About ten days ago I reported on the first public showing of the anti-Israel film “NAZA,” made by two Israelis. Its premise was the IDF had, during the Gaza war, engaged in the deliberate targeting of civilians using AI, not caring about how many civilians they killed and, in fact, killing as many as possible (the “genocide” trope). The movie apparently used information from 24 anonymous IDF sources, and showing of the movie has been highly restricted. In fact, I wasn’t sure whether it had been shown beyond the Venice Film Festival, where it got not only a prize but a standing ovation that was 24½ minutes long: the longest in the history of the festival. Grok now tells me that it’s been shown at a festival in Bologna as well, and there are plans for a wider release. But most people haven’t seen it, including the IDF. Some of its approbation comes from the fact that it was directed by two Israelis, who, of course, couldn’t possibly be showing stuff that was wrong or distorted.
Nevertheless, you can tell a lot about the movie’s premise from this short , 83-second trailer, which has English subtitles. And some of the film’s contents have leaked.
The premise is that there was an IDF program to deliberately kill civilians, whether directly or as “collateral damage” (the meaning of the word “Naza”), and in some strikes up to 500 Gazan civilians were killed. The video by Natasha Hausdorff and the two articles in the Times of Israel below vigorously dispute this allegation, though you can dismiss them, if you wish, because those sources are either Israeli or sympathetic to Israel. But before you join the Stalinesque-wave of applause for NAZA (remember from The Gulag Archipelago that the first person who stopped applauding for the Russian leader was arrested), hear them out.
The 26-minute take by Hausdorff, who hasn’t seen the movie, is based on what has been made public about the movie and its trailer. She clearly explains the rule of proportionality as obeyed by the IDF and the ways the IDF warned civilians of imminent attacks. NAZA apparently ignores Hausdorff’s point: estimating “collateral damage” before a strike is a legal obligation, not a nefarious exercise. As she says:
“And what the filmmakers do is present the modeling of incidental harm to a lay audience as though it were some cold Israeli invention devised for the purpose of justifying slaughter. Well, it isn’t an Israeli invention—it’s the law. And it’s precisely intended to minimize excessive harm to civilians. Pre-strike collateral damage estimation is the standard practice in every law-abiding Western military—that includes Americans and NATO forces. It’s the procedural tool that compels a commander to confront the presence of non-combatants before a weapon is ever released.”
She goes on to explain what kind of civilian assessment and damage do and do not constitute war crimes. As for the “death of 500 civilians” accusation in NAZA, it’s been strongly denied by the IDF; indeed, no attack was approved to eliminate a Hamas commander, however powerful he be, that would kill more than 100 civilians. Hausdorff also denies that decisions about where and who are attacked by the IDF are made by machines rather than humans; here the IDF has already published its protocol, which involves three different groups of people.
As for the anonymous IDF souces, Hausdorff avers that, “From an evidential standpoint, these accounts are unverified in every respect that actually matters. We don’t know who these individuals are. We don’t know what roles they had. And we don’t know they are who the filmmakers say they are.” This means that neither Israel nor anybody else can establish whether the accounts are true.
Second, this Times of Israel by Sarit Zehavi (click to read) also casts strong doubt on the film’s premise, for Zehavi, who was willing to be interviewed but wasn’t asked, helped construct the very system of estimating civilian casualties. (She is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Israeli IDF reserve.) Click the headline to read.
An excerpt:
The creators of the recent documentary, “NAZA,” about “Naza” (a Hebrew military acronym for Nezek Agavi – collateral damage) did not have to work too hard to discover the truth.
They could have simply interviewed me. I would have stood in front of the camera, without hiding my identity, on the roof of my house nine kilometers (5.6 miles) from Lebanon, where we endured endless barrages of rockets, and explained the reality on the ground.
A little less than 20 years ago, I was one of the founders of the unit within the IDF that deals with warning populations on the other side of enemy lines and preserving civilian lives.
We built the processes that define how to issue evacuation warnings, and how to track evacuations. I was personally involved in formulating target approval processes and operational discussions.
If they had spoken with me, I would have explained that the chart shown at the beginning of the film’s promotional material is not a “killing chart,” but rather a planning chart for a target identified as being used by Hamas.
Its purpose is to determine whether to strike at all, who in the command echelon is authorized to approve the strike, with what munitions, and under what conditions. In stark contrast to the way it is presented in the promotional material, when the words “Naza 500 – collateral damage estimated at 500” appear in the approval process, it means that action must be taken to reduce the collateral damage.
