Science magazine’s piece on the Giant Templeton Evolution Grant, and my response

May 3, 2016 • 11:30 am

About two weeks ago I was interviewed by Elizabeth Pennisi, a reporter for Science magazine, about the big grant (about $8 million, it seems—I was apparently wrong in claiming $11 million in my previous article) that the John Templeton Foundation gave to a group of researchers to “rethink” the modern theory of evolution and come up with a revision, an “extended evolutionary synthesis.” Pennisi had read my critical piece on this grant and the research it will fund (see also here), and figured that I could be the main mandatory “opposing view” on her piece about the grant. Her short piece, “Templeton grant funds evolution rethink” (Science, 352:394-395), was recently published, and I believe it’s free online.

The article is not completely egregious, as it does present some counter-views (not only mine but those of Harvard professor Hopi Hoekstra); but overall it’s pretty much of a puff piece for the “extended evolutionary synthesis” that Templeton is funding. I’ll give some excerpts from Pennisi’s piece (indented) and then my own responses (flush left). Let’s start at the beginning:

For many evolutionary biologists, nothing gets their dander up faster than proposing that evolution is anything other than the process of natural selection, acting on random mutations. Suggestions that something is missing from that picture—for example, that evolution is somehow directed or that genetic changes can’t fully explain it—play into the hands of creationists, who leap on them as evidence against evolution itself.

No wonder some evolutionary biologists are uneasy with an $8.7 million grant to U.K., Swedish, and U.S. researchers for experimental and theoretical work intended to put a revisionist view of evolution, the so-called extended evolutionary synthesis, on a sounder footing. Using a variety of plants, animals, and microbes, the researchers will study the possibility that organisms can influence their own evolution and that inheritance can take place through routes other than the genetic material.

This passage falsely implies that all of us who are critical of the “Neo-darwinism is wrong” group do so because we’re wedded to a moribund paradigm: that our scientific arteries are calcified. That’s just not the case. If there were credible evidence that evolution was “directed”—by either God or development—we’d pay attention. As for evolution being something other than natural selection, we already accepted that four decades ago, when we realized that some morphological evolution, and perhaps the bulk of changes in DNA sequence, could be explained by genetic drift (random changes in allele frequencies caused not by selection, but sampling error) rather than by natural selection. The “neutral theory” of evolution that incorporates genetic drift is now part of mainstream evolutionary biology.

And it’s offensive to suggest that our wariness toward radical new theories comes from their likelihood of being touted by creationists. I’ve never heard anybody say that another scientist should censor herself about an important idea because it could be misused by creationists.

Templeton’s executive vice president for programs, Michael Murray, says the foundation just wants to bring “greater clarity” to the mechanisms of the extended evolutionary synthesis. Now, there’s the opportunity “to show there is something there or to move on to other things,” he says.

Some scholars and scientists agree. “The amount of money is obviously significant, and that allows for a much larger scale project than would otherwise be possible,” says Alan Love, a philosopher at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, who has followed the debate over the extended synthesis. Greg Wray, an evolutionary biologist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, who doesn’t see a need for such revisionist thinking, adds that for its advocates, “this is a chance to really show us they are right.”

Sorry, but I don’t believe that this is Templeton’s entire rationale for dispensing so much money. There is an agenda behind what everything Templeton does, and that’s usually to do down materialism or reductionism and show that science and religion are not at odds. I suspect (but don’t know) that in this case they’re going after the reductionist “gene centered paradigm” of modern evolutionary biology, and perhaps, as a reader suggested, they like the woo-ey notion of the “organism as agent in its own evolution.” As for Wray’s statement, yes, the whopping grant offers a chance to show that its recipients are right, but it’s money diverted from projects that, to my mind, are not only more interesting, but are not driven by an agenda. For make no mistake about it—what Templeton is funding is agenda-driven science: the recipients of the grant are setting out to show something. And that’s always a dangerous motivation.

