even worse by asserting, without any “scientific” evidence, that “God’s calling” really exists!

So if Kolossváry really thinks that a choice among religions—which one is better or “truer”—can be made on scientific grounds, let him justify that. For his method for “verifying” religions, which seems to mean which ones are “true” in a scientific sense (remember, he’s claiming here that one can “test” the verify of religions in the same way science tests its propositions) is ludicrous:

Religions are in large part man made, especially in their every day manifestations at temples, churches, mosques, congregations, assemblies, etc., and they change over time. What if not people would be best suited to test them? The scientific method can be applied to religions similar to the arts; the more they touch the human soul and the more they make people agents of good the more they are verified but when they do harm, they are repudiated. It is people who test religion through their ultra sensitive souls far more advanced than any man made instrument. The statement so loudly voiced by the new atheists that religions are irrational, simply does not stand to reason.

Well, if you claim—and this again is based on subjective preferences—that the effects of religion on human behavior should be X and Y, then that can n principle be tested as well. But defining what “agents of good” really do may be very different for a Quaker and for a radical Muslim! Many Muslims feel, for instance, that Islam, as the “final” revelation from God, is the right religion, and so it’s okay to call for the execution of gays and apostates.

Well, religion has been “tested” à la Kolossváry , and here are the results (again largely reflecting not people’s cogitation about different faiths and then choice of the “best” one, but simply the vagaries of history and geography). Religion has never been a matter of voting with your feet, but simply where your feet first touched the ground when you were a child.

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Which religions have been “verified”, and which “repudiated”? I would claim that Islam is, at present, more harmful than Buddhism, but neither has been repudiated. Since there are more Muslims than Buddhists, does that mean Islam is a “better” or “truer” religion?

In truth, Kolossváry doesn’t even seem to know the difference between judging something by its effects and judging something as objectively true. His last sentence, saying that religions can’t be irrational, is confused in just that way: it mistakes the actions motivated by religion with whether their epistemic claims have any basis in reality.

h/t: Jeff G.

A funny email

August 15, 2015 • 1:00 pm

A reader who will remain unnamed sent me an email that made me chuckle:

I’m currently about half way through your Faith vs. Fact and finding it a most pleasurable experience to read something which is at once so authoritative and so totally in accord with everything I already believe about the relationship between science and religion.

All the more disquieting then, to report that my reaction to the very first line of text in Chapter One was a guffaw of disbelief:

‘There are no heated discussions about reconciling sport and religion…’

I’m glad I overcome my initial scorn and persisted with your excellent book, but I do have to ask you a simple question:

‘Have you ever been to Glasgow?’

Ed Suominen reviews FvF

August 12, 2015 • 9:30 am

Ed Suominen was once an adherent to Laestadianism, a hyper-conservative Lutheran sect with some truly bizarre dogma (they think, for instance that only the roughly 60,000 members of that faith will go to heaven, and that everyone else will burn in hell).  But he abandoned that faith after realizing the value of evolutionary biology when it became useful for his computational work (Salon recounts his deconversion story and includes an interview). Ed is the author of An Examination of the Pearl, which describes his abandonment of faith, and is co-author, with Robert Price, of Evolving out of Eden, an engaging examination of Christianity’s unsuccessful attempts to reconcile itself to evolution. Here’s what Ed says about the latter book in the review I’ll mention in a minute:

In the concluding pages of Evolving out of Eden, Dr. Robert M. Price and I reflected on the mindset of the Christian fundamentalist, a place I myself had still been uncomfortably occupying not long earlier. Things get difficult for him, we wrote,

” . . . if he peers outside the safety of church society and “healthy” reading materials to glean some awareness of the many other theological problems lurking in the tall grass of science. He may recognize himself (and Jesus!) as an evolved primate, and Original Sin as an absurd doctrine built on unscientific sand. The very rationale of the atonement collapses, along with all those ‘sins’ his pastor carries on about, which come to look like natural, even healthy traits that allowed his ancestors to replicate and eventually produce him. The God of all Creation he once praised while musing over every tree and sunset goes quiet and cold, fading into an impersonal set of laws and forces that forms life out of randomness shaped by countless acts of suffering and death.

It should be no surprise to see so many Eden dwellers turn away from all this and scurry back to retrenchment and denial, the burden of intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance still lighter than the terrifying alternative. The only other options are to water down one’s faith with accommodationism, which brings its own dishonesty and dissonance, or abandon it altogether. But science has set forth the flaming sword, and the Garden cannot remain occupied for long.”

