Don Prothero discusses fossils with the Thinking Atheist

June 4, 2014 • 10:49 am

This was just put up: an audio discussion between Seth “The Thinking Atheist” Andrews and Don Prothero, a prolific paleobiologist and author of one of my favorite evolution books, Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters. The introduction begins at about 6:30, and the show continues for about an hour and five minutes after that.

Prothero talks not only about fossils, but about cryptozoology, punctuated equilibrium and, of course, his continuing battles with creationists. It’s a very nice program, and Don is quite eloquent. You could do worse than listening for an hour.

The Q&A from listeners begins at 42:40.

By the way, you can find the video of the debate between Matt Dillahunty and Sye Ten Bruggencate here.

Lebanon principal issues a non-apology

June 4, 2014 • 8:52 am

Below is the statement of “apology” apparently made by Lebanon High principal Kevin Lowery (and issued by the school district) after the Freedom from Religion Foundation (and other people) complained about Lowery’s intrusive prayers at the school’s graduation:

“I sincerely apologize if any comments made in my speech offended anyone in the audience and our community, especially any of our students, and will strive to not let this happen again. Our district endeavors to fully comply with the laws and Constitution of the United States, and to provide quality education to all of our students. I wish each and everyone of the 332 fine young men and women who graduated that night the best in all of their endeavors.”

-Lebanon High School Principal Kevin Lowery

For additional information Contact:
Jacy Tilton
Director of Communications, Lebanon R-3 School District
417-225-8094

I am usually quite charitable about accepting apologies, but this isn’t a genuine apology.  Apologies of the sort that say “I’m sorry if I offended anyone” do not show remorse for the conduct, but merely for “offending” people, some of which, of course, Lowery doesn’t think should be offended.  Further, he doesn’t say it won’t happen again, but simply that “I will strive not to let this happen again.”  Strive?  Can’t the principal assure us that it won’t happen again?

Finally, if the district endeavored to fully comply with the laws and Constitution of the U.S., why did Lowery deliberately and knowingly violate those, for in his “prayer speech” he claimed that he knew that what he was saying was “politically incorrect.”

The proselytizing of the school’s officials, teachers, and students goes far deeper than the prayer at graduation, as a student attested yesterday. There are “prayer circles” before exams, no teacher dared host a “diversity club” for nonbelieving and gay students, students proselytize for Christianity in class, and apparently, Principal Lowery wasn’t a stranger to Constitutionally-banned prayer. This is from the student’s letter:

What Mr. Lowery did at the 2014 graduation ceremony is hardly the first time that he danced around the Separation of Church and State for prayer.  At the previous graduation ceremony, he said that he is not allowed to say a prayer, but if he could say a prayer, this is what he would say.  He added that he would encourage everyone to bow their heads.  And if this was not ambiguous enough, he added an “amen” to conclude his statements.

I was surprised.  I tried to discuss this with like-minded classmates who informed me that he often prayed before school sponsored sports events.  This was of course allowed due to the majority of Lebanon being religious—a population around 15,000 and a church on every corner.

What was “allowed” is, in fact, unconstitutional.

Principal Lowery’s apology is insufficient.  What he should have said is that his behavior was wrong, why it was wrong, and that he will assure everyone that the school will, in all its activities, comply with the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

I am not involved in this issue any further, as it’s in the hands of the FFRF’s lawyers. But my own view is that Lowery’s apology is a sham, and that any legal body needs a stronger assurance that there will be no more prayers at public school activities. And, it seems to me—given the depth of religious indoctrination in that school—the FFRF might want to look into things bit more deeply.

For the nonce we’re assured that the Principal will strive not to pray at graduation. That’s not good enough. He needs to stop talking about God and praying in his school. Let him praise God on his own time, and in his own home and church.

 

Yet another Lebanon student opposes public prayer and the religiosity of Lebanon High

June 4, 2014 • 7:31 am

The principal of Lebanon High School has issued an apology that isn’t really an apology. I’ll post that shortly.