Pennisi goes on:

Advocates stress that animals, plants, and even microbes modify their environments, exhibit plasticity in their physical traits, and behave differently depending on the conditions they face. Chemical modifications of the DNA that affect gene activity—so-called epigenetic changes—seem to explain some of this flexibility. These and other factors suggest to some biologists that an organism’s development is not simply programmed by the genetic sequences it inherits. For them, such plasticity implies that parents can influence offspring not just through their DNA but by passing on the microorganisms they host or by transmitting epigenetic marks to subsequent generations. “Innovation may be a developmental response that becomes stabilized through genetic changes,” explains Armin Moczek, an evolutionary developmental biologist at Indiana University, Bloomington.

The evidence that developmental plasticity derives from epigenetic markers on the DNA (methylated bases) rather than regulatory proteins interacting with genes is by no means widely accepted, for the evidence for epigenetic control is much weaker than for protein control. Further, adaptive developmental plasticity, like an Arctic mammal’s fur changing from brown to white in winter, or rotifers growing spines when they’re placed in water with predatory fish, is almost surely due to the “programs” encoded in DNA. The explanation that microorganisms cause such things is virtually nonexistent, as is the notion that developmental responses that have no initial genetic basis eventually get “stabilized through genetic changes.” I have yet to hear of one case of that,  and yet it’s constantly touted as being a major innovation in evolutionary thought. Where’s the beef?

Nor is evolution controlled only by natural selection, the winnowing process by which the fittest survive and reproduce, Laland and others argue. Organisms, by transforming their environments and responding to environmental factors, help control its course, they contend. As such, the extended synthesis “represents a nascent alternative conceptual framework for evolutionary biology,” Laland and dozens of colleagues wrote in a funding proposal to the Templeton Foundation last year.

This is uncontroversial. Beavers evolved to build dams and lodges, and those factors can influence their subsequent evolution. This idea, now called “niche construction”, is not in the least “a nascent alternative conceptual framework for evolutionary biology.” And I should add, as I told Dick Lewontin (who favors this notion), there are many ways that organisms must respond to their existing environments and can’t modify them. A polar bear’s evolution cannot change the color of the snow around it, nor can the hooves of the chamois change the granitic nature of the Swiss Alps. Fish are constrained in their movement by the hydrodynamic properties of water, which they cannot change.  Sometimes “niche construction” cannot be involved in adaptation—particularly in plants, which have less ability than animals to behaviorally modify their environments.

Some prominent evolutionary biologists have pushed back against this seeming rebellion. “It’s a mixture of old ideas that aren’t novel and reasonable ideas that haven’t been shown to be of any importance,” Coyne says. He and others insist that evolutionary biology has already incorporated some of these ideas or is in the process of doing so—meaning no “extension” is necessary. Futhermore, although they might disagree, extended synthesis advocates “are saying these things with very little empirical data,” adds Hopi Hoekstra, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard University.

Yes, I’m right, and so is Hopi. 🙂

The Templeton Foundation, however, was intrigued by the debate in Nature, and it approached Laland about what would be needed to resolve it. He and Tobias Uller, an evolutionary biologist from Lund University in Sweden, then assembled 49 researchers from different fields and plotted out 22 interconnected projects across eight institutions to test the extended synthesis.

Now we see what’s really going on here. Apparently Lanland, at St Andrews University, didn’t approach Templeton with the “revolutionary” ideas; instead, Templeton approached them! In other words, the project was funded because it somehow struck Templeton as fitting into its “Big Ideas” agenda. This shows how the Templeton Foundation can warp the process of science, for this immense grant was handed out because the funding institution, which is not run by scientists, decided that it was suitable. Organizations like the NSF and NIH in the US, or NERC in the UK, use scientist-reviewers to vet proposals written by scientists. I have never been approached by a granting agency asking me to submit a proposal, saying that they were “interested in the work.”