Now a firm nonbeliever, Suominen wrote me to say that he just reviewed Faith Versus Fact on his website, which bears the overly self-deprecating title of Ed Suominen’s Shitty Little Blog. And he also told me the circumstances of writing the review:

Yours [the review] occupied the better part of two days of writing, plus some enjoyable hours I spent outside reading the book (often somewhere out in those woods with Frisky II [his cat] standing guard nearby), tabbing pages, and making notes.
Based on the photo below, it looks more like “tabby pages”!
Ed’s review, “Faith vs. Fact: Two opposing sides of the Coyne,”  is indeed a long and detailed piece, and I much appreciate it. It’s lavishly illustrated with pictures of Frisky as well. Here’s one that also shows the care with which Ed read the book:
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Now Ed notes that he’s not unbiased, as we’ve met, had friendly chats about religion, atheism, and cats, and he gave me some information about his former faith that I put in the book. I’m adding that information because his review is a long and favorable one: it has, in fact, 29 footnotes! I’ll give just his verdict and two quotes.

Verdict:

See Jerry Coyne’s book page for more information about Faith vs. Fact, a highly recommended read. If you are wrestling with doubts about a religion that you’re not sure is true anymore, and science has any part in that struggle, give yourself a few days with this work. Reality can be difficult, but the pain of trying to deny it when you know better is far worse.

And the quotes:

It’s not just that religions are incompatible with science, Coyne says. Unlike science, whose many different disciplines “share a core methodology based on doubt, replication, reason, and observation,” religion is splintered into countless varieties that are incompatible witheach other. Yet “this incompatibility wasn’t inevitable: if the particulars of belief and dogma were somehow bestowed on humans by a god, there’s no obvious reason why there should be more than one brand of faith.”

This argument resonates with me for a reason Coyne probably never thought of when he made it: patent law. I’ve obtained over a dozen patents, for commercially successful technology. What those pieces of paper give you is the right to exclude others from making and using what you’ve invented, a right that you can then license and sell to others, or exercise yourself to avoid competition during the 20-year patent term. Now, an omnipotent God has the ultimate patent. He could just squash everything but the One True Religion that he supposedly invented, and that would be that. But that doesn’t happen, because there is no such patent holder.

That’s a theological twist I haven’t much pondered: why does God, if he/she really is the god of One True Faith, allow other people to follow so many false gods? Is that some misguided byproduct of having granted us free will? If so, is the virtue of our having free will reason enough to exclude so many people from salvation?

Finally, Ed tells it as it is, and remember that he was a former fundamentalist Christian (his emphasis):

At this point in my review, and in my life, I have the blessed freedom to offer the real answer to that dilemma, for those uncomfortable pew-sitters reading this who are suffering through the churnings of doubt: Revelation without observation is bullshit.

The last section of his review, “Facing Facts,” which deals with faith, ecology, and global warming, is beautifully written, but I’ll let you go see for yourself.

FvF: Behind enemy lines (well, nearly)

August 10, 2015 • 2:30 pm

by Grania

Jerry’s received a couple more entries in the “photograph FvF in an incongruous place” contest, although, strictly speaking, only one of them is allowable under the Terms & Conditions. The non-allowable one is too good not to share, though.

Gregory Kusnick undertook a perilous journey across the road to take this.

Here’s my attempt at a Faith vs. Fact selfie. As I’ve mentioned before, this famous spot is right across the street from my apartment; however it was still a challenge getting there since I broke my foot last month and had to hobble over on crutches.

You may be interested to learn that the building housing DI headquarters is slated for demolition sometime in the next couple of years, to be replaced by a high-rise office tower surpassing the Space Needle in height. Not sure where the DI will go when that happens, but “away” is probably not one of the choices, unfortunately.

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Pliny the in Between, who regularly creates satirical cartoons on a variety of secular and atheist related subjects, and who is no stranger on this site, sent us in this one.

Technically, I don’t think you excluded virtual selfies… (Did too, under “no photoshopping!” ~Grania)

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This week’s book-related interviews

August 9, 2015 • 3:00 pm

I’ll be doing three radio interviews this week (actually four, but one will be broadcast later), and I’ve put the information below if you’re interested in listening. All are streamed lived on the internet.

Monday, August 10, 8-9 a.m. Central (Chicago) time: The Joy Cardin show on Wisconsin Public Radio (listen live at this site; programs archived here).

Tuesday, August 11, 4-6 p.m. Central time: The Milt Rosenberg show on WCGO Chicago. Listen live here and get archived podcasts here.

Wednesday, August 12, 9:35-9:50 p.m. (Note, NOT a.m.!) Central time: The Jordana Green Show, WCCO AM, Minneapolis. Listen live here, podcasts archived here.

