Catholic official says that angels exist but are wingless

December 21, 2013 • 10:33 am

“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?”

That’s the question you should always ask believers when they make an unsupported assertions, ranging from “God is loving” to “Our souls live on after death.” The answer will always be one of two things: “The Bible says so,” or “I just know it to be true.” Neither of those are rational answers, but they satisfy the religious.

It is in fact the “how-do-you-know-that” query that really distinguishes New Atheism from Old. While atheists have always decried the lack of evidence for theism, it is the infusion of scientists and science-friendly people into atheism, starting with Carl Sagan and continuing on to Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Pinker, and Dennett, that has made us realize that religious dogmas are in fact hypotheses, and you need reasons and evidence for accepting them. If you have none, then you have no reason to believe in God.

Nevertheless, religious dogma does change, but not because theology has found better reasons. It’s because a.) science has shown the dogma to be false (Genesis, Adam and Eve, creation, the Exodus, etc.) or b.) secular morality has shown that the tenets of religious belief are no longer supportable (hell as a place of fire, limbo, discrimination against gays, the Mormons’ refusal to let black be priests, etc.)

But I fulminate.  The best “how do you know that” moment of the month is one I learned from a Sky News article: “Angels exist but have no wings, says Church.” In it, we learn that a prescient priest has decided that angels, like worker ants, are wingless:

Angels really do exist but do not have wings and are more like shards of light, according to a church official.

Catholic Church “angelologist” Father Renzo Lavatori [JAC: great name!] says the celestial beings are back in vogue thanks to various New Age religions.

But he insists that the traditional portrayal of angels as hovering, winged cherubs rather misses the mark.

“I think there is a re-discovery of angels in Christianity,” Father Lavatori said at a conference on angels at a lavishly-frescoed Renaissance palace in Rome.

The angels conference is being hosted by Rome’s Palazzo della Cancelleria”You do not see angels so much as feel their presence – they are a bit like sunlight that refracts on you through a crystal vase,” he added.

The senior clergyman was taking part in a debate this week on angelic art by the Fondazione Archivio Storico, an Italian art foundation.

HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT? Here’s the results of a search for “angel” in the King James Bible (there are 10 pages of references). While they don’t appear to be explicitly wingéd, they are definitely anthropomorphic, wear clothes, and have bodies, e.g.:

Revelation 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Shards of light don’t have hands. The Bible tells us clearly that angels look like people and can ascend and descend, whether with wings or under some other power.

And clearly cherubim, which are for all purposes angels, have wings—big ones!

Exodus 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

1 Kings 6:27 And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house.

2 Chronicles 3:11 And the wings of the cherubims were twenty cubits long: one wing of the one cherub was five cubits, reaching to the wall of the house: and the other wing was likewise five cubits, reaching to the wing of the other cherub.

Also, seraphim, which are classed as angels in the Holy Taxonomy of Divine Beings, are also wingéd:

ser·aph  (srf)

n.pl.ser·a·phim (--fm) or ser·aphs

1. A celestial being having three pairs of wings.
2. seraphim Christianity The first of the nine orders of angels in medieval angelology. [JAC: If you want to learn about the LOLzy study of “angelology,” second in theological nonsense only to baraminology (the attempt to discern which “kinds” or organisms God created), go here or here.
If seraphim are angels, then, and have wings, as the quote below shows, then father Lavatori is simply wrong. Or “wings” may simply be a Biblical metaphor for “shards of light”:
Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
So where did Father Lavatori get the idea that angels were shards of light? I’d love to ask him that question, for the words “shard” or “shards” do not appear in scripture.
Sky News  gives more information, revealing that while Father Lavatory knows that angels aren’t anthromorphic, he also knows that the devil is real (though he doesn’t say whether Beelzebub has horns, hooves, and a tail):

Father Lavatori said the popularised image of angels is a necessary result of their being “back in fashion” but is dismissive of all the angel art around Christmas.