The annual budget of the National Science Foundation for evolutionary biology is about $55-60 million [CORRECTED FROM EARLIER FIGURE of $8 million], and more if you include evolution in programs like anthropology, so this single Templeton grant may be as much as 10% of NSF funding in the same area. The NIH also gives money for evolutionary studies, but Templeton also gives money for evolutionary studies other than Laland’s.  Templeton’s efforts, then, are likely to tilt the direction of science toward the goals of Templeton. And it will also cause underfunded scientists to line up at the Templeton trough, proffering proposals that they think the Foundation will like. After all, the careers of nearly all researchers depends on the existence of external funding to support the research.

Pennisi continues:

One thematic group, which includes philosophers, will pull together the history of the extended synthesis, crystallize how it differs from traditional evolutionary biology, and refine the underlying theory. Another will tackle evolutionary innovations, exploring how novelty can arise. Some of those grantees will study what influences a green algae called Chlamydymonas to sometimes become multicellular, for example, hoping for insights into the evolution of more complex organisms. Others, probing the origins of social behavior, will try to come up with “rules” that nest-building social insects follow in response to local conditions. And studies of horned beetles will compare invasive with native species to understand how environmental-induced variation in horn size—the result of developmental plasticity—can become genetically locked into bigger or smaller horns.

Still other researchers will investigate nongenetic forms of inheritance. Some experiments, for example, will look at how the evolution of dung beetles was shaped by microbes that the mothers put into their eggs and by the dung itself. And some will assess the importance of “niche construction,” in which individuals modify their environments—as termites do by building mounds—creating a different set of conditions for individuals and their of spring that can affect natural selection. Over the next 3 years, several groups will come up with a theory that incorporates these nongenetic inheritance factors into evolutionary thinking.

All well and good, though I disagree with the project of showing how the “extended synthesis” differs from “traditional evolutionary biology.” That is genuine question-begging, since many of us feel that major aspects of the “extended synthesis”, like niche construction, fit neatly into the Modern Synthesis. That project, and some of the non-philosophical ones, worry me, for they seem designed to demonstrate an idea in a single instance, and then say, “See, the Modern Synthesis is incomplete.” The question, of course, is how often these “nontraditional” phenomena obtain, not whether we can find one or two instances of them in nature. As for niche construction, it certainly does not involve “nongenetic inheritance factors.”

What happens is this (let’s take as an example a speculative scenario involving beavers). Those ancestral beavers who have genes that led them, over time, to create pools out of streams by putting logs in the water leave more gene copies than do other beavers. (They can access more trees to nom, etc.). The presence of the ponds they create could then lead them to build lodges to keep them and their kits safe and secure.  All of this, of course, changes the beaver’s environment, thereby changing the nature of some factors that could promote survival and reproduction. That is, their evolved behavior could affect their future evolution.

But that’s not new: it applies to many species. Our evolved brains created many ways we could change the environment, affecting our future evolution. Those brains, for example, led many human populations to domesticate animals for milk. The consumption of that milk then led to the evolution of lactose tolerance in such “pastoral” human populations, for adults who could digest milk left more offspring (about 10% more, as evolutionists have calculated) than did intolerant people.

NONE of these scenarios involve evolution by nongenetic factors. And really, do we need a new “theory” to deal with this?

What we see here is agenda-driven science, but the agenda driving the research is not one that came from the scientists themselves. It came from a foundation dedicated to promoting the spirituality that John Templeton saw as inherent in science. That’s not a good way to decide which science gets the money and which does not. Sadly, the deep pockets of the John Templeton Foundation continue to warp the direction of research, at least in my field.

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UPDATE: I just saw an April 22nd piece Larry Moran wrote on his site Sandwalk about the grant and Pennisi’s article. He’s pretty much as critical as I am about both of them, and for similar reasons. An excerpt:

The real question is whether any of these things need to be incorporated into modern evolutionary theory and whether they extend the Modern Synthesis. Personally, I don’t think any of them make a significant contribution to evolutionary theory.

