Day 2 of USC conference on Ideology in Science

January 25, 2025 • 11:45 am

Here is day 2 of our 3-day conference on Censorship in the Sciences at the University of Southern California, with all talks contained in the 6½-hour video. I will recommend one, and since I missed the bit beginning at 3:30, will give the recommendation of a friend who watched the whole day. I’ve given the whole schedule below.

The first talk you might watch is the first one of the day, a zoom talk by Stavroula Kousta, the Chief Editor of the Springer journal Nature Human Behavior. It begins at 0:00 and ends at 23:49, with the Q&A ending at 34:24.

The journal and its editor became infamous in August of 2022 when it published a paper called “Science must respect the dignity and rights of all humans” (see my post here), which notes this:

This new article in Nature Human Behavior Is well-intentioned, aiming to purge bigotry from science, but goes way over the top in three ways. First, it claims that science is complicit in structural racism at present.  That’s not true, though in the past some scientists and institutions were guilty of this. Second, it assumes that papers submitted to the journal are going to be rife with racism, bigotry, misogyny, and anti-LGBTQ+ bias that will cause “harm”, and therefore authors must be warned in a long document about their biases and how to avoid expressing them. The piece thus gives a long set of rules that actually conform to woke practice. Third, it explicitly states that even papers with publishable scientific results can be rejected if the facts presented are deemed liable to cause harm. And “harm” is often in the gut of the beholder. The article is thus a threat that unless articles conform to a specific ideological stance, they can be rejected even if the data themselves are worth publishing.

As you’ll hear, Kousta somewhat hedges her original claim that papers should not be published if they cause “harm” to readers, including psychological harm.  She notes that the journal’s guidance isn’t about suppressing clear results of research but the conclusions drawn by research. “Harm” could be conclusions—I note that there is often no clear distinction between results and conclusions—that hurt any groups whose rights are protected by international treaties.  She doesn’t discuss the hard cases, for example research reporting any differences in IQ or educational attainment between ethnic groups. She also suggests that the “harms” of research could be minimized by the journal by giving “accompanying commentary” or an “accompanying editorial.” Those, however, an implicit view by the journal that the paper cannot stand on its own. Her talk sounds like an attempt to rebut the criticisms of the paper that arose immediately.

The first question (23:53) was by journalist Jesse Singal about one example of a potentially harmful result, emphasizing the slippery-ness of the concept of “harm”.  Julia Schaletzky, on my own panel, asks the third question, and it’s a good one, dealing with “harms” whose prevention could lead to longer-term harms to the community. (Somebody should have asked Kousta to give a concrete example of a piece of research that should be deep-sixed from the journal because it harmed a group of people.)  Kousta implies that this could never happen, but it in fact a manuscript from a federally funded study, showing that giving children puberty blockers does not increase their overall psychological well-being, has been withheld (by the author, Johanna Olson-Kennedy, not by the journal) certainly because those results don’t jibe with what gender ideologists want to see.

Pinker’s tweet:

My objection to this kind of vetting of articles when the concept of “harm” is so badly slippery these days was echoed in a tweet by Steve Pinker:

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Luana recommends Cory Clark‘s talk, “From worriers to warriors: The rise of women in science and society,” which begins at 5:13:40 and ends at 5:37:01, followed by Q&A that ends at 5:48:20. Her hypothesis, which is hers, is that many of the ideological problems that plague science now, as well as some salubrious effects, are actually the result of the success of women, whose evolutionary past bequeathed them a set of behaviors different from those those of men.  Clark’s contention: women evolved to hold grudges longer than men, are more empathic than men, more egalitarian, and so on. She goes on to show surveys of sex differences bearing on cancelation and wokeness.

These differences, she says, lead to an increased emphasis on equity and on avoidance of harm, as well as to an increase in ostracism, producing not only wokeness in academia but also a cancel culture relying more heavily on female than on male beliefs. There are salubrious effects as well, such as the female emphasis on reduced animal testing and “the fall of competent but criminal men.” Women, she says, are more likely to be “social warriors.” It’s really an encouragement to take an evolutionary-psychology look at how sex differences in behavior have influenced academia. In the Q&A, Clark notes how she’s been ostracized, and one questioner says she would like to push Clark down an elevator shaft and that nursing, a woman-dominated profession, does not suffer from the problems that, Clark says, affect academia. Another questioner agrees with Clark’s patterns, but attributes them to acculturation rather than evolution.

14 thoughts on “Day 2 of USC conference on Ideology in Science

  1. I thought the set of short talks just after Day 2 morning coffee break, a compendium of “Organizational and Institutional Responses to Censorship” were particularly informative to me. A couple of new to me orgs and a nice summary of all. I recommend putting aside 90 minutes to watch and listen.

    Of particular interest might be Ilya Reviakine’s “On Samizdat” regarding Soviet hanky panky and what strikes me as where the current Trump censorship of DEI that many of us cheer, COULD very easily and dangerously go to.

    1. To help out other readers with big fingers, like mine, giving clumsy ability to work the time slide on the video this session begins at 1:47:10ish. Sorry should have included in original comment.

  2. At a censorship in science conference:
    “one questioner says she would like to push Clark down an elevator shaft ..”
    Wtf.

    1. My reaction as well. At a conference on censorship a speaker is told to shut up & die by a member of the audience? Really? I was content to just read our host’s summary and comments, but now I have to go watch the video.

    2. Sure enough: at 5:38:45, “I would like to push you down an elevator shaft.” Said by the questioner with a smile, and a hint of irony, but still the message to Clark from the questioner was clear: “You should shut up about sex differences in cultural values and behaviour.”

    3. Well, if you heard Clark talk, you would see she said that many people would like to throw her down an elevator shaft. One questioner said she would join that endeavor. I thought it was bloody rude.

    4. It was a joke in response to a joke that Cory Clark made: that, for once, she could speak at a conference where the audience didn’t want to throw her down an elevator shaft.

  3. Stavroula Kousta left a deeply unfavorable impression when I met her in London. Years later, following Steven Pinker’s stance, I chose to abstain from submitting to or reviewing for Nature Human Behavior and articulated my reasoning in a written exchange with her upon being sent a review request. Her response was both dismissive and condescending.

    (And, of course, her email signature included pronouns—a performative flourish that never fails to make me cough up metaphorical hairballs.)

  4. Thanks for that. I watched most of Volume 1. Very good.
    I’ll watch or at least have this on most of tomorrow.
    🙂

    D.A.
    NYC

  5. I just watched Cory Clark’s talk on “From worriers to warriors: The rise of women in science and society” and was pleased to see what’s also been my own hypothesis backed up with data and some good argument. My concerns about critical social justice and idententarianism (“woke”) keeps reminding me of various issues in my long history of butting heads with other girls, moms and women in groups composed of females. There’s a kind of aggressive feminine protectionism that can take over — everyone’s right, and if you disagree, you’re wrong. I’ve called it “Mommyness.” Clark’s description of female tendencies seems spot on.

    I’m guessing we’re dealing with a mix of nature and nurture here — and I doubt Clark would disagree.

    (The woman in the audience who said she’d like to “throw (Clark) down an elevator shaft” was obviously just using Clark’s own metaphor to jokingly introduce a criticism and didn’t seem genuinely angry.)

  6. I feel no urge to throw anyone down anything, but the theory that female qualities are (at least so far) incompatible with science and freedom sounds very bizarre to me. If it contains some truth, then these inborn female qualities must be supplemented by strong cultural features, because it seems that women (supposedly) exercise such a devastating influence only in English-speaking countries.

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