Monday: Hili dialogue

December 1, 2025 • 6:45 am

The Thanksgiving holiday has ended in America: it’s now Monday, December 1, 2025, and the new month has arrived. It is also the Month of Coynezaa, my personal holiday that runs from Dec. 25 through Dec. 30.

Here is the December page from the Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berry created between 1412 and 1416. It’s gorgeous, and here we see a boar hunt at the Château de Vincennes, which still exists (I’ve seen it, and it looks like the tower in the painting):

Barthélemy d’Eyck, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons

It’s also Eat a Red Apple Eay (I don’t like any of them, but prefer the tart, green Granny Smiths), National Fried Pie Day, National Peppermint Bark Day, Cyber Monday (big shopping day!), National Pie Day, and Rosa Parks Day, celebrating the day in 1955 when she refused to give up her seat to a white man on a but in Montgomery, Alabama.  That is often taken as the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement. Here’s an interview that Parks gave the BBC on the tenth anniversary of that day, recounting what happened.

Readers are welcome to mark notable events, births, or deaths on this day by consulting the December 1 Wikipedia page.

Da Nooz:

*Ukrainian and American officials are meeting in Florida to discuss America’s plan to end the Ukraine-Russia war.

A Ukrainian delegation has begun fresh talks in Florida with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President Donald Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff over the US-backed plan to end the war.

Before the meeting began, Rubio said the goal of the negotiations was to create “a pathway forward that leaves Ukraine sovereign, independent, and prosperous.”

The head of the Ukrainian delegation, Rustem Umerov, said the process would address “the security of Ukraine, about no repetition of aggression of Ukraine, about prosperity of Ukraine, about how to rebuild Ukraine.”

Does anyone think that this is what the U.S. is concerned with? But wait! There’s more:

Umerov, head of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, was appointed to head the Ukrainian team after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s powerful chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, resigned on Friday amid a corruption scandal.

Ukraine is seeking international security guarantees as part of any agreement to end the war and a ceasefire based on the current frontlines. It has rejected ceding any territory not already occupied by Russian forces.

But Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has shown little signal he’s ready to offer concessions, saying that the war would only end “once Ukrainian troops withdraw from the territories they occupy.”

Rubio met Ukrainian negotiators in Geneva last weekend, when substantial revisions were made to the original 28-point blueprintdeveloped by Witkoff and Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian sovereign wealth fund and a Kremlin special envoy.

Ukraine’s European allies said that the original plan – which was seen as highly favorable to Russia – would require “additional work.”

The negotiations come against a backdrop of persistent Russian missile and drone attacks against cities and infrastructure across Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that in the last week, Russia had used nearly 1,400 attack drones, 1,100 guided aerial bombs, and 66 missiles in attacks.

Russia is deliberately bombing civilian targets in Ukraine. Why don’t we hear anything about that, as it’s a war crime? Why isn’t Trump calling that stuff out?  It’s pathetic when our European allies, who have their own issues, nevertheless are saner about Ukraine war than is the U.S. Now I don’t know what they can do to stop the relentless Russian attack on a sovereign nation, but they could start by imposing every possible sanction on Russia.

*Northwestern University, which struck a deal with pro-Palestinian protestors to keep peace on campus, has now abandoned that deal and instead has made a deal with the Trump administration (h/t Bill).

Northwestern University on Friday agreed to terminate its deal with pro-Hamas protesters and pay the United States government $75 million to restore the nearly $1 billion in federal funds frozen over its response to anti-Semitism and racial discrimination on campus.

The university vowed to reverse the policies implemented under its “Deering Meadow Agreement” that disgraced former Northwestern president Michael Schill struck with pro-Hamas encampment organizers. The terms of that deal included recruiting two Palestinian professors and providing five full-ride scholarships to students from Gaza, as well as building special housing for Middle Eastern, North African, and Muslim students.

In response to a request for comment, a university spokesman pointed the Washington Free Beacon to a statement from interim Northwestern president Henry Bienen, who said that the settlement ends “a deeply painful and disruptive period in our university’s history.”

“As an imperative to the negotiation of this agreement, we had several hard red lines we refused to cross: We would not relinquish any control over whom we hire, whom we admit as students, what our faculty teach or how our faculty teach,” Bienen stated.