There are a variety of ways to do this, such as issuing an evacuation warning, using precision munitions, or canceling the strike entirely. Noting the collateral damage on the target sheet does not signify an intention to kill civilians or commit “genocide”; it is intended, first and foremost, to prevent civilian deaths.
Our enemies, both Hamas and Hezbollah, deliberately place their rockets and headquarters in the heart of civilian areas, in tunnels under Beirut or in high-rise residential buildings in southern Lebanon. Hamas in Gaza does the same, operating in civilian areas and using children as human shields. They do this on the working assumption that if Israel strikes without warning, hundreds of civilians will be killed. That is exactly their goal. But Israel chooses differently: there are hundreds of soldiers and officers in the IDF whose sole role is protecting civilians in enemy territory. That is what they think about from the moment they wake up in the morning.
I would have expected a serious examination of this subject to include the perspective of former IDF personnel, like me, as well as serving soldiers and officers who are familiar with these procedures and could explain the professional meaning of collateral-damage assessments. Based on the promotional materials I have seen, that perspective is absent.
The promo for the film claims that the IDF “never checks the number of civilians killed.”
The truth is that checking the exact number of casualties in enemy territory in real time is a complex and nearly impossible task. This is exactly why the collateral damage assessment process takes into account factors such as the size of the structure and the estimated number of civilians routinely in its vicinity.
. . .According to IDF officials quoted in the Israeli media, the filmmakers did not seek the military’s response before the film was released, and the IDF learned of its claims through the media. The IDF spokesperson later publicly asked to view the full documentary in order to respond to its allegations. If the filmmakers, both of them investigative journalists, have declined to disclose their film or findings to the IDF, that would be contrary to basic journalistic ethics.
Without knowing more about the film’s anonymous sources, it is impossible to know what roles the interviewees held within the system, and whether their accounts, assuming they are authentic, are even relevant to understanding the chain of approvals and actions taken prior to striking a target.
The promotional materials released so far present the story from a very narrow angle: they rely on anonymous sources whose level of involvement, rank, and understanding of the process are unclear, while completely omitting the experts who built these systems with one goal: preserving human life. There are such experts. I was one of them.
The article below by Omer Shem Tov is based on an op-ed he wrote in the Wall Street Journal. It’s not all that germane to the film but I’m throwing in the links here for information.
Shem Tov was a hostage kidnapped on October 7, and recounts the lengths Israel went to not to kill him by accident:
Shem Tov, who was kidnapped on October 7, 2023, from the Nova music festival near the Gaza border, recounted an instance when the mother of one of his captors received a phone call from the IDF warning her of an imminent airstrike.
“Hamas knew where I was and left me to die. Israel didn’t know my location, but it knew where my captor’s mother was and called to make sure she wasn’t killed accidentally,” he wrote. “There I was — kidnapped, starved and tortured by her son — while my army was trying to keep his mother alive.”
He said his captors in Gaza celebrated death and destruction on both sides: “For Hamas, destruction itself could be victory. As long as there was death on either side, Hamas could win.”
Shem Tov said that “Israel desperately wanted me home. But not at any price. There were Palestinian civilians between Israel and me. So Israel dropped leaflets, sent messages, made phone calls and ordered evacuations. It tried to minimize NAZA, or collateral damage.”
. . The freed hostage suggested that Israel “paid a price” for its efforts to reduce civilian casualties: “They gave Hamas time. They exposed Israeli soldiers to greater danger. And they left hostages like me waiting longer.”
“If Israel had cared less about NAZA, perhaps I would have come home sooner,” he added. “Fewer Israeli soldiers might have died. Fewer hostages might have died. But more Palestinians would have.”
Shem Tov wrote that he is troubled by reports about the documentary film, which he notes that he also hasn’t seen in full.
“In Venice, the film received a standing ovation that lasted more than 24 minutes,” he said. “As a former hostage, those minutes felt like a shower of knives. Not because the film shows Palestinian suffering, which is real and deserves to be seen. What hurts is that the film, as it has been reported, doesn’t seem to see me.”
The former captive said that to the filmmakers, “perhaps I am NAZA too. Collateral damage. A Jewish hostage who could have been left to rot in a Hamas tunnel, or murdered alongside my friends at Nova, because fighting to free me, and to protect Israelis from the people who did this, is itself treated as morally suspect.”