First, I’ve received one more letter from a graduate of Lebanon High—one who wishes to be identified. I wrote her twice asking for confirmation, for we all know (viz., the Jessica Ahlquist affair) what can happen to students who stand up for the separation of church and state in a religious town.  The student repeated that she wanted to be identified because, as she wrote, “It doesn’t have to be anonymous at all. I stand by my views and wish to help fight for the cause!” How heartening to hear a young person talk about the “cause”!

Therefore, I give you the views of McKenzie McCaskill, who attended Lebanon High School:

At the graduation of my old school in Lebanon the principal, Mr. Lowery, talked a lot about god and even had a moment of silence (I’m assuming for prayer but maybe I’m wrong). I find this extremely wrong. Just because a majority of kids who go to the school are Christian doesn’t make it right to bring god into the celebration of a school matter. Imagine how out of place anyone of a different religion felt during this speech. If Mr. Lowery was, let’s say, Hindu and he had a speech that strongly mentioned and worshiped the Hindu religion he would most likely be hanged in Lebanon. Just because the majority of people in the town are Christian does NOT make it acceptable. There is a separation of church and state, and quite honestly I would have walked right out of that graduation if I heard that speech. If he would have pulled a stunt like that in any bigger city he most likely would have been fired.

Lebanon high school is a public school. If you want to talk about god then be a principal at a private school. I have nothing against Christians, I have nothing against any religion, I have nothing against god, I have nothing against the followers of god, but I sure have something against making people feel out of place because they have a different belief than you. Any kid of a different religion or of no religion probably felt like such an outsider and felt so out of place. Mr. Lowery has done this in many speeches before, and though he knows some students and parents are not comfortable with the talk of religion in events such as the graduation, he proceeds to do as he wants and disregards those in the minority. Laws were set to separate church and state and students at Lebanon High School should have a privilege to those rights. Those rights should not be ignored just because a majority of the town shares the same beliefs. There is a time and place for everything and it was very wrong for Mr. Lowery to put some (even if only a few) students in such an awkward and unfair situation at their own graduation.

This now makes three students who have expressed their opposition to the principal’s proselytizing and the relentless religiosity of Lebanon High, far worse than even I imagined.  These are courageous young folks, for, one way or another, people will probably figure out who they are. McKenzie doesn’t care, and good for her. I hope she doesn’t get too much pushback.

I’d like the school board of Lebanon to read those three letters (the first two are here and here), and then contemplate the effect of the school’s pervasive Christian proselytizing on their young people. For one thing, it’s going to drive the freethinkers away from Lebanon, as it has done for some already.  But maybe Lebanon doesn’t care if it hemorrhages its smartest kids, so long as the town can keep its Christian unanimity.

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I’ll append one attempted comment by a Guy Caley, just to refresh you about the Constitutional acumen of many Lebanon residents:

Do any of you people even live in Lebanon or have kids in the school? No? Then this doesn’t concern you. I do and nobody I have heard in Lebanon is complaining. We aren’t really in need of your assistance.

And by the way the folks at Freedom From Religion Foundation that Professor Coyne tattled to have already said that Professor Coyne is an idiot and there is no constitutional violation here.

You’ve heard three complaints, Caley (there are more). The reason more people don’t complain is that you and your fellow Christians have intimidated them into silence. Oh, and you’ve lied about what the FFRF said.  You have no integrity.

Finally, you do need our help, or at least the FFRF’s, if your schools are to follow the law. Since you don’t do that willingly, we have to force you through the legal system.

 

Chicks at the FalconCam

June 4, 2014 • 5:24 am

The live (peregrine) FalconCam in Fargo, North Dakota, is well worth watching these days, as the parents have hatched three fuzzy chicks, now about a week old.  I took the screenshot below a few minutes ago, and all the chicks were rolling around like dust bunnies. If you click on the shot, it’ll take you directly to the cam.

