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The Downfall parodies are of variable quality, but I liked this one, which is about the Linday Shepherd case at Canada’s Wilfred Laurier University (see my post here).
While the parody text may be humorous, I doubt that those who know German and have taught German language, literature, and history will find this funny. I certainly do not.
I too taught myself passable German, I can follow what is said. I find it funny.
Our po-faced naysayers seem to think this is a case of “they are like Hitler”. It isn’t. It is extreme bathos. I guess no-one laughs at Pope’s liberties in the Dunciad?
And it is also firmly part of tradition now of virtuosic display of matching words to images.
I think the humor’s sine qua non is the ironic tension between visuals taken from a deadly serious drama like Downfall and the incongruity of the text, Ruthann.
I have lived in Germany and speak German and I find this particular parody very funny. It’s a little difficult to turn off the dialog mentally but the parody, as most of them do, depends on the visual and voice tones not the dialog.
IAC one wouldn’t want to endorse that old canard that germans don’t have a sense of humour.
I know enough German to kind of ruin the meme if I leave the sound on. Still works fine with the sound off though. In fact it might be even better because