A book review claims that there is no conflict between science and religion, but for dumb reasons

August 9, 2015 • 12:45 pm

I’m not going to dissect every critical review of Faith versus Fact, for that way lies madness. But I will address a few critical reviews when they make points worth discussing. This one, in fact, says very little about my book, which I consider a bonus.

The review, “Two-way monologue: How to get past science vs. religion” is actually a joint review of FvF and The Territories of Science and Reigion by Peter Harrison. It appeared in the Los Angeles Times, and was written by Colin Dickey.  I think Dickey’s claims of why science and religion are truly compatible are misguided, and steeped in postmodern dislike of objective truth.

First, the piece isn’t really a critical review of FvF—more like a lukewarm one, for he spends only a few paragraphs on my book (thank G*d), before devoting the rest of his review to Harrison’s thesis. Dickey notes that he understands why, as an evolutionist, I might be peeved about the conflict between my career and creationism, but adds that debates between science and religion are futile:

One always feels a bit for scientists like Coyne, who have no doubt spent much of their professional careers dealing with people who irrationally discount their ideas and their work. Arguments over the age of the Earth or the origin of the species are exhausting even to the most casual observer; one can only imagine how dispiriting they are to one who’s made evolutionary biology her or his life’s work. But the problem with all of these arguments is the belief that the debate between science and religion is a thing one can “win,” as though there were some central set of propositions and axioms that all parties could agree to, a basis for some kind of lucid exchange and final judgment everyone would accept. If there is one belief one can empirically demonstrate to be wrong, it’s that these debates are anything but circular and fruitless.

This betrays a profound misunderstanding of my thesis, and of the debate in general. Of course we don’t expect religionists to roll over and admit defeat! That’s not the way such issues are settled.

First note that my thesis, which is similar to that of many other New Atheists, is that science tells us verifiable facts about the cosmos, and has led to ever-increasing understanding of that cosmos, while religion, which also makes empirical claims, has no way of deciding whether its own claims are “true”, even in the provisional sense that science uses that word. That’s why I called my book Faith Versus Fact. 

So yes, the debate can be “won”, not when religionists admit that their beliefs are unsupported and untestable, but when religion passes away from the world, as it is doing now. The fight will be long, and we won’t be alive to see the victory of secularism—make no mistake, a reliance on reason and observation will ultimately defeat superstition—but win we will. Already many people have given up their faith because they see no evidence for its claims, or they see the conflicts between incompatible claims of different religions. Already we know that these debates are NOT “anything but circular and fruitless.” It’s a debate between how to adjudicate truth claims: by faith or by rationality, and how can such a discussion be fruitless? And if it is fruitless, at least for the nonce, it’s because religionists stubbornly cling to their irrational blanket of superstition.

But Dickey (and apparently Harrison, whose book I’ve not read), see the debate as irresolvable for other reasons as well:

a. Science and religion both rely on teleological narratives, so they have “common ground”. Dickey says this:

Which is not to say. . . that there wasn’t still common ground between the two. Among the many similarities that persist between the two entities is their fondness for teleological narratives. Both science and religion can tend toward descriptions of history that focus on an inexorable progression toward some kind of end. Just as Christianity has long focused on the Second Coming and the End of Days, science has at times adopted a Whiggish sense of itself, shaped by the belief that it is constantly progressing forward. These strains have always been a part of the Western intellectual tradition, but natural philosophy and natural history once permitted alternative conceptions of time, self, and thought. In the reorganization of knowledge in the 19th century, these alternatives were downplayed, delegitimized, and, for the most part, forgotten.

This is ludicrous. First of all, while the tenets of religion sometimes involve teleological processes, the understanding of the divine, as I’ve long maintained, has not progressed at all. We know no more about whether there is a God, much less the number of gods or their nature, than did the ancient Greeks. New religions have cropped up and lie beside old ones. There has been no progress here.

In contrast, science’s teleological path (not narrative) has led to increasing improvement in understanding the universe—unless, perhaps, you’re someone like Dickey who can’t bring himself to admit it. Yes, there have been periods of stasis, and some blind alleys, but the claim that science really has led to greater understanding of the cosmos needs no defense. In truth, only an idiot or a postmodernist could deny such a claim. Just look at how much more we know about human heredity, or about how the Universe began and is organized, than did the authors of the New Testament.

b. Science merges with religion because they both use “apocalyptic terminologies.” This is a truly bizarre argument—a claim of those who are desperately groping to find commonalities between disparate fields. Why not say that science and sports are harmonious because sportswriters use apocalyptic terminologies when referring to the fates of teams? While making this specious argument, Dickey manages to get in a lick against global warming:

The discourse of popular science journalism has become thoroughly imbricated with the religious rhetoric, where global warming is described in explicitly “apocalyptic” terminology: in a recent piece for Reuters, to take one such example, David Auerbach predicted that “[a] child born today may live to see humanity’s end.”