The lengths that Israel went to to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties—the dropping of leaflets, the phone calls to civilians in buildings scheduled for bombing, the “knock on the door”—an innocuous bomb dropped whose noise would alert people to evacuate—and the announcement of “safe areas” for evacuation—all this has been announced publicly and not contested, even by the New York Times. And it gives the lie to the idea that the IDF wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible. If they really wanted to perpetrate a genocide, why the delivery of food and polio vaccine to Gaza? Why these warnings? Why no bombing of the West Bank? What army engaged in a war has ever taken these precautions? And now this film, which apparently stimulates huge approbation by Israel- and Jew-haters everywhere.
I never even thought much about anti-semitism before October 7 three years ago, but now that it’s apparently stimulated a huge outpouring of belief in Big Lies, like the Genocide Myth, I have no choice but to conclude that antisemitism is ubiquitous, and simply was repressed until the Hamas attack gave it an excuse to emerge.
No, it’s not all about Netanyahu (Israel will be hated no matter who becomes Prime Minister), and no, it’s not all about Zionism (“Zionist” has become a euphemism for “Jew”). It’s about hatred of Jews, pure and simple. As I’m a nonbelieving Jew and never banged on about antisemitism before October 7, I am confident in these conclusions. You will never find a purveyor of the Genocide Lie who will admit that they’re wrong, but the evidence shows they are wrong. And the makers of NAZA, and those who so fervently applaud that film, also perpetuate the Big Lie. As does the British Government with its chowderheaded boycott of Jewish products in false hopes that it will bring about the impossible: a “two-state solution.” I agree with Bill Maher that those who spread the Genocide Lie are at the same time spreading antisemitism.
There are but 16 million Jews in the world, with about half of them in Israel, yet that tiny country, the only democracy in the Middle East, and a the only place where women, gays, and ethnic minorities have equal rights, seems to be the focus of the world’s damnation. The explanation is clear.


I don’t know, PCC: personally, I suspect that highlighting that attacks are limited to a 100:1 civiliian to leader casualty ratio isn’t the winning argument you seem to think it is.
YMMV, and it’s your living room of course.
But I don’t think I’m alone in believing that highlighting the reduction of the # of bodies in the room from 500 to 100 makes it particularly attractive: you’ve still got 100 dead civilians distracting from the parlour socializing 🤷♂️
Anyway, perhaps once some of these critics have actually seen the film, their criticisms might become more meaningful.
You aren’t reading enough. Those commanders would be ones in charge of ordering attacks on Israel that could kill many people, including involvement in Oct. 7 or firing many rockets. It’s not just one Hamas member involved in the calculations, AS YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN HAD YOU LISTENED TO HAUSDORFF’S VIDEO. The calculations depend on the military benefit of eliminating a certain person, and that varies from person to person. I never said that a 100:1 ratio was a winning argument; my point was a 500:1 ratio was an erroneous claim.
I don’t seem to hear you beefing about the U.S.’s genocide during WWII when the ratio of dead civilians to military casualties in Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was far higher than 500:1.
Oh, and by the way, please stop using a variety of different IPN numbers and email addresses.
The ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza after the October 7th atrocities is somewhere between 1.5:1 and 2:1. Your 100 and 500 numbers are disingenuous (and, I believe, deliberately so).
I’m just quoting the figures that Hausdorff mentioned. I’m not sure that any specific calculation of killing a big Hamas guy who threatened many Jews involved accepting “collateral damage” of even 100 people.
Sorry for the confusion, I was responding to James McCloskey, not to your original post.
It is surely no coincidence that the title chosen for this film, Naza (even if it is a Hebrew acronym), sounds a lot like “Nazi”. Accusing Israel of “genocide” and making “concentration camps” is a deliberate libel intended to equate the actions of the descendants of the victims of the holocaust with the Nazis who really did attempt genocide and create concentration camps. Any collateral damage is a tragic loss of life, but no military force in the history of modern warfare has done more to avoid civilian deaths than the IDF.
Oh, because the Jews are crafty and sly when going about their genocides, of course. Nothing anti-Semitic about that at all.
The success of Israel actually counts against it, since the higher standard of living and increased freedoms are used as a contrast to Gaza. If you assume that well-being is a zero sum game and victims have no agency or accountability, prosperity and human rights must have been taken from the Palestinians.
Ouch. It is painful to be confronted with the fact that so many people are so enthusiastically ignorant. Maybe somehow they were convinced that it is a strength, that armed struggle is in the service of peace, and something about freedom.