“There is space for that, but you have to understand that these are not real representations. Angels do not have wings or look like cherubs,” he said.

The widely-published Catholic clergyman is also a “demonologist” and says angels are more needed than ever.

This is because increasing secularisation and materialism in society have left an “open door” for the devil, he said.

“There is a lot more interference from diabolical forces. That is why you see queues of people outside the exorcists’ offices in churches,” he said.

“Pope Francis talks more about the devil than about angels and I think rightly so. But it’s still early, he will get round to the angels too.”

The Independent notes that Lavatori “has risked the wrath of the world’s Christians” by making such a presumptuous claim. That means that Christians want their angels to have wings. Can that faith get more ridiculous than this?

BUT—we do know from the LOLcat Bible that cat angels have wings:

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EM-ELLIS-XMAS
No nomming in Heaven!

h/t: Barry

Local park district, then library, reject $3000 donation because it came from atheists

December 21, 2013 • 6:57 am

. . . to be specific, the godless readers of the The Friendly Atheist website, run by the estimable Hemant Mehta, who teaches high-school math in a Chicago suburb. If you follow his site, which is immensely popular, you’ll know that a park district, also in the Chicago suburbs, turned down a big donation because its source was godless (i.e., Hemant).

It all started this fall; as Hemant writes:

Back in October, I posted about how the American Legion Post 134 was financially boycotting the Morton Grove Park District because its Commissioner Dan Ashta wouldn’t stand for the Pledge of Allegiance at board meetings. Ashta’s sitting down for the Pledge cost the district $2,600 that the American Legion group had been giving them each year.

Ashta’s protest was apparently about the right of Americans to exercise their freedoms.  But of course it was perceived as a slap in the face by the right-wing Legionnaires, who refused to give their customary donation. At that point Hemant stepped in, asking his readers to make up the shortfall, and they more than did so, raising a bit more than $3000 for the park district.

But the district refused it, sending back this letter:

Picture 1There were, of course, no strings attached to the money that Hemant raised; the “First Amendment dispute” simply means either “Money from atheists is tainted by Satan,” or “If we took money from you heathens, nobody would ever donate to us again.”

So Hemant decided to donate the money to the Morton Grove Public Library instead. Again, there were no strings attached.

And the library’s trustees refused it.

Trying to find out what happened, Hemant talked to some people in the know, and then posted about it:

I asked the callers what reasons trustees offered and they said there were two main ones:

1) The board members were unhappy with things random commenters had written on this site’s Facebook page.

Between this site and Facebook, I easily get more than a thousand comments a day. I don’t sit around reading all of them. I rely on readers to flag things that are inappropriate, as do most large websites, and I focus on writing content.

To punish me (and the donors) for comments made by complete strangers makes as much sense as someone criticizing Pastor Mark Driscoll for things his Twitter followers write. It just makes no sense. Any journalist or blogger knows damn well that comment threads are not reflections of the writers. We may set the tone but we can’t turn off the trolls.

2) The board members felt there was something unsavory about taking money that donors were told would go to the Park District.

After the Park District rejected the money, I made very clear on this site that I would be giving the money to the library.

Not a single donor voiced any disappointment with that decision. The money was always supposed to benefit the people of Morton Grove. That’s why people donated. If the Park District didn’t want to be the conduit, then the library seemed to be a perfectly acceptable alternative for everyone.

. . . So, those were the board’s excuses. I firmly believe that if the money came from the “Friendly Christian,” none of this would be an issue. The “A” word is just freaking everybody out.

In an article about the kerfuffle, the Chicago Tribune found out some dtails that are even more disturbing:

Reached by phone Thursday, Mehta said he was surprised.

“I’m in shock right now,” he said. “I figured at least the library would take it.”

Library Board Treasurer Catherine Peters said she stopped library staff from depositing the check this month, calling it a matter that should be voted on by the board.