The news comes several months after Columbia University agreed to pay the federal government $200 million to end a series of investigations, beginning a wave of settlements that has since included Brown University, Cornell University, and the University of Virginia. While negotiations with Harvard University have taken significantly longer, Secretary of Education Linda McMahon said last week that a settlement is on the horizon.

The first Palestinian professor hired as part of Schill’s deal with the activists, which Northwestern has since scrubbed from its website, was Mkhaimar Abusada, an academic who serves on the boards of two purported human rights organizations—the Independent Commission for Human Rights and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights—that maintain close ties to terrorists. The former has praised Hamas and met with the terror group’s leaders, including Ismail Haniyeh, while the latter is led by a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine member and has other terrorists on its payroll.

Abusada is listed under “visiting affiliated faculty” at Northwestern, and I suspect his “visit” will not be long.

The Free Beacon apparently doesn’t realize that things that are scrubbed from websites, like Northwestern’s shameful capitulation to Hamas-lovers, are often archived, and so they missed the fact that Northwestern’s deal is in fact archived here.  Here’s part three of the deal:

3. Inclusivity

• The University will support visiting Palestinian faculty and students at risk (funding two faculty per year for two years; and providing full cost of attendance for five Palestinian undergraduates to attend Northwestern for the duration of their undergraduate careers). The University commits to fundraise to sustain this program beyond this current commitment.

• The University will provide immediate temporary space for MENA/Muslim students.

• The University will provide and renovate a house for MENA/Muslim students that is conductive to community building as soon as practicably possible upon completion of the Jacobs renovation (Expected 2026).

• The University will engage students in a process dedicated to ensuring additional support for Jewish and Muslim students within Student Affairs/Religious & Spiritual Life.

• The University will include students in a process dedicated to implementing broad input on University dining services, including residential and retail vendors on campus

*The NYT is dabbling in woo again with a dire op-ed by author Makenna Goodman called “The fool’s guide to major life decisions.”  Goodman explains why she has replaced regular therapy with—wait for it—tarot cards.  They may be cheaper, and she may have had a bad therapist, but when it comes to self-help tarot cards are pure nonsense.

I’ve always wanted to believe in a magic that transcends the human-constructed world, a universe that sees me, that can hold me when I fail to hold myself. But then again, it’s possible that wanting to believe in magic is a projection of my own laziness, my desire to cheat the system, to skip the hard work of living and summon the answer.

Instead of therapy at $100 a week (I was on the low end of a sliding scale), I invested in an astrological session every few months; at about $200 a session, I saved roughly $3,000 a year. With the astrologer, I didn’t talk much at all, and I wasn’t allowed to give a back story, which made the shocks of recognition that much more delightful when she got the details of my life right.

One has to think that she’s joking when she says stuff like all this. . . . but she’s NOT!:

It seemed that I wasn’t the only one thinking this way. According to the Pew Research Center, 30 percent of U.S. adults say they consult astrology or a horoscope, tarot cards or a fortune teller at least once a year. However, only 1 percent say they actually rely “a lot” on what they learn from these readings to make major life decisions. Recently, my husband, a carpenter, showed me the vent he had installed on the exterior of our house and asked whether or not it was too close to the kitchen window. I can pull a card for that, I joked.

During the past decade, I have explored energy work, deep trance channeling and, most recently, Tarot, and I have developed a new emotional language that feels rooted in something far from the Westernized psychologisms of talk therapy. With Tarot, I see life themes as symbolic, not endemic. Perhaps what seems like emotional distance is not unresolved trauma from watching my father die in front of me as a child, but an ethereal, intellectual aloofness as indicated by my moon in Aquarius.

Here she uses history of justify her foolishness:

We each come around to our own logic in our own ways. While many people think of astrology or Tarot as woo-woo, it’s also true that early Babylonians used astrology to predict seasons, help with agricultural planning and advise their leaders on matters of politics and war. Tarot cards have been said to play a large part in popularizing Plato’s philosophies in the 15th century.

