19 thoughts on “Jesus ‘n’ Mo ‘n’ the Patriarchy

  1. In the Islamic religion the women are pretty much stuck although a revolt would be nice. I don’t know what the excuse is in the Christian world here. It is beyond belief.

  2. I don’t know that Islam gets a break at all…

    The barmaid suggests it’s the worst of all three faiths for misogyny and then Mo slaps her down – because she is a woman.

    1. It is Jesus [Christian] & Moses [Jew] who give Islam a break – when the bar wench gets around to having a go at Islam those two get ‘frowny face’ with her

        1. n the earliest Babylonian version of the Epic of Gilgamesh, the beer divinity, Siduri, tells Gilgamesh to give up seeking immortality, telling him to be content with the simple pleasures of life.

          Now there was a religion! They had enough sense to have a divinity for beer and to top it off, a goddess.

          Now it may be true that these three religions subjugated religion. But in their favour we should not forget that none of the three allowed female infanticide.

          Islam has reformed itself in several countries, such as Malaysia. But in others has continued to impose cultural biases against women that predated Islam.

          In fact, the worst abuses of women by Arabs were forbidden by Islam. Prior to Islam both women and children could be used by the husband and father as gambling stakes. Alcohol was prohibited to support the ban on gambling.

          The Nabetaeans of Petra fame had banned alcohol centuries before the Arabs, because it tended to inhibited good business decisions.

          The character, Siduri, was probably based on a real person. I like the idea of sipping beer and chatting with the barmaid over the purpose of life.

          For an atheist is there any better advice than hers: to enjoy the simple pleasures of life and forget the moment when age or infirmity will bring a never-ending sleep.

          1. Indeed, the cartoon barmaid somewhat resembles Siduri!
            I like the end of Gilgamesh, however, when the hero returns to finish the constructions he has begun – his deed that will outlive him.

          2. “Islam has reformed itself in several countries, such as Malaysia.” That was indeed the case, but I doubt whether that is still so. As an illustration (an illustration only) of what I mean, how many women in Malaysia (or Indonesia for that matter) were wearing the veil about 40 years ago? And how many do now? I blame the export of fundamentalism (Wahhabist-Salafist type) from the Near East, funded by ‘petrodollars’ for that.

  3. “Moses crops up again. Where does he come from? Where does he go? I’m sorry, I don’t know.”

    Reminds me of what Beckett said in response to questions about Godot — that everything he knows about the characters is in the play; if he knew anything else, he’d’ve put it in there, too.

    1. A good rule when it comes to Beckett [just my opinion] is ignore everything he says about his work, or even better ignore the work altogether.

      ** It’s in line with his own art which was driving towards minimalism – you’d be carrying on his work by ignoring it!
      ** He’s Irish – enjoys a good joke at the expense of all about
      ** He helped James Joyce research stuff for what would be Finnegans Wake…
      ** Wiki Quote:

      …In November 1930, he presented a paper in French to the Modern Languages Society of Trinity on the Toulouse poet Jean du Chas, founder of a movement called le Concentrisme. It was a literary parody, for Beckett had in fact invented the poet and his movement that claimed to be “at odds with all that is clear and distinct in Descartes”. Beckett later insisted that he had not intended to fool his audience…

      [my foot!]
      ** He lived in France mostly & followed the absurdist tradition

      He’s Spike Milligan with the jokes removed – or a Warholist better than Warhol: audience bafflement was his real secret project [IMO]

      Oh, & his poetry is absolute shite 🙂

      1. As one critic, noting how the second act subtly recapitulates the first, said about Godot: It’s a play where nothing happens. Twice. 🙂

  4. None of these religions is stellar in its attitude to women, but post-Biblical Christianity is far worse than anything in the New Testament. You get early church fathers describing women as cesspools of corruption.
    Tertullian: “The curse God pronounced on your sex still weighs on the world. …You are the devil’s gateway”
    Gregory of Nazianzus: “Fierce is the dragon and cunning the asp; But women have the malice of both.”
    A remarkable contrast to Jesus’ relatively egalitarian attitude.
    The Old Testament has 2 books named after women (3 in the Catholic expanded edition), and the New has none. Had Marcionitism won the field, it might be a different story.

    1. Maybe they were right? Aren’t women, and their lascivious ways, the reason males get detracted from all the good they should do? (/s)

  5. A justifiable modern view of the Abrahamic religions… but really there are 3 classes of people within them:

    1) First Class – religious officiants and scholars
    2) Second Class – useful idiots
    3) Third Class – less useful idiots who bear and care for children

    It’s not only patriarchal misogyny for the Third Class people but also patriarchal tyranny of the Second Class.

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