Board President Mark Albers, who voted to accept the donation, said he had no idea whether the money was from Mehta’s fundraising campaign or Mehta himself.

But many board members were more alarmed by the nature of Mehta’s blog and the ethical implications posed by accepting money from him.

Peters referred to the blog as a “hate group.”

Hate group? Are you serious? Hemant polices his site even more closely than I do mine.  It’s absolutely unbelievable that it should be called a “hate group.” The real hate groups are those that damn unbelievers, Muslims, and Hindus to hell for not accepting Jesus.

Hemant adds an editorial note:

I appreciated how one commenter put it on the Tribune‘s website:

“A ‘hate group’ called the Friendly Atheist, that raises money for libraries.”

Finally, Hemant found out that the Morton Grove Library trustees videotaped their meeting, and posted it on YouTube. Big mistake! Here’s the video, and Hemant notes,

The relevant portion begins at the 32:15 mark

Hemant’s post on the video highlights the relevant parts, and some of them are funny but pathetic (for example, one trustee says that the “Friendly Atheist” facebook page uses the avatar “666”, when in fact a) Hemant doesn’t run the Facebook page, and b) the “666” was from an article about a female athlete in Kentucky who wouldn’t run a race when she was given that number (I’ve posted about this a short while ago).

Go look at Hemant’s column to see the gory details.

These people are not snake-handling, Bible-thumping yahoos; they are prosperous trustees of a library in a prosperious suburb. Nevertheless, they see atheists as if we all have “666” emblazoned on our foreheads. We have a long way to go.  And of course they would have taken the money if it came from the Catholic Church: a real hate group.

I would respectively suggest that Hemant take that money and give it to a good secular organization that can use it to save lives instead of planting trees or buying books—some group like Doctors Without Borders. Morton Grove doesn’t deserve the money.

And I would love for some national paper or magazine to write about this incident. It bears on the recurring prejudice of the faithful against nonbelievers—a prejudice that made these trustees shoot themselves in the foot.

Caturday felids: Cat tattoos, and cheetah and d*g playing in the snow

December 21, 2013 • 5:03 am

Three and a half years ago I posted a selection of the best cat tattoos (“Cattoos,” I called them; be sure to look at the last one!). The thing was that these were all inked on people.  Now some misguided Russian fellow has decided to give himself and his cat matching tattoos.

Do I need to advise readers, “DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME”? It is of course cruel to tattoo your cat (even if it is a Sphynx), but I had to show this anyway. It’s from a piece in Jezebel called “Total jackass gives his cat a tattoo,” and has this description:

People do a lot of stupid things to themselves, and it’s not generally a problem. But when they start doing things to pets, it becomes awful very quickly. Witness this poor cat with a tattoo. Apparently pet tattooing has become a trend in Russia’s Republic of Tatarstan, where the owner, a 24-year-old tattoo artist, lives. Not surprisingly, the idiotic owner is in trouble with animal rights activists, but he sees nothing wrong with the fact that he gave his hairless cat Coco a permanent necklace. As if anesthetizing a cat (can you imagine trying to do this on an alert kitty?) and marking up her body isn’t bad enough, the asshole also misspelled Carpe Diem as “Carpe Deem.” At least Coco can’t read so she’s spared total humiliation—though if she ever notices the giant tattoo of her face that her owner has on his forearm, the shame just might be enough to do her in.

ku-xlargeThe cat does not look happy.

ku-mediumHere’s the miscreant and his mistreated moggie:

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As a palliative, I offer this photo that a reader sent me. Yes, it’s a tad salacious, but your eyes should be on the lovely cat tattoo:

Cat tattoo

Any readers with tattoos (cats or otherwise) should feel free to confess at this point.  On my 40th birthday my lab bought me a gift certificate for a fruit-fly tattooat a local ink emporium, but I never got it. I always wonder if the kids (and Hollywood actors) who bedeck themselves with tattoos now will regret it when they’re older.  Skin sags, gets wrinkled, weight goes on, and the tattoos won’t be cool anymore anyway.