But my real beef is with the outdated view of evolution held by EES proponents. To a large extent they are fighting a strawman version of evolution. They think that the “Modern Synthesis” or “Neo-Darwinism” is the current view of evolutionary theory. They are attacking the old-fashioned view of evolutionary theory that was common in the 1960s but was greatly modified by the incorporation of Neutral Theory and increased emphasis on random genetic drift. The EES proponents all seem to have been asleep when the real revolution occurred.

Plagiarism update

May 3, 2016 • 9:00 am

Yesterday I reported a possible case of plagiarism of a story that involved my botfly affliction of many years ago. I’ve reported this case to Princeton University Press and the Nautilus site, which published or will publish the passage in question, as well as to Scribner’s (now part of Simon and Schuster) and to RadioLab, purveyors of the words that may have been plagiarized. I will report their responses unless I’m forbidden to do so. I have not contacted the author or his employers, and will not do so.

I emailed Nautilus (they don’t have a phone number on the Web), and they must have immediately contacted the author, who added 23 footnotes to the piece yesterday as well as a “correction”. Here is the correction and the first 8 footnotes; apparently I did email the guy six years ago, though I don’t remember that.

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But the use of many quotations in the initial article, as well as the book (from which the article was taken), and the attendant implication that those quotations were given by me to the author Robert Levine, was misleading. And that’s not all, for the striking similarity of wording between Levine’s piece and a passage in the 1984 book Tropical Nature remains unfootnoted, and continues to constitute what I think is plagiarism:

This is Levine’s passage, which is NOT footnoted though it contains direct wording from Tropical Nature:

This was the same museum that was founded by the great Swiss naturalist Louis Agassiz, under the guiding philosophy to “study nature, not books.” But, aside from fruit flies in a sterile lab, the only nature Coyne was seeing were stuffed mammals in a display case on his way to the Pepsi machine. When given the opportunity to take a summer field course in tropical ecology in Costa Rica, Coyne didn’t hesitate. He never imagined how close to nature he would get.

Two last comments: I put a comment on the Nautilus site as well as having emailed them, and they neither published my comment nor had the common decency to respond to my email. I wash my hands of them.

Finally, I am not doing this because I think I was plagiarized. I am doing this for three reasons: because RadioLab and Robert Krulwich may have been plagiarized, and I am quite fond of that show (and my botfly episode); because the work of my friends Ken Miyata and Adrian Forsyth may also have been plagiarized, and Ken died some time ago; and finally, because I absolutely despise those who pass off the words of others as their own. That seems to have happened in this case. The footnoting has not completely resolved this issue, nor am I sure that that footnoting appears in Levine’s upcoming book. That book, due out May 10, has already been published and copies are on their way to the sellers.

Readers’ wildlife photographs

May 3, 2016 • 8:00 am

We have a passel of photos today taken by reader John Pears in or near Kruger National Park, South Africa. His notes are indented.

African Wild Dog (Lycaon pictus)– in Timbervati Reserve; this was a first for my wife and me. We came across a pack of 20+ that had been feeding on fish trapped in a drying waterhole. These packs are becoming increasingly rare and the reserves ask for any sightings to be reported.

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Bush elephant (Loxodonta africana) – also a common sighting in the Kruger, often in big herds. Drought conditions are concentrating the herds, putting pressure on the trees, which are often casualties of elephants. In one reserve they had taken to wrapping the vulnerable trees in wire mesh which they believed elephant didn’t like rubbing on their tusks.

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Lion (Panthera leo) – this pair of males were the first we came across on entering the Kruger, not one of my best photos. We eventually saw 27 in 4 days—a personal best. Again the drought conditions concentrating the herds of wildebeest and buffalo also causes the lion to follow.

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Swainson Francolin (Pternistis swainsonii) – ground birds are common – bird life is spectacular and not to be overlooked.

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Burchell’s Zebra (Equus quagga burchellii) foal – quite the cute one!

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Zebra and Red-billed oxpecker (Buphagus erythrorhynchus) – Oxpeckers are always found with the game. Busy and amusing critters that will disappear into most cracks and crannies.

