Glenn Loury and John McWhorter video: an interesting show

June 1, 2025 • 11:00 am

As I say repeatedly, I find it very difficult to listen to long videos (and long podcasts without visuals are even worse). But I happened to click on the one below, part of the biweekly Glenn Show dialogue between Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, and found it quite worthwhile, even though it’s a bit more than an hour long (Loury gives an advertisement between 11:12 and 13:14). It’s interesting because of the topics: wokeness, race, and their intersection, and McWhorter (with whom I’m on a panel in three weeks) is particularly interesting.

The first thing we learn is that Loury has left (actually been fired from) the rightish-wing Manhattan Institute. He explains why in his website post “I was fired by the Manhattan Institute. Here’s why.”:

 In short, I think they disapproved of my opposition to the Gaza War, my criticisms of Israel’s prosecution of that war, and my praise of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s meditations on the West Bank settlements.

Well, I knew that Loury was a stringent critic of Israel, but praising Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “meditations” on the West Bank, meditations that followed just 10 days visit in the Middle East and did not even mention Palestinian terrorism, isn’t something to praise.  At any rate, since Loury retired from Brown, he’s contemplating his next move, and hints that the University of Austin (UATX) has been courting him.

That leads to a brief discussion of whether schools like UATX are the wave of the future: schools that can teach humanities courses without them being polluted by extreme “social justice” mentality. Both men ponder whether universities like that are the wave of the future, and whether regular universities will devolve into “STEM academies”.  That, in turn, leads to a discussion, mostly by McWhorter, about music theory and how that, one of his areas of expertise, has been polluted by wokeness.

The biggest segment of the discussion involves McWhorter’s recent visit to Washington’s National Museum of African American History and Culture, and his thoughts about it (read his long NYT op-ed piece, which is very good, here). McWhorter characterizes it as not a dolorous place but a “happy place,” and one that gives a balanced view of black history—a view in which black people are more than simple oppressed people who serve to remind the rest of us of their guilt. It portrays as well, he avers, the dignity and positive accomplishment of African Americans. (McWhorter compares the dolorous view of black history with the narrative pushed by Nikole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 Project.)  His description makes me want to visit that museum more than ever (I haven’t yet been but will, and I must also visit the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum).

Finally, they discuss the question of whether they were wrong to be so hard on DEI, given that some aspects of it (e.g., a call for equality) are positive. Here McWhorter is at his most eloquent, saying that, given the overreach of DEI, it was imperative for both of them to have criticized it. As McWhorter notes, the extreme construal of DEI did not “fight for the dignity of black people” and, he says, in the face of that extremist ideology, their silence would not have been appropriate. Loury agrees.  At this point McWhorter brings up Claudine Gay, ex-President of Harvard, claiming that she was hired simply because she was a black woman, which was “wrong and objectifying.” (Only McWhorter could get away from saying something like that.) The elevation of Gay, says McWhorter, was the sort of thing they were pushing back against when they opposed DEI.

This is worth a listen, and I’ve put the video below.

Bill Maher (entire show)

April 19, 2025 • 8:00 am

YouTube will almost certainly take down this video of Bill Maher’s entire show from yesterday, so I’m putting it up early today. Listen while you can! I’ve given the schedule below.

Intro (Maher monologue): 0-7:17

Douglas Murray: 7:17-18:15 (He talks about the topic of his new book, On Democracies and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization.

Panel: Author and libertarian Matt Welch and Democratic Senator (Minnesota) Tina Smith: 18:17-47:03

Second comedy bit (Maher monologue; “New Rules”): 47:06-57:51

Douglas Murray is always good value, especially when he talks about Israel and Palestine (as he does here), and the “New Rules” bit is pretty good. They should have given him more time.

WELL, THEY TOOK IT DOWN. But you can at least hear Maher’s “New Rule” segment, which is about “The Not-Working Class”

and here’s the short intro:

and here is the non-broadcasted “overtime”. The first topic of discussion is the UK Supreme Court’s new ruling that there are two sexes and no more.