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It’s worth checking this cam from time to time, not only to watch the chicks grow, but to see the magnificent parents tend and feed them.

Pope tells Catholics to have kids, not pets

June 4, 2014 • 5:16 am

When Francis became Pope, it became a touchstone for who really was a skeptic.  The new Pope’s display of humility and (it turns out) false reconciliation toward gays made many people feel warmly toward him—even nonbelievers. But ex-Catholics, or atheists familiar with the Catholic church, wearily echoed the refrain: “Meet the new Pope: same as the old Pope.”

That has turned out to be true. Francis may abjure designer shoes and live in a humble apartment, but he’s still pushing the tired old maladaptive doctrines of his Church.

And now he’s really offended me. The title of the Religion News Service‘s story tells the tale: “Pope Francis tells couples not to substitute dogs and cats for children.

The title is amusing, and I can make light of the Pope’s dissing of cats and d*gs. But there’s a serious purpose behind this, of course, for the Church is bleeding adherents everywhere in the world save South and Central America. It simply needs its female members (aka breeder cattle) to pump out more young Catholics.

But I fulminate. Here’s what the Pope said:

Pope Francis on Monday (June 2) warned married couples against substituting cats and dogs for children — a move that he said leads to the “bitterness of loneliness” in old age.

The pope made his comments as he celebrated daily Mass with 15 married couples in the chapel at the Santa Marta residence where he lives inside the Vatican.

He reminded the couples, whose marriages ranged from 25 to 60 years, of the need for faithfulness, perseverance and fertility in maintaining a Christian marriage.

Fertility!

But he went a step further and strongly criticized those couples who choose not to have children, saying they had been influenced by a culture of “well-being” that says life is better without kids.

“You can go explore the world, go on holiday, you can have a villa in the countryside, you can be carefree,” the pope said.

“It might be better — more comfortable — to have a dog, two cats, and the love goes to the two cats and the dog. Is this true or not? Have you seen it?

“Then, in the end this marriage comes to old age in solitude, with the bitterness of loneliness.“

LOL.  If you have a cat or a d*g, they won’t leave home and ignore you in your old age, as so many children do to their parents. A fuzzy kitteh is one of the best cures for loneliness there is, for it’s always around.  Can you give your children a belly rub, or will they sleep with you and sooth you with their purrs? I don’t think so.

The Pope’s rationale is not loneliness, of course, it’s MAKE MORE CATHOLICS.

The 77-year-old pontiff made his comments after recent figures confirmed a drop in birth rates in the U.S., Italy and elsewhere.

Figures released by Italy’s official statistics agency Istat last week showed the country’s birth rate hit a record low in 2013, with the birth of only 515,000 babies — a drop of 64,000 over the past five years — and a worrying trend as the population ages.

Last year, Time magazine provoked a national debate with a controversial issue entitled “The Childfree Life,” which also showed a dramatic fall in the U.S. birth rate and the role of personal choice.

What a sneaky old so-and-so he is! Is Francis fooling anyone with his talk about the need to have kids to avoid being lonely and bitter in their old age? If he is, then Catholics are even more gullible than I thought.

h/t: Barry

Hili dialogue: Wednesday

June 4, 2014 • 2:48 am

Hili has not yet come to terms with the d*g:

Hili: And he is going to eat all this?
A: Hili, Cyrus is a big dog.
Hili: Wasn’t there any smaller one?

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In Polish:
Hili: I on to wszystko zje?
Ja: Hili, Cyrus to duży pies.
Hili: A mniejszego nie było?

A Swiss bird toy

June 3, 2014 • 6:59 pm

According to YouTube, this Swiss toy was built at the beginning of the 19th century, making it 200 years old. And it’s pretty amazing.

If it’s supposed to mimic a real bird, what’s the species?

 

h/t: John