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Lion – we came across a breeding pair as the sun was setting on our 2nd day in the Kruger. The light was good, the pair were obliging and unabashed with the crowd of spectators!

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Buffalo (Syncerus caffer) and oxpecker – four horns, four oxpecker…nothing more to say:

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Yellow billed kite (Milvus aegyptius) – photographed in the early morning light:

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We’ll have more photos by John soon.

Finally, we must keep up with the rapidly-growing bald eagle chicks (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) on Stephen Barnard’s ranch in Idaho. Here’s the latest shot and comment:

Look at the size of this nestling at week 3. Look especially at the beak compared to the adult (Desi, I think).

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The chick’s beak is HUGE!

Google Doodle celebrates National Teacher Appreciation Day

May 3, 2016 • 7:00 am

Although I no longer teach at my own University, as a secular Jew (i.e., one who needs love and approbation, which explains why so many comedians are Jewish), I will claim that I’m included in the group being celebrated today by Google. And I still teach here and there. . . .

I left out this holiday in the Hili post, but include it here, along with the cute animated Doodle. Click on it to see where it goes:

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I have a feeling that the last pencil in line, stunted, alone, and upside down, is making some kind of political or ideological statement, but maybe I’ve been in the game too long. Your guess?

Matthew Cobb, however, still teaches, so we can celebrate him. And also Leicester City, which clinched the championship of the Premier League yesterday after my beloved Spurs didn’t beat Chelsea, tying them at 2-2.

Tuesday: Hili dialogue

May 3, 2016 • 6:15 am

It’s May 3, and the weather continues to improve in Chicago. But it’s Tuesday, the most depressing day of the week. On this day in 1921, the partition of Ireland into Northern and Southern Ireland took place, and, in 2003, New Hampshires famous rock formation the Old Man of the Mountain collapsed.

Those born on this day include Pete Seeger (1919), James Brown (1933), Franki Valli (1934), and Christopher Cross (1951), all musicians. Not many deaths of notables on this day; one is Jerzy Kosiński, who died in 1991. Meanwhile in Dobrzyn, the Princess is ticked off. She really needs a catflap, but I suspect that even if she had one she’d still want to be carried inside.

Hili: I was meowing and you didn’t hear me. I was scratching and you didn’t see me.
A: And?
Hili: I was peeved.
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In Polish:
Hili: Miauczałam, a nie słyszeliście mnie, drapałam, a nie widzieliście mnie…
Ja: I co?
Hili: Obraziłam się.

As lagniappe, the cherry trees in Dobrzyn are in full bloom, and Hili is out a lot roaming among them:

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Finally Gus was filmed making a Big Jump; here are the notes from staff Taskin:

Here’s a short Gus video. This jump is impressive to me because it goes over the stairway, so it’s a long way down if he misses. Doesn’t faze him at all though: he sure sticks the landing.

While my ukelele gently weeps

May 2, 2016 • 4:30 pm

It’s been a long and hectic day, and I want to go home. I had a lot of stuff to say today, but got sidetracked by the plagiarism issue and trying to suss it out.

Here’s a nice ukelele rendition of George Harrison’s “While my guitar gently weeps.” Jake Shimabukuro is the musician. I guess I had no idea you could play stuff like this on the uke.

Jake has more videos here.

The Great Hijab Debate

May 2, 2016 • 2:30 pm

On Saturday I went to The Great Hijab Debate, more formally known as “Politics and Clothing: The Hijab,” held at the Art Institute of Chicago; it was part of the Chicago Humanities Festival under its rubric of “fashion.” (See my pre-debate post here.) Below is the announcement, which is now gone from the Web (the Festival ended), and I’ve added links to the principals:

When Italian designers Dolce & Gabbana announced its first hijab collection, it wasn’t just the fashion world that took notice. In many ways, hijab is becoming part of mainstream Western culture, worn by characters on television series, Olympic athletes, even a new Barbie doll. Still the wearing of hijab continues to spark other responses, from attacks on women in Paris, to calls from some Muslim women to end what they view as an oppressive form of dress. CHF convenes a conversation to discuss the complex and sometimes contradictory responses to hijab, including Asra Nomani, journalist and author of Standing Alone in Mecca and Hoda Katebi, activist and author of Tehran Street Style, moderated by Duaa Eldeib of the Chicago Tribune.