Every leader has his or her expiration date, and Prime Minister Netanyahu may not be Prime Minister for much longer. When he eventually leaves the stage, what will happen to all those Israel critics who claim that their problem is with Netanyahu? They will find other justifications for hating Israel. Their obsession is not about Israel.
I agree. Since the future PM is at this time unknown, they cannot criticize him. As soon as Netanyahu is replaced, the same type of rhetoric will begin to be applied to the new leader.
Quillette (the online magazine) has a new article (no subscription required to read it) about how the US was accused of genocide in Vietnam. Opening paragraph:
To me, it’s clear that the claim that Israel has committed gencocide in Gaza has as much validity as the assertion that the 2020 US presidential election victory was stolen from Trump by the Democracts, and that belief in it is for many of its adherents about signaling membership in and loyalty to a social group. In both cases, it’s not about whether the content of the belief is actually true.
The Cambridge World History of Genocide: Volume 3, Genocide in the Contemporary Era, 1914–2020 (Cambridge Univ Press, 2025, 800 pages) has no chapter about the US’s military intervention in Vietnam. Obviously, the US waged war in Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism in the region (see Wikipedia article on Domino Theory), not to eliminate the Vietnamese people.
I used to believe Jew hate was the same as all other bigotries until 10/7 happened, or more specifically 10/8 and the orgy of joy that followed and that was so deeply deranged that it led even to people tearing down Israeli hostage posters—they hate Israelis so much that even being asked to briefly consider their suffering made them go mad with rage. Israelis are demons who deserved it (even the ones chained in Hamas tunnels) and no other thought or feeling could be entertained.
Jew hate is different from other hatreds because it leads the hater (often sometimes unbeknowst to themselves) into more extreme forms of hatred, almost akin to a drug addiction: first they dislike Jews, then passionately hate them, then blame all the world’s problems and evil on them and want to eliminate them, but even that’s not enough, they must be dragged in the dirt and humiliated, all their sacred books and symbols dumped in the mud, made to grovel for their lives like in a Czarist pogrom.
There is an aspect of envy here that I don’t think infects other bigotries in the same way (Jewish success, brilliance and influence are deeply resented) and a metaphysical aspect, where Jews are inherently demonic and evil and don’t need to be expelled or chastened, but exterminated.
It also doesn’t help that as with the NAZA filmmakers, there always seems to be a cohort of Jews (usually secular and intellectual), who defect to the side of whoever is the Jews’ current worst enemy and validate all the worst lies about Jewish evil either out of moral narcissism or some weird Stockholm Syndrome. My wife is a Jewish writer so I understand that Jews in culture and all “Left spaces” are under intense pressure to denounce Israel and Zionism and say the G-word (or else!), but all the liberal Jews who bow to the antizionist mob (or join it) are only making things worse for themselves and for their people. Selling your soul to save your skin rarely works out in the long run.
As to the identity of the alleged IDF sources, it wouldn’t be difficult to find 24 informants of the requisite politics, especially among the junior and middle ranks of a conscripted military. Even in the U.S. all-volunteer force, it wasn’t hard to find battlefield troops who would say of Iraq that “Bush did it for the oil.” Of course, none of them had any insight into high-level intelligence debates and internal cabinet-level discussions. I suspect something similar is happening here. Almost no lower-ranking troops, and few mid-grade officers, have direct knowledge of the targeting approval process.
And I wonder, does it even dawn on these people what a modern military set on genocide would look like on the battlefield? I don’t expect the pampered and privileged to have experience with such things; I do expect them to read and have a basic understanding of history. But I reserve particular scorn for those who do know military history and nevertheless invoke the “genocide” canard. I don’t doubt some of them are sincere, but the word functions as both smear and shibboleth, all the same.
The sources could also belong to the highly intelligent Ashkenazi Jews who are the most left-wing of all Israelis, but at the same time make possible the very policies they oppose. Their contributions are critical to maintain Israel’s technological supremacy, and if they populate Unit 8200 they are also likely the sort of people who develop AI targeting systems.
Relatedly, there’s apparently an Israeli TV series in its fifth (or so) season called Fauda that is actually popular among Arabs, and is beginning to reveal reality to its viewers. From what I read about it, it sounds like the reality of the situation is beginning to find its way out. The thing I read about it is very long, otherwise I would have copied it.
From a search, Fauda seems only to have been mentioned on WEiT twice, very obliquely.