. . . While in therapy, I got too good at telling one story. But Tarot is full of many stories. In that way, Tarot is a text. But it is not fixed; each time a new combination brings a randomness that complicates the narratives we think we know. If a situation is dark and perplexing and the cards express a similar feeling, there’s also a powerful mirroring effect. My friend, a regular Tarot practitioner, calls this a “confirmatory system”: when the cards line up with other senses and intuitions. Check, double check.

This is all justification for doing something that is in effect useless for helping with issues.  Now maybe her therapist can’t, either, but neither can astrology or tarot cards. After all, what you’re doing with the cards is getting a random card or cards and then reading meaning into them. I’m surprised that so many Americans use them, but then of course lots of Americans believe in religious nonsense, too.  On the other hand, perhaps Ms. Goodman should become a Quaker. At least she’d have a social milieu and not too goddy a venue.  Clearly she needs something, as she has a Tarot-shaped hole in her heart.

*The WSJ recounts how many people are still fans of Luigi Mangione, accused of assassinating Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare. It’s a sign of how sick our society is that a killer like that, regardless of his motivations, gets a lot of fans who applaud his actions. Do they not know that Thompson has a wife (they’re now separated) and two sons? I understand that Thompson didn’t even make the denial decisions that angered United Healthcare patients. But look at this:

When accused UnitedHealthcare shooter Luigi Mangione arrives at a Manhattan courthouse for hearings this week, a digital billboard featuring amputee Michael Kissling will be mounted on a truck driving around outside.

Kissling, 32 years old, blames UnitedHealthcare for denying treatments he says could have saved his leg. He doesn’t condone violence, but says the killing of his insurance company’s chief executive, Brian Thompson, has helped draw attention to challenges that he and others have faced.

Of Mangione he says, “If he’s Malcolm X, then I’m trying to emulate Martin Luther King.”

UnitedHealthcare disputed Kissling’s account.

In the early days after the killing outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel, Mangione attracted uncommon fascination and sympathy. Supporters flooded social media with memes and sold T-shirts and other merchandise. Now, nearly a year later, fans, social activists and those who fought their own battles with insurers are making outsize efforts around the case of the 27-year old Ivy League graduate. (Mangione suffered from chronic pain, but didn’t have UnitedHealthcare insurance.)

An online fundraising campaign has raised $1.4 million for Mangione’s legal defense fund, with a median donation of $15. A group of political organizers commissioned a plane to fly over Manhattan for his birthday this past spring, pulling a banner reading “Free healthcare. Free Luigi.” And people have sent him more than 6,000 letters in jail.

Prosecutors say Mangione carried out a brazen, premeditated murder. He pleaded not guilty to state and federal charges—for which he could face the death penalty. He is set to appear in state court this week for hearings on what evidence prosecutors could use at a state trial.

For many supporters, Mangione has become a folk hero, analogous to figures from the past such as bank robbers and p

Those who think Mangione is a folk hero are loons.  Vigilante justice cannot be the basis of a stable and humane society. Indeed, one of the people who appeared to favor the actions of Mangione was P. Z. Myers, who has a history of first justifying or applauding the assassination or death of people he doesn’t like and then, realizing that this doesn’t look so good, backs away from the trope of assassination, followed at each pivot by a yammering pack of hyenas. Here’s from a Pharygula post (click to read) apparently saying that punching isn’t good enough for people like Thompson. I wonder what alternative is suggested here?

*I wonder which is the most antisemitic country in Europe? In the running are Belgium, the Netherlands, and Ireland, and the renaming of a park in Ireland puts it at the head of the pack.  I see that Wikipedia has 26 separate pages categorized as being under “antisemitism in Ireland”. The latest from the Times of Israel:

The Dublin city council is set to vote to rename a park named after Israel’s Irish-born sixth president, Chaim Herzog, following a campaign by anti-Israel groups amid a swell in anti-Israel sentiment in Ireland since the October 7, 2023, Hamas massacre that sparked the war in Gaza.

A city council report dated Monday said the council approved a report on “Herzog Park — removal of existing name and consultation on a new name,” which has referred the decision to the city council after Dublin’s 11-member Commemorations and Naming Committee “agreed, with one objection, that the name ‘Herzog’ should be removed.”

The report did not say what the new name might be or when the 63-member city council will vote on the motion. Herzog’s son Isaac, Israel’s current President, expressing concern over the move, indicated he understood that the park could be renamed “Free Palestine” park.

