“Science will win because it works.” –Stephen Hawking
Saturday’s Guardian features an online “conversation” between Sam Harris and British doctor, television presenter, and House of Lords member Robert Winston (he’s also a Baron!). Winston has shown sympathies for religion, and the topic of the conversation is “Is there any place for religious faith in science?” Here are a few extracts:
SH: Religious language is, without question, unscientific in its claims for what is true. We have Christians believing in the holy ghost, the resurrection of Jesus and his possible return – these are claims about biology and physics which, from a scientific point of view in the 21st century, should be unsustainable.
RW: You talk as if science is an absolute, and I don’t think it is at all. It isn’t the truth either, because I don’t believe there is such a thing as “the truth”. You rail against the ultimate truth of what some people believe – ie religion, God, Jesus, whatever. I don’t, because I don’t think it makes any more sense than railing against scientific truths. I say “truths” in inverted commas, because truths have a habit of being altered as we develop our knowledge.
No such thing as “the truth”? I wonder if Baron Winston rides in airplanes. Does he give antibiotics to his patients with infections? (He’s a doctor, for crying out loud!) If so, doesn’t he think that there might be something to the notion that those drugs kill bacteria? And if he does see that, well, then, is there also something to the notion that prayer works, or that Jesus came back to life after being crucified, or that we all go to heaven or hell after we die, or that Mohamed went to Paradise on the back of a white horse? This postmodern stupidity, in which religious “truth” is equated to scientific “truth” (in this case both with quotation marks) simply gives unwarranted credibility to the unevidenced claims of faith. And now that we’ve “developed” our knowledge that humans can’t come back to life when they’re dead for three days, or be born parthenogenetically, can we expect an “alteration” of faith claims about Jesus? I doubt it: those are bedrock claims of Christianity.
In contrast, during my lifetime I’ve seen an alteration of the scientific view that the continents didn’t move. Scientific “truth” is indeed not absolute, but subject to change with new evidence. Religious truth changes only when it’s forced to by secular pressures or the advance of science. It has no independent way of checking its own claims.
Oh hai, here’s a familiar trope:
RW: I suppose I really wonder why you’re so angry.
SH: [laughs] Do I sound angry?
RW: Yes. You write angrily, too.
SH: I’m more worried than angry, and perhaps impatient. I don’t see any reason to believe that we can survive our religious differences indefinitely. I am worried that religion is one of the forces that has balkanised our world – we have Christians against Muslims against Jews.
RW: But the irony is that books like yours and [Richard Dawkins‘s] God Delusion balkanise the world a good deal more, because they polarise views. The God Delusion has caused very aggressive reactions from [people who] previously weren’t aggressive. In my book, I try to talk about our responsibility as scientists, one of which is to indulge in dialogue with people who are not scientists. One of the ways [atheist science writers] make dialogue is by being aggressive or angry with people who don’t agree with your view.
What a jerk Winston is! He really doesn’t care about truth; he cares about “tone”. What he really wants is for atheists to simply stop criticizing religion. I can’t imagine a way that Sam—or any of us—could make our serious points about faith without people like Winston complaining about “anger” and “aggression.”
The two then get into it about Francis Collins, whether he should go around lecturing and writing about Jebus and Frozen Waterfalls, and whether that detracts from his science. Sam makes a good—and obvious point:
RW: I think he’s entitled to believe it [Collins on Jesus and God] as a human being. I think it’s important for scientists to be a bit less arrogant, a bit more humble, recognising we are capable of making mistakes and being fallacious – which is increasingly serious in a society where our work may have unpredictable consequences.
SH: I agree with all that. I just think you have humility and arrogance reversed in this case. Humility is very much on the side of science and honest self-criticism. The arrogance is claiming to be certain about truth claims of Iron Age philosophy, which someone like Collins does.
Here’s a nice exchange, which typifies the piece. I do think that Sam gets the better of Winston, though of course I’m biased. Winston comes off as a soft-headed guy who thinks that if we just listen to the faithful, they’ll come over to the side of science.
SH: You’re suggesting that a scientist can practice his science in isolation from the rest of the scientific worldview. In the States you find biochemists who are young-earth creationists, who think that Genesis is a literal story of cosmology.
RW: I think they’re entitled to their view. I think they’re wrong, but so what?
SH: You wouldn’t say that a doctor is entitled to believe his patients were sick from the evil eye, or voodoo. You wouldn’t say Francis Collins is free to deny the germ theory of disease. You’re recommending he practises his science in a walled garden. That’s an intellectual problem. Every scientist has to admit what is offered as true in the context of religion is scientifically unjustified.
Winston seems to feel that the debasement of evidence-based reasoning by America’s most famous scientist is a matter of little concern. He’s taking the “I’m-bored-with-it” attitude toward accommodationism, seemingly oblivious to the real problems attendant on faith. Does he not see how creationism (which of course comes directly from religion) is a constant danger to science education in our country, at least? Or that homeopathy (also based on faith) is a danger to medicine in his country?