This clip is from the Cincinnati Zoo, with the YouTube notes:

Savanna the Cheetah and her d*g friend Max play in the snow, in the cheetah yard. Savanna and Max have been together since September 2012. Savanna was born in June of 2012 and Max was her play friend growing up.

Such beautiful animals (I’m referring to the cheetah); I wonder how they deal with snow? They apparently take it in stride.

h/t: P, Gravelinspector

Google box is a crossword puzzle today

December 20, 2013 • 2:55 pm

Tomorrow is the 100th anniversary of the crossword puzzle, but if you go to Google today, you’ll see this:

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Which, if you click on it, turns into this:

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And you can use your keyboard to fill in the puzzle.

I’ve never been much interested in crosswords, and when I try I’m lousy at them, but some of my friends are addicts, thriving on solving the Saturday New York Times puzzle. According to Aisha Harris at Slate, this one is a bit easier:

Earlier this week I spoke with the people behind the project. The doodle team worked on the idea for a bit earlier this year, but the project was shelved when there was not enough interest among doodle staff. Their minds were changed when Google programmer and crossword enthusiast Tom Tabanao, a consultant in the project’s early stages, asked a colleague what he could do to help get it going again. When she suggested that he create a demo to drum up interest, he revealed that he’d already made one that was ready to go.

They eventually decided that a “legitimate crossword constructor” should be brought on board to help design the doodle, and Tabanao’s first choice was Merl Reagle, long-time creator of the San Francisco Chronicle’s Sunday puzzle. Reagle “appeals to a broad audience,” Tabanao told me. “You know there are some edgier constructors, there’s some constructors that do kind of crazy things with unusual letters … but it seemed like a good fit between Merle’s audience and Google’s audience.”

The goal, Reagle explained, was to make a “populist puzzle” that most people could solve, with ideas that would have “some sort of visual angle” after they were revealed. Reagle created the puzzle, Tabanao, who served as the lead engineer, offered some feedback, and then the rest of the Google team, including lead artist Brian Kaas, took over.

Knock yourself out. The Slate piece also gives a bit of history, including the fact that it was supposed to be called “word-cross,” but was changed in error by a typographer.

A farewell to foxes

December 20, 2013 • 2:26 pm

Well, there’s one more post to finish off Fox Week, which had a hiatus. Here we have a video of a pet fox sent in by reader Diane MacPherson who, as we know, has no lack of enthusiasm. Her note:

OMG this little fox is so cute! This is a longish video at just over 9 mins but I could watch this little female fox all day playing in the house. Towards the end “Vixey” gets groomed & eats at the table:

And indeed she does.

More from Diana:

Here is the accompanying Website: I use Google Chrome as a browser & got it to translate the page from Czech to English & it appears that Vixey was a little female fox that these people rescued from a fur farm in Czechoslovakia and they wanted to show these videos and pictures to increase awareness about the cruel conditions at fur farms.

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I (Jerry) translated it using Google Translate, and got the following.  It’s semi-coherent, of course, for these translation programs are far from perfect. But the video is good.

Welcome to Vixey.cz

Web not only the life of an extraordinary fox

Dear Readers!

These websites are devoted mainly to our unusual home companion – lištičce behalf Vixey . She , like many other foxes born in appalling conditions in one of the fur farms in the Czech Republic , where it subsequently came into our care . Although it is not a pet in the true sense , certainly worth the attention it this way , not only fans of all animals, but especially common reader. It is not a coincidence that our Vixey found a better and happier home . The aim was to rescue her and actually still is mainly to draw attention to a serious issue that the fashion and the associated fur industry represents . Each year, only in the Czech Republic for their fur killed 50,000 animals. Animals , like our dear Vixey .