Dawkins and Pinker discuss evolution

March 13, 2025 • 11:15 am

Here’s Richard Dawkins ostensibly discussing his new book (The Genetic Book of the Dead) with Steve Pinker, but of course you can’t confine a discussion between these two to a single book. Even from the beginning it ranges widely, in which Pinker discusses not only the epiphany that The Selfish Gene gave him, but levels some trenchant criticisms at Lewontin and Gould’s attacks on adaptationism, and (to my delight) at Gould’s theory of punctuated equilibrium, which never held any water save (perhaps) as the notion that fossil evolution proceeds at varying rates. (People often forget that the novel parts that Gould saw about punc. eq. was its mechanism not its speed: a mechanism that involved questionable propositions like leaping adaptive valleys, macromutations, and species selection (see here for a summary of my beefs with punc. eq., along with scientific references). I myself crossed swords with Gould about these issues, and have concluded that his greatest contribution to science was not any novel paleontological discoveries, but his popularization of evolution in his Natural History essays. (Even those were misleading when they discussed adaptation and punctuated equilibrium.)

Other things discussed: the ubiquity of selection, the nature and importance of epigenetics, the motivation for Richard writing several of his many books, and even “the meaning of life.”  I’ve listened to about 40 minutes of this discussion, but my tolerance for any podcast, even one with these big brains, is limited.  At 1:05:15 begins a Q&A session in which Steve reads audience questions written on cards.

Notice Steve’s cowboy boots, custom made by Lee Miller in Austin.

Coyne’s Rule of Conversation

March 12, 2025 • 12:00 pm

Along with the other rules I’ve proposed (e.g., “button your shirt from the bottom up and you’ll never mis-button”), I have one that I’m sure I’ve mentioned here before. However, the pandemic seems to have had a lasting effect on the incidence of logorrhea, and so I will propose this one again, with a couple of qualifiers. First, the rule, which is mine. It’s coming.  Here it is:

In general, in a conversation between two individuals, you should limit yourself to no more than three sentences in a row before the other person gets to speak.

There are of course exceptions.  If someone is telling you a story, giving you instructions, or has a problem or is distraught, then, yes, they can speak longer and you should be more patient.  Or if you’ve being interviewed, you can go longer, for they can cut the transcript; and anyway, the purpose of an interview is to give the interviewee more airtime than the interviewer.

I’m sure there are other exceptions as well. What I am referring to is polite social discourse, which should involve an exchange between individuals—a fair exchange. I’m sure you’ve chafed when someone runs on and on and on, which seems self-absorbed; so you understand the value of “fair conversational exchange. I have found that three sentences is about the optimum length to ensure a decent conversation, but of course remember that this rule reflects my judgement and limited patience.

Upcoming talk and new book on ideology and science

February 27, 2025 • 9:00 am

I have two announcements this morning:

a.) First, next Monday, Mar 3 at 12:30 Chicago time (1:30 Eastern time), I am having a 1-1½-hour discussion with DIAGdemocrats  (“DIAG” stands for Democrats with an Informed Approach to Gender. And their slogan is “Liberals guiding our party back to reason and reality.” It’s tailor made for me!) Their “who we are” description is here, and the mission statement here. But there’s a lot of other stuff, including critiques of existing claims and studies involving gender. You can even send emails to your representatives in Congress from the site.

DIAGdemocrats also has a YouTube channel of previous discussions here, an Instagram page here,. and a Facebook page here.

The topic of our discussion is in the headline below, which I believe will link to the discussion on Twitter when you click on it (it will also be archived). We’ll be talking about various things, including the KerFFRFle with the Freedom From Religion Foundation that led to the resignation of Richard Dawkins, Steve Pinker, and I.  But the discussion is likely to be wide-ranging and there will be a Q&A at the end.

As you can tell from the group’s name and the website linked above, it is is dedicated to a rational, science-informed approach to gender issues.

b.) And I want to call attention to this upcoming book edited by Lawrence Krauss; it’ll be available starting July 29 (I believe there will be an audiobook later). Click on the screenshot to go to the Amazon site:

Here’s the Amazon blurb:

An unparalleled group of prominent scholars from wide-ranging disciplines detail ongoing efforts to impose ideological restrictions on science and scholarship throughout western society.

From assaults on merit-based hiring to the policing of language and replacing well-established, disciplinary scholarship by ideological mantras, current science and scholarship is under threat throughout western institutions. As this group of prominent scholars ranging across many different disciplines and political leanings detail, the very future of free inquiry and scientific progress is at risk. Many who have spoken up against this threat have lost their positions, and a climate of fear has arisen that strikes at the heart of modern education and research. Banding together to finally speak out, this brave and unprecedented group of scholars issues a clarion call for change.