Katebi, a senior at my own university, also has a fashion-and-politics blog at JooJoo Azad. From looking at her blog, and also knowing Asra’s views and writings, I knew that this was going to be a rather heated exchange. Nomani is a liberal Muslim and her work is largely involved in giving Muslim women equal rights, and, while favoring giving women the choice to wear a hijab, she’s opposed to mandatory wearing of the headscarf as in Iran, seeing it as a tool of female oppression. (See her article with Hala Arafa on “Hijab Day” in last December’s Washington Post, “As Muslim women, we actually ask you not to wear the hijab as a sign of interfaith solidarity,”).

Katebi wears a hijab, and has written about her reasons for so doing on her website. The first reason is that “it’s sexually liberating,” which is a bit puzzling to me, even after she explained it.

The moderator, a writer for the Chicago Tribune, also wears the hijab; here are the three of them; left to right, Nomani, Eldeib, and Katebi (all photos below by Orli Peter except where noted).

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I have to admit that I’m not completely unbiased here; I’ve long admired Asra’s work as a feminist and reformer, have written about her several times on my website, and in fact was on MSNBC with her on once in a short segment (we were in different studios) discussing whether ISIS represents “real” or “true” Islam (see here; the video is no longer up). Asra reminded me of that: I’d long since forgotten.

Here’s Asra before the debate doing her homework, i.e. reading the Qur’an:

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Below is a friendly shot before the discussion.

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As I expected, things pretty quickly became less friendly when the discussion commenced. I believe Hoda wanted this to be a conflagration, for she tweeted “Shit’s goin’ down!” the days before the talk. She later removed the tw**t after Asra pointed out that it was uncivil and had also been copied to people who harassed her (Asra) previously. Hoda also characterized herself as a “#Muslimmeangirl”, which of course refers to the movie “Mean Girls,” in which high school students conspire to bully others.
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Asra maintained that the hijab, while it should remain a personal choice, was mandatory in several Middle Eastern countries, and that its maintenance was fueled by a hijab “industry”, which promotes “Wear a Hijab Day” and whose aim is to continue and extend the subjugation of women. She tried at all times to keep the focus on those women who have no choice, and on the forces that prevent them from acquiring one.

In contrast, from the outset Hoda spoke on a more personal level, repeatedly noting how she had been mocked or reviled for wearing the hijab. In my opinion, this was more of a victimhood narrative than a political narrative, and one that led, as one person noted in the Q&A, to both speakers talking past each other. Here we had a classic conflict: an older Leftist feminist concerned with the plight of Muslims worldwide, versus a younger Authoritarian Leftist feminist far more concerned with her own identity and vilification (I am not saying here, of course, that Hoda is oblivious to the plight of her Muslim sisters elsewhere, but it didn’t seem nearly as much a priority for her as it was for Asra). In other words, it was a confrontation between Global Politics and Identity Politics.

To show this, here’s a backstory. Asra asked for some security at the event, for as a liberal reformist Muslim she is of course threatened and demonized far more (for an odious example, go here). It’s a shame that any liberal Muslim speaking in public almost requires security these days–and for obvious reasons. Hoda, however, didn’t want security, as she said that some of her black friends would be attending the event, that they have been “under surveillance” by the police, and therefore those friends didn’t want security at the event. The Chicago Humanities Festival, however, did finally hire plainclothes security. I would think that for any empathic person the security of a speaker would take precedence over unfounded worries about “surveillance” of friends.