What do you find here ? In addition, many information lištičce Vixey and her life in our household here you can also view her rich gallery that is irregularly updated with new photos and funny videos . Read here also you of important information on the issue of fur farms and fur industry in general, including the message that we , along with Vixey through these pages like to pass on to others. Finally, here you can use the foxhole , which is a forum designed for all fans lištiček , which offers space for a wider debate not only about foxes , but also to everyone else what to do with these unique animals somehow related.

We hope that you will enjoy these pages and that you Vixey story will appeal enough to have our thoughts remain positively inclined . That you will like them even to the extent that you said about them and their friends and continue to spread our message . I believe that it can be much easier to reach the end completely unnecessary cruelty to animals on fur farms once and for all . Because the person who can realize the terrible suffering of animals on fur farms have certainly never any product made ​​of real fur buy , certainly not with a clear conscience.

Livid believers try to torch FFRF sign

December 20, 2013 • 1:14 pm

Speaking about the nonexistent right to not be offended, get a load of this.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) objected to a yearly Christmas sign in downtown Pitman, New Jersey that read “Keep Christ in Christmas.”  So they put up their own (below left):

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The results were predictable. As philly.com reports:

Pitman is host to an oversized “Keep Christ in Christmas” banner that hangs over Broadway. Johnson said it has hung in the center of the town’s business district during the holiday season for more than 40 years.

Since 2011, the Foundation for Freedom From Religion has asked to have the banner removed or have Pitman put up a similar banner for non-believers.

“All we wanted was equal time and equal prominence,” said the foundation’s spokesman Andrew Seidel. “Otherwise, they’re violating the Constitution.”

Pitman’s mayor and town council repeatedly rebuffed the foundation, Seidel said.

“So rather than sue this town, we decided to take a different tack and put up a billboard,” he said. The foundation leased a Clear Channel-owned sign that stands near the intersection of West Holly Avenue and Lambs Road.

Pitman residents were livid, Johnson said.

. . . An off-duty police officer witnessed the latest assault on the sign Tuesday about 11:45 p.m., said Chief Robert Zimmerman. Two white men pulled up in a silver and blue Ford 150 pickup truck with a ladder rack. They poured gas around the supports, set it ablaze and quickly fled.

“They were not successful,” Zimmerman said. “The posts are steel and didn’t ignite at all.”

. . . Seidel, the foundation’s spokeman, said the attempt to burn the sign constitutes a hate crime under New Jersey statute.

“It was an attempt to intimidate people on the basis of their religion, a case of bias intimidation,” he said, pointing out that Sunday was the 222nd anniversary of the First Amendment, which guarantees all Americans the freedoms of religion and speech.

I think that’s a bit poorly worded, because Seidel made the tacit admission that nonbelief is a “religion”.  Believers could have a field day with that! He probably should have said “on the basis of their lack of religion.”

But Christians: pay attention! Do you see any atheists torching Christmas signs or nativity displays? Have you ever heard of that? On what grounds does your religion, supposedly a loving one, grant you license to attack the property of atheists, when we never do that to you?

And here’s a video of Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-President of the FFRF, defending heathen signs two years ago on Laura Ingraham’s show. Ingraham is as nasty a piece of right-wing work as they come, and seems unable to let Annie Laurie speak, but Gaylor holds her own:

There’s nothing that angers Christians more than seeing a nonbeliever try to assert her rights under the First Amendment.

h/t: Tom

Carl Sagan’s last interview

December 20, 2013 • 11:35 am

Carl Sagan died 17 years ago today: December 20, 1996. This is a small clip of his last interview, with Charlie Rose.

Sagan is clearly, as Hitchens said in his last speech, “not as I was.” (At the beginning of the third part of the full interview, below, he avers belief that he’s cured of myelodysplasia.) Nevertheless, he’s eloquent, with that rich voice emanating from a wasting frame, and his warning about American leaders’ ignorance of science is more timely than ever:

Here’s the whole interview:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3