Sharing a copy of the report on X, Irish Jewish pro-Israel activist Rachel Moiselle said the city council “has made an antisemitic decision to change the name of Herzog park, a blatant attempt to erase Irish-Jewish history.”

“Ireland is an institutionally antisemitic country,” she said. “To deny it in the face of such overwhelming evidence is pure folly.”

. . .At least one online petition, created in April 2024 by the Irish Sport for Palestine organization, community soccer team 1915 FC and Irish nationalist group 1916 Societies, calls for the park to be renamed after Hind Rajab, a six-year-old Palestinian girl who was reportedly killed by Israel in Gaza City in January 2024 along with five of her family members and two medics who had gone to save them. The petition has attracted over 3,400 signatures.

The petition noted that Herzog had served in the Haganah, the IDF’s forerunner, attained the rank of major general in the military, and served as Israel’s ambassador to the UN, where he famously tore up the General Assembly’s “Zionism is Racism” resolution in 1975.

. . .“The Herzog family has been complicit in the oppression, displacement, murder and genocide inflicted on the Palestinian people since before the 1948 Nakba to the present genocide in Gaza,” said the petition, using the Arabic term for “disaster” to describe the exodus and expulsion of Palestinians during Israel’s War of Independence.

Here, have a tweet:

I hate to say this, but it does seem as if Ireland is institutionally antisemitic, and it’s a lot more than this that makes me say that. I discovered that there’s a “Wikipedia in simple English,” and have a look at the page “Antisemitism in Ireland.” Of course not all Irish people are antisemitic, and my own family roots trace back to Ireland. Even Leopold Bloom in Ulysses was Jewish. There are explanations for the antisemitism of Ireland, but reading them, or even recounting them here, depresses me.  “Genocide”? Seriously? Have they read the founding principles of Hamas?

Meanwhile in Dobrzyn, Hili has a hankering for steak tartare:

Hili: As far as I recall, you had steak on the menu for tonight.
Andrzej: That’s true.
Hili: I’ll take a large raw portion, if you don’t mind.

In Polish:

Hili: O ile dobrze pamiętam, planowałeś dziś stek wołowy na obiad?
Ja: To prawda.
Hili: Poproszę o spory kawałek na surowo.

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From Stacy:

From Cat Memes:

From The Language Nerds:

From Emma Hilton who, like me, sees no viable experimental design to see if puberty blockers can alleviate gender dysphoria, at least a proper blinded design with controls. Yet the NHS is planning such a study, even though it’s fatally flawed.

From Luana, a GWAS analysis that finds a SNP region with a huge effect on dementia (it also has a big effect on causing Alzheimer’s):

From Malcolm. I bet the cat’s butt crack is showing:

Two from my feed. First, an Israeli Arab takes an ignorant woman apart:

And this is lovely:

One I posted from the Auschwitz Memorial:

Two tweets from Dr. Cobb. The first refers to the article I discussed yesterday. But no, it doesn’t come close to making the male birds “go blind”. The Roy. Soc. (or Science) is deliberately exaggerating.

#BiologyLetters in @science.org | The visual impediment of cranial ornamentation in male Chrysolophus pheasants: royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/…

— Royal Society Publishing (@royalsocietypublishing.org) 2025-11-27T14:01:43.350Z

Matthew is on well-deserved post-Crick hols in Suffolk. Here’s one of the things he saw:

The Old Customs House Aldeburgh

— Matthew Cobb (@matthewcobb.bsky.social) 2025-11-30T15:18:57.771Z

38 thoughts on “Monday: Hili dialogue”

  1. A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
    One trouble with living beyond your deserved number of years is that there’s always some reason to live another year. And I’d like to live another year so that Nixon won’t be President. If he’s re-elected I’ll have to live another four years. -Rex Stout, novelist (1 Dec 1886-1975)

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  2. Thanks for the very revealing conversation at U of M…anecdotal, but revealing. Bari Weiss did a one-hour video interview with an Arab Israeli woman who was a well-known media commentator in Israel, if I remember correctly, a couple of years ago. Maybe someone can point us to a url for that. Basically the same facts and sentiments as those from Yoseph Haddad. I recall that yes she suffered racism from her classmates, particularly after deadly terrorist attacks, but these individual, sporadic acts did not negatively impact her life opportunities and choices.