I’ve put a list of the authors below. The contents include the second and unpublished part of Richard Dawkins’s essay on sex, a slightly revised version of my essay with Luana Maroja, “The Ideological Subversion of Biology,” plus a bunch of pieces appearing for the first time.  There are six sections as well as an introduction and afterword by Krauss. Keep your eye open for further announcements here or a view of the contents that will likely appear on the Amazon site.

Dorian Abbot

John Armstrong

Peter Boghossian

Maarten Boudry

Alex Byrne

Nicholas A. Christakis

Roger Cohen

Jerry Coyne

Richard Dawkins

Niall Ferguson

Janice Fiamengo

Solveig Lucia Gold

Moti Gorin

Karleen Gribble

Carole Hooven

Geoff Horsman

Joshua T. Katz

Sergiu Klainerman

Lawrence M. Krauss

Anna Krylov

Luana Maroja

Christian Ott

Bruce Pardy

Jordan Peterson

Steven Pinker

Richard Redding

Arthur Rousseau

Gad Saad

Sally Satel

Lauren Schwartz

Alan Sokal

Alessandro Strumia

Judith Suissa

Alice Sullivan

Jay Tanzman

Abigail Thompson

Amy Wax

Elizabeth Weiss

Frances Widdowson

I am flying

January 16, 2025 • 9:34 am

Late this morning I fly from Burbank to Chicago (there’s a nonstop flight!) and will be home this evening. Yesterday was no-diet day, including a visit to Blinkie’s donuts, a homemade cake for me, lunch at In-N-Out Burger, and dinner at a nice Asian restaurant.

There was a disaster in my hotel room, with water suddenly spouting up from the bathroom sink drain and flooding the room (the cause is unknown). I had to flee to a new room before everything got soaked, and in the rush threw my back out! Oy! I had to sleep on the wrong (left side) to ameliorate the pain.

But I kvetch.  Today I’ll ask readers to discuss the Issues of the Day, foremost among them being the on-again off-again ceasefire deal to end the Gaza War. It looked all wrapped up, but now the Israeli cabinet has held up finalization, saying that Hamas added extra demands.  My main concern about this deal is that it appears to leave Hamas in power, which would be a disaster for Israel.

But I have to pack, so please discuss any issues you want today, and I should be back in action by Friday, or Caturday at the latest.

Bonus photo taken by Carole Hooven: Luana Maroja (right), Julia Schaletzky, and I during our discussion at the USC conference.

More on the KerFFRFle about “what is a woman?”

January 2, 2025 • 11:45 am

The fallout from the FFRF fracas, which I call the “KerFFRFle”, continues. There is plenty of negative commentary about me, some of it indeed hateful (one jerk commented that he was glad, when Steve, Richard, and I resigned from the FFRF’s honorary board, that the “trash took itself out”), but you can find that for yourself. Indeed, much of this pushback is characterized by name-calling and “old white men” tropes rather than scientific or even philosophical argumentation, and doesn’t deserve response. At any rate, this post gives examples of reputable people (and not all of them are “old white men” who feel that I (as well as Steve and Richard) made useful points that deserve to be debated.  However, Turley’s piece below links to one harsh critique of what I wrote.

First, a piece from Ronald Lindsay, the editor of the Center for Inquiry‘s (CFI’s) magazine Free Inquiry and former president of the CFI.  The CFI remains one organization that studiously avoids ideological capture, and I’d recommend that readers consider joining it. I’m one of the CFI’s Committee for Skeptical Inquiry’s Fellows, and I highly doubt that I’ll ever have to resign! They’ve also reprinted my “Biology is Not Bigotry” piece, ensuring that it won’t disappear from the Internet. Besides being archived in two places, about four other sites have kindly reprinted it.

Click on all headlines to go to the pieces. I’ll give brief excerpt of each piece:

An excerpt:

FFRF’s removal of Coyne’s post was unwarranted and Barker and Gaylor’s curious apology shows they are no longer proponents of freethought, however much their organization may advocate for church-state separation. Being a freethinker implies a willingness to consider arguments that challenge one’s beliefs and to conform one’s beliefs to the evidence. Barker and Gaylor’s abrupt removal of Coyne’s post shows that for them the claim that sex is non-binary can never be challenged; it must be accepted as dogma.