This tendency to appropriate biblical rhetoric for questions of science and policy only reinforces the blurring that has taken place between the supposedly diametrically opposed poles of science and religion. “Such popular accounts of science not only assume the social functions of myth with their attendant moral imperatives,” Harrison writes, “but some also propound their own ersatz eschatologies.” One need not be a climate denier to recognize that the rhetorical moves of many scientists today are the result not of science’s incompatibility with religion, but its long dependence on it.

That’s garbage. To claim that “seeing humanity’s end” not only appropriates Biblical rhetoric (a stretch at the least), but shows the dependence of science on religion, shows how desperate this kind of accommodationism has become. Such rhetoric is not, as Dickey claims, the norm.  His claim needs no further refutation.

c. Science isn’t really about truth anyway. Dickey makes a two-part argument here. First, he argues that much of what people see as “science” is really technology, which doesn’t really have much to do with science anyway.  I’ll let readers deal with this fatuous claim (remember, Dickey goes along with Harrison’s claims right down the line):

Harrison’s way out of the dilemma is to first recognize that “science” and “religion” are only tentative shorthand for a disparate collection of various competing ideas and methodologies. “Science,” for example, has become synonymous (or at least closely allied) with “technology,” even though the two often have very little in common. Much of what goes on in the “tech sector” these days is based entirely on semiotics; coding, after all, has nothing to do with applied sciences and has everything to do with linguistics and logic. And yet “technology” becomes the means to justify science to the public: “Science is true, we are repeatedly told, because it works,” Harrison writes.

Well, medicine, which is science-based technology, can serve as an example of the palpable value of science. Does Dickey really think medical technology (or our ability to fly space probes past Pluto) “is based entirely on semiotics”? Again we see the desperation of accommodationists, and what kinds of arguments they emit in their death throes.

Second, Dickey makes a claim I deal with in FvF: that science really doesn’t find much truth anyway, because it’s so often been wrong. Here’s Dickey agreeing with Harrison:

And yet “technology” becomes the means to justify science to the public: “Science is true, we are repeatedly told, because it works,” Harrison writes.

There is, of course, a subtle slight-of-hand [sic] involved in this line of justification, and one that becomes apparent as soon as we consider how many scientific theories and models that have yielded true predictions, practical outcomes, or useful technologies have nonetheless been superseded […] The history of science is a graveyard of theories that “worked” but have since been replaced.

It is appalling to see an educated person make the argument that science doesn’t “work”. For even when science-based technology “works,” that shows that science has produced approxmately correct explanations of the world. And much science that “works,” in terms of making verifiable predictions, worked long before it was incorporated into technology. Such advances include quantum mechanics, the identification of DNA as the genetic material, and our discovery of the Big Bang.

OF COURSE science has been incomplete or wrong, yet nobody but a chowderhead would claim that it hasn’t led to progressively greater understanding of the universe, and better ability to deal with our problems. We’ve eliminated smallpox and have almost done the same for polio. We know how to produce clean water supplies for big cities. We have airplanes to get to distant lands. In what ways has religion “worked” to uniquely impart to us one solid truth about the universe? And by that I mean one idea (for religion produces no truths) that hasn’t been suggested as well by secular humanists.

d. The supposed conflict between science and faith isn’t mostly about truth, but about morality and values. Dickey:

And the struggles between science and religion are rarely about “truth,” anyway. “While the ostensible focus in high profile science-religion disputes is factual claims about the natural world,” Harrison notes, “such debates are often proxies for more deep-seated ideological, or, in its broadest sense, ‘theological’ battles.” The real questions up for debate have to do with politics and policy, with Darwin and the Bible only standing in for different views on governance, family, and education. “For their part, what religiously motivated antievolutionists fear is not the ‘science’ as such,” Harrison argues, “but the secularist package of values concealed in what they perceive to be the Trojan horse of evolutionary theory.” No one involved truly cares about what happened in the past, whether that past was 6,000 years ago or 4 billion years ago; what they care about is who gets final say over their own lives, and their children’s lives. “Perhaps these skirmishes should be thought less in terms of conflict between science and religion, and more as theological controversies waged by means of science.”