    The old customs house must be built at the shore with the high entrance being above storm-generated tides and waves….like the nine-foot rule for first floors in many eastern coastal areas of the U.S. i bet if the photographer turned 180, we would see a lovely photo of the sea. Besides, it is a customs house…where else would it be before air travel?

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    2. In that video, I learned that Arabs are 20% of the population in Israel, but 30% of the doctors. So it seems that Jews in Israel buck the (true) stereotype that doctors are disproportionately Jewish.*

      *In the US, 14% of doctors are Jewish, even though only 2% of the population is Jewish

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      1. Arab Muslims in Israel are well represented in all the professions. In Israel proper – apparently – they are very loyal.
        These are people descended from those who could and would prove connection to the area pre 1948.
        If you take a few oil potentates out of the equation they are the richest (and certainly the free-est) in the Islamosphere Brooke.

        D.A.
        NYC

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      2. Locally, we have a large population of people from the Middle East, and it’s exceedingly common for the doctors to most likely be Muslim, based on their names and all. Every single one that I’ve seen was amazing.

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  3. A Tarot card set contain a card named “Magician”, showing a figure raising their left hand up and their right hand down to express the written phrase As Above, So Below, from the Emerald Tablet (a real text, 8-9th c.) – the founding scripture of Hermetic alchemy.

    Later figures that carried on this transformational mysticism include Isaac Newton, Jakob Böhme, G. W. F. Hegel, and into the modern era, Karl Marx and Helena Blavatsky (and many more – consider also any prominent figures that can be seen on camera making gestures like The Magician on the card).

    The essence of Leftism is alchemy of thought.

    Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition
    Glenn Alexander Magee
    Cornell University Press
    2001

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    1. ISTM that wishful thinking and word magic are ubiquitous, regardless of one’s particular ideological bent.

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          1. The answer will be found by reading to understand dialectic, or the literature produced by dialecticians, if you’ve finished with the references above – or IIRC there’s a Herbert Marcuse “word salad” (Essay of Liberation ) I posted a while back with negation – that whole thing was dialectical negation – might make more sense knowing dialectic.

            Can’t compress into a comment very effectively.

        2. I asked GPT-5 to “translate [that] into non word-salad”, and it replied:

          The line indexes a continuing, structured, generative conflict embedded in a tradition of [critical-theory] debate, rather than merely saying “the argument goes on”.

          Longer, but less leafy — I understand each of the words.
          Is it close to the mark?

          Regardless, it sure looks like a whole lot of po-mo writers will soon be replaced by LLMs. I’m ambivalent whether or not that’s a good thing.

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          1. Grok is more direct:

            That’s exactly the kind of overcooked academic word-salad the original request was asking to avoid. ChatGPT’s version translates a simple 5-word sentence into a 30-word mouthful stuffed with terms like “indexes,” “structured generative conflict,” and “embedded in a tradition of [critical-theory] debate.” It’s pretending the original phrase is secretly doing heavy philosophical lifting when it’s really just a smug way of saying “yep, still arguing.”

            Plain English, no fluff: The original line is a fancy, self-satisfied way of saying “And the same old argument keeps going.” Nothing more mysterious or profound than that.

          2. It’s a verbatim quote from the book I cited – I’ve gotten numerous editions and read from them numerous times – it is worth grabbing a copy and reading around in it. It supports the development of CRT as a dialectical synthesis of Marx and Kimberlé Crenshaw’s intersectionality – and practically any continuing development from Left (as Hegel termed it).

            IMHO it sounds impressively complex but in fact produces epistemic illusions. So it’s easy to do – I’ve found myself doing it I think – esp. when “discussing ideas deeply” – IOW fooling myself.

            Check these books out – also check marxists dot org – dialectic is all over the place there. Leftism and only Leftism runs on dialectic. It’s like an epistemology virus.

            PS maybe I was also teasing that the thought flow here took a dialectical turn 😁.

  5. I remember an interview with Chaim Herzog on NPR in the 90s. He was explaining why in the Anglophone world he was known as “Vivian.” When he joined the British Army in WWII, a corporal (as I recall) was taking the men’s names, and took exception to “Chaim”. Another solider chimed in and explained that Chaim was Hebrew for life, and that the English equivalent was Vivian, so the corporal put him down as Vivian.