And exactly which “values and principles” did Coyne’s essay violate? Coyne made no disparaging remarks about transgender individuals. To the contrary, as indicated, Coyne was at pains to point out he supports civil rights for transgender individuals, and presumably Barker and Gaylor do not take issue with that stance. No, what Barker and Gaylor apparently vehemently oppose—to the extent of censoring an essay and issuing an apology—is a science-based argument that sex is binary and cannot be changed at will. Furthermore, the harm they identify as caused by the essay is the “distress” felt by those reading it.

I hope I would not have to remind readers that one of the arguments used for centuries by religious institutions and advocates to justify censoring of religious criticism, including science-based criticism, is that it causes “distress” and violates cherished values. To have Barker and Gaylor echo religious censors goes beyond ironic; it is a travesty.

Next up, Robert Goodday.  He actually wrote four related posts on the issue on his “Carolina Curmudgeon” Substack site, and added this note:

My own thoughts about the FFRF events, in 4 easy-to-read substack postings 🙂

Click the titles to go to his posts.

An excerpt:

Since then, events have occurred that have resulted in several of the leading members of the FFRF advisory board resigning from the organization. The problems really started when Jerry Coyne, an honorary FFRF board member, wrote an article critiquing Grant’s essay. Coyne had been told by the co-presidents of FFRF that his critique would be published online by the organization — and it was — but only for a very brief period of time. In a rather shameful act of disrespect and betrayal of their principles, after FFRF received one or more complaints about Coyne’s essay (complaints that apparently claimed that Coyne’s critique was causing unnamed trans individuals distress), FFRF removed Coyne’s article – without even have the courtesy to inform Coyne of what they were planning to do and without even replying when Coyne wrote to ask why his article had been taken down.

In my next posting, I’ll focus on an email interaction I had two years ago with Annie Laurie Gaylor, one of the two co-presidents (along with Dan Barker) of FFRF. My third posting will critically analyze the original “What is a woman” essay. The fourth will comment on FFRF’s statement that the co-presidents posted to explain and justify removing Coyne’s article.

An excerpt:

Two years ago, Kat Grant, the individual who wrote the “What is a woman?” essay for FFRF, participated in a podcast interview that focused on a discussion of trans ideology. At that time, in response to what was said during that podcast, I wrote to the presidents of FFRF raising questions regarding some of the conclusions that I heard being espoused on that podcast. I was pleased to receive a reply that same day from Annie Laurie Gaylor, one of the organization’s co-presidents. However — I was not impressed with the shallowness of the content of her reply, and so, not being the kind of person who shies away from continuing that kind of discussion, I wrote back to Gaylor to highlight questions I had raised that she had not addressed. Not surprisingly, I never received any acknowledgement of that second email. A copy of these emails is posted below.

You can read the emails at the link.

An excerpt:

Overall, I would give Kat Grant’s essay a “D” grade (but only because I’m feeling in a generous mood – having just finished consuming a large Starbucks coffee, so my mood is under the influence of a considerable amount of caffeine – and the essay does not contain spelling errors). The reason I could not bring myself to give the essay a higher grade is because it: (i) includes factual errors, (ii) involves sloppy reasoning, (iii) repeatedly engages in begging the question, (iv) includes discussions that are simply not relevant to the issue that is purportedly the focus of the essay, and (v) never actually does answer the question posed by the essay’s title.

. . . I’m actually going to start my critique by discussing the final sentence of the essay – which is the only sentence that involves any effort on Grant’s part to provide an answer to the question posed by the essay’s title. Of course, what I had anticipated would be Grant’s definition of a “woman” is the definition that lies at the heart of trans ideology; according to that view, a woman is anyone who feels or even just says that they are a woman (see, for example, psychiatrist Jack Turban’s discussion of male and female gender identity in a recent article in the NY Times). This is, in fact, the only definition of “woman” that COULD be compatible with trans ideology — because it is the only definition compatible with the oft-chanted trans ideology refrain that “trans women are women”.

The problem with this definition, though, is patently obvious; it involves perfectly circular reason, such that it provides exactly zero clarity about what it is that trans women who claim to be women are claiming that they are. Indeed, the trans ideology definition of “woman” may represent the platonic ideal of what circular reasoning entails.

An excerpt. The part in italics is from the FFRF’s statement on why they removed my piece:

FFRF and its new legislative arm, FFRF Action Fund, will do everything we can to defeat President-elect Trump’s draconian vow that the official policy of the U.S. government will be that “there are only two genders, male and female.” We are already gearing up to fight his promise to end the “transgender lunacy” on day one of his administration.