My response is short: people wouldn’t have these conflicts, even about values, if they didn’t accept the epistemic claims of religions in the first place. If you don’t think that morality comes from God, because you don’t believe in a God based on lack of evidence, then such battles simply can’t occur. Further, many creationists are indeed interested in the truth of the Bible, for if they see that evolution’s tale is true, the whole provenance of Scripture comes into question.

e. Finally, we’re using science wrong. We shouldn’t appreciate it for telling us true and marvelous things about the universe, but use it as a vehicle for our self-understanding and betterment. Dickey seems to conceive of science as a self-help program, much as Deepak Chopra does. Have a gander at this:

Outside of the realm of policy, though, what is available to the rest of us is a return to natural philosophy, a habitus that involves using the study of nature as a means to personal understanding and betterment. Such study not only brings back the element of personal introspection and refinement into discussions of the natural world, but it also rejects the teleological aspect of modern science. It is less concerned with the steady march of progress toward some final state of knowledge, and more concerned with an inner progress in which one recognizes both the scope and majesty of the natural world, as well as one’s specific place within it.

. . . Scientists — those who have devoted their life to the study of the physical and biological world — can be forgiven for thinking they are assuaging, multiplying, and extending. But the rest of us might be better served to use their discoveries not to one-up the believers in our midst, but to enrich our own personal habits of mind.

Excuse me, but I prefer my science straight rather than on the rocks, for “natural philosophy” dilutes science by appropriating it as a vehicle for metaphysical or philosophical speculation, as it did in the days when it was engaged in using nature to buttress the existence of God. Yes, we can use science to appreciate ourselves as evolved and material beings, but we can also appreciate how all elements came from stars, and that frogs are related to sparrows, and a whole panoply of wonders that doesn’t lead at all to “personal understanding and betterment”.

What solipsism and misunderstanding of science permeate Dickey’s review! If these arguments are the best these men can muster to show that science and religion are compatible, I can suspect only that they lack intellectual rigor or that there’s something else motivating their pathetically weak arguments. For any thinking person knows that there is true incompatibility in the ways that science and religion perceive truth (and yes, Dickey admits they’re both in the truth business) and in the “truths” that each discipline produces.

Postmodernism poisons everything.

Faith vs Fact: four new photos for the contest

August 9, 2015 • 10:45 am
Don’t forget the “selfie with Faith versus Fact” contest, which I announced earlier and gave the rules and prize, which I’ll reprise:

Send a photo of yourself (or a member of your family) holding Faith versus Fact in the most incongruous place or situation you can think of. Be creative. 

I’ll give people a whole month to think of cool photos. Deadline: August 20, 2015; one entry per person. NO PHOTOSHOPPING. If you have the book on Kindle, you can still find a way.

The winner will get a hardback of the book (first edition, first printing) autographed by me, made out to whomever you want, and with a cat of your choice drawn in it. Of course you’ll already have procured a copy of the book to take the photo, so if you wish I’ll substitute a paperback copy of WEIT (I have no more hardbacks).

We now have four more entries to the contest. The first is from reader Randy Schenck:

Did not want to stand in front of a church, although there are plenty of them around. Instead we’ll do something different and get a field of the green stuff to show what sunshine, water and science can accomplish with no help from any invisible sources. As we read about the incompatibility between religion and science there may be one thing in common with faith and the hybrid crop in the background. They are both the result of human action.

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Reader Leon Krier had a clever idea:

The caption for this photo is: “B.B.Q. Publishing Hut announces the 2016 release of the controversial photo illustrated book … “F v F.” 
I had fun… hope it’s fun for you and others.

Photo ContestReader Elise Donovan sent three pictures. Only one, the first below, is an official entry, but I’ll show one more for grins. Her notes:

As I have now moved to Oklahoma City for my second post-doc I thought the ten commandments monument at the Oklahoma State Capitol building fit the bill for this.  It was a bit hard to get myself with the book open and the full “ten commandments” heading into the picture (taking it of myself so not much room to work with) so I have one holding the book, one reading the book, and then one of the back side of the monument as the top of it looks like a butt!

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The butt!:

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Curiously, just as I was writing this, reader Ken Eliott sent a photo taken in front of the very same monument!

I apologize for the lack of quality of this photo. I hope it’s subject matter makes up for it. I was alone, it’s almost high noon, and I do not own a selfie stick, nor do I own a print copy of “Faith vs Fact”. But, here I am in front of the infamous Ten Commandments monument on the north side of the Oklahoma State Capitol building holding my iPad while it displays the audible version of your magnificent book. Despite the State Supreme Court ruling to have it removed it still stands, and if I were to guess, it will be standing for quite some time.

I have the audible version so that I can listen to it while spending time in my car. It’s the most truly productive part of my day.

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Remember, there’s lots of time to submit entries: as noted in the original post, the deadline is August 20, and the rules are at the link.