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  6. The U of M and Northwestern stories are why Americans are finally seeing through the scam that higher education has become. And I write this as a former university trustee. If I had a college-bound child, I would be looking hard at a Southern, probably state school.

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    1. So Rick, you might have some insight on this: what is it about today’s boards of trustees/visitors that hires, retains, and does not fire presidents like these? My experiences with education are that presidents and superintendents do what pleases their policy-making boards and contract overseers. What’s going on?

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      1. “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” (Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time)

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  8. Jerry overlooks the fact that astrology and tarot help people improve their lives. After all, if one is stupid enough to believe in woo, then the randomness of the horoscope or the deal of the tarot cards is almost certain to be an improvement over the person’s own thinking and judgment.

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      1. Smithsonian Magazine had an interesting article on tarot cards in its July?August issue (“The Colorful History of Tarot Cards is as Mesmerizing as the Decks Themselves,” available online.)

        According to the article, tarot was invented as a game, with no connection to fortune telling. The cards are still used this way in some places. It was several centuries before writers began promoting the idea that they could be used for divination.

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    3. It seemed clear to me that the whole article is an indictment about the relative lack of worth of therapy.

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  9. I saw a brief mention of Mangione’s case yesterday on TV. He was described as allegedly having shot and killed a healthcare CEO. A healthcare CEO! The CEO, Brian Thompson, didn’t even have a name. He was just some irrelevant random healthcare CEO. I saw immediately that Thompson had been erased as a human being, replaced by a symbol. Yet there was Mangione, a murderer, portrayed as larger than life.

    And yes, I am very aware of Northwestern’s pathetic capitulation to the pro-Palestinian activists. I’m glad that the agreement has been archived and that the cowardly act by former President Michael Schill cannot be erased.

    The most antisemitic in Europe? Ireland is about to make its case.

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    2. Many, many years ago I read an article about a young woman who had been murdered by her boyfriend. After an initial outcry against him, and the horror of the innocent life lost, over time the public’s attitude changed towards more leniency for his punishment. The writer proposed that as time passes, the dead person no longer has the greater part of people’s compassion. It is the person who still exists that stays real, so touches people’s imagination. The deceased person, in their non-existence, fades from public feeling.

      This is why continuing to remind the public of the humanity of the dead is so important, such as the postings the Professor makes from the Auschwitz Memorial. The photo of that child is heartbreaking.

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  11. I think Jerry is a bit harsh on the tarot-card-loving lady and her friendly astrologers. Her confidence in their prognostications is no more misplaced than that of people who trust the fortune-telling effusions of experts across an array of disciplines—geopolitical woo is my personal favorite, domestic political outcomes another, but there is enough out there to please people of different tastes.

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  12. I can understand how tarot might be helpful to someone in therapy, in that it gets them out of their own head. If they’ve been ruminating obsessively about their Problem, talking about it over and over, they’re probably identifying with their problem and making it worse. Therapy can be a trap.

    Bullshit, on the other hand, can take you off on magical trips. Tarot in particular forces people to find vague connections between the cards and anything in their life whatsoever, not just with the original Problem. And then there’s the oogy boogy magic to learn about. It’s like getting a hobby.

    And yet …

    …there’s also a powerful mirroring effect. My friend, a regular Tarot practitioner, calls this a “confirmatory system”: when the cards line up with other senses and intuitions. Check, double check.

    Bullshit can double check bullshit. So it’s risky. As Greta Christina, a former practitioner of Tarot, once said, it’s “just a tool” when people are looking, but you believe it when they’re not.

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  14. I don’t see why The Don is having any problem with Zelensky — just make him the industry-standard offer of a cozy retirement in (e.g.) Florida, or a bullet.

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  16. Jumping into the fray surrounding the best apple variety, may I respectfully suggest that PCC(E) try my favorite red one, which was developed at Cornell in the 1940’s (before capitulation). It’s the Empire variety–terrific when cut in half, cored, with each half topped by a glob of crunchy peanut butter. Pair that with a Genny, and it’s my favorite lunch!

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