Wow. I had never realized that when I donated to FFRF, I was indirectly donating to another, much larger, organization: Human Rights Campaign. It’s not that I’m opposed to much of what HRC supports (although I certainly don’t support ALL of their efforts), but I had always thought that the mission of FFRF was different from that of HRC. I always thought that FFRF was an organization focused like a laser on the separation of church and state. If I wanted to donate to an organization (HRC) focused specifically on lesbian and gay and trans activism, I would have. If FFRF has so much money that it doesn’t need that $50K for its own specific efforts that focus directly on ITS specific mission – then I guess I’m a fool for having donated money to them so consistently over the years. My bad.

The larger point – and what I think is the most important issue that has been raised by this whole rather sordid set of events involving the FFRF – is that I think the FFRF should STAY IN ITS LANE. We need an organization to focus specifically on separation of church and state issues, and FFRF should have let other organizations focus on other issues – however worthwhile the efforts of those other organizations may be. When I first wrote to FFRF 20 months ago, this was exactly the issue I tried to raise with FFRF co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor. Sadly, it is apparent that FFRF is now becoming just another progressive ideology organization — and like other far left progressive organizations, FFRF is now worshipping at the altar of trans ideology.

This is from Sarah Haider’s Substack. It makes me a bit sad because although I’ve always admired Sarah’s writing and work (she was a cofounder of Ex-Muslims of North America), she is, while remaining a nonbeliever, leaving the atheist “community:

An excerpt:

This past week, a drama has been unfolding at the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). It seems that they published a piece by an intern (Kat Grant) on the definition of “woman” in their newsletter, Freethought Today. You can read the piece here if you like, but I’ll spoil it for you: Grant thinks a woman is whoever claims to be one. Thankfully, they invited the distinguished biologist Jerry Coyne for a rebuttal defending the biological definition, but then hastily took it down, calling it “an error of judgement” that does not reflect their values. Understandably outraged, Coyne resigned from the FFRF honorary board, as did Richard Dawkins and Steven Pinker.

While they are saying goodbye to FFRF, I think it might be a good time for me to say goodbye to organized atheism altogether.

This is not, to be clear, a goodbye to atheism. Despite the reports of famous re-conversions of former-atheists like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I cannot find God in my heart (or even a “God-shaped hole”). The switch has flipped; the myth has fully unraveled and been replaced by an understanding of the world that sits firm in my mind (far more comfortably than faith ever did). On this point, I don’t believe there is a way back for me. (I nearly wish I could manage some wiggle room here, if only so that I can understand what it is that my newly-religious friends are feeling and accepting. But no such luck.)

Still, I have become friendlier to the idea of religion as a social good as of the past few years, and now (more controversially), I even feel that there are intellectual benefits to faith too–or at least, to some forms of it. Much of this is informed by my experiences working within the atheist activism space, and by my resulting intellectual drift.

I would urge you to support Sarah’s work by considering a donation here.

Finally, from Jonathan Turley‘s website (he’s a legal scholar, writer, and professor at George Washington University Law School):

An excerpt:

The resignations from the FFRF raised some of the same points made by “old guard” figures who have left the ACLU over its own abandonment of neutrality and  effort “to adhere to ‘progressive’ political or ideological positions.”

There is a worthy debate over transgender issues in science. Dr. Coyne was attempting to contribute to that debate. Yet, many prefer to work to silence others rather than respond to opposing views. Indeed, I was hoping that Kat Grant would come out to support Dr. Coyne in his effort to offer such a critique of her work.

Liberals have come out in support of the censorship, dismissing Coyne as someone who simply “rehashes the right-wing talking point” and “promot[es] this kind of hate.” (This commentator noted that his views were published on BlueSky, a site that has become a safe space for liberals who do not want to be triggered by opposing views).

The intolerance for opposing views is so great that the FFRF is willing to engage in atheist orthodoxy, which not long ago would have been viewed as a contradiction in terms. It is a disgraceful position for a group that once defended those banned or canceled for their views. It is a moment that reminds one of what Robert Oppenheimer said about physicists, but it is particularly poignant for these atheists who have joined a mob to silence: they “have known sin; and this is a knowledge which they cannot lose.”