I don’t want to make this too long, and there will be a complete video up soon (I’ll add it here if it’s up today), but a few more points:

  • Hoda constantly noted that Muslims are a diverse group, and do not even agree as a majority on any issues. Her point seemed to be that many women put on the hijab as a choice, while others have it forced upon them. I of course agree on the diversity of Muslim views, but on the issue of subjugation of women there is pretty much agreement in the Muslim community worldwide. I’ve shown the figure below from the 2013 Pew Report on the world’s Muslims, and will show it again:

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It would be even worse if Iran and Saudi Arabia were included, and I’d say that this is evidence that throughout the Muslim world, or at least in Muslim-majority countries, women are pretty much second-class citizens. (That, of course, is mandated by sharia law, also widely—but not as strongly—favored in these countries.)

  • And let me add this as well for those who claim that Muslims are very diverse in their opinions. Remember that countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Iran weren’t surveyed—for obvious reasons. homosexuality
  • Both speakers, then, agreed that the hijab should be a matter of choice. But the question remains, “How can you determine who wears the hijab by “choice”, without external compulsion?” (I’m not going to get into free will here.) Asra noted that girls as young as 5 or 6 in American Muslim schools are forced to wear the hijab, and thus to internalize the view that women are vessels of honor and sexuality, carrying the responsibility to not inflame men by showing their bodies (including hair). And if you’re brought up as a Muslim to wear the hijab, how do we know that you’d wear the hijab without compulsion? The evidence is that many women wouldn’t: there wouldn’t be a need for morality police to enforce its wearing in Iran, or for the #mystealthyfreedom Facebook page in which Iranian women bravely remove their hijabs. And, of course, women were not nearly as veiled in countries like Iran and Afghanistan before they came under Muslim theocracy. These fact clearly mean that many women in those countries would dispense with the hijab were they not forced to wear it. And how many women in the U.S. or England, for example, would also remove it if they didn’t fear being seen by Muslim Mean Girls as “bad Muslims” if they did? Sadly, the concept of “choice” was not touched on at all in the discussion.
  • To Hoda’s credit, she said that she “denounced” the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia for making hijabs and other coverings compulsory, as well as the government of France for prohibiting it, and that her denunciations have appeared in her fashion book Tehran Streetstyle.
  • Relevant to this, Asra told me before the debate that she thought it was the responsibility of women who did have a choice (like Hoda) to help extend the same choice to women under compulsion—that is, to make Islam a more woman-friendly and woman-tolerant faith. I thought that statement summed up her own position (and actions) very well, but, sadly, she didn’t say that in her presentation. That statement sums up my own view on the issue.
  • Hoda blamed things like the mistreatment of women under Islam on “Western imperialism.”  My own view is that this is a misguided statement, and if you believe that, then you can pin anything bad done in any Islamist country on imperialism. That kind of blaming has its limits.
  • Finally, in the Q&A, the last question came from a woman wearing a hijab. She asked Asra, after reciting a litany of Asra’s liberal views, “Why are you still a Muslim?” (Believe me, she does consider herself a Muslim, as I questioned her closely about that at dinner!). It was a question that was pretty rude, but it was also a softball, and Asra hit it out of the park. (You can guess what her answer was.) But I’ll leave the answer for the video, which I’ll post either here or separately when it’s available. Just let me say that there was loud applause after her answer.

Anyway, it was a pretty heated exchange, but one that provided a lot of food for thought, and the audience lingered a long time afterwards talking to the speakers and to each other. They finally had to be shooed out of the Art Institute.  Several of us then repaired for dinner and postmortem at Russian Tea Time, a restaurant across the street.

Here is Asra and one of her BFF’s, Dr. Orli Peter, a psychologist from Los Angeles. Orli flew all the way across the country to support her friend.

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In the Green Room before the debate, Asra and I exchanged books. She brought her son Shibli along; he’s a budding scientist and so he’s holding WEIT. I’m holding my autographed copy of Asra’s book, Standing Alone in Mecca: An  American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam. 

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And here’s dinner afterwards, with big glasses of tea and the Tower O’ Treats (my name), an offering of both sweet and savory pastries to accompany tea. We talked for several hours before we had to repair home in the cold Chicago rain—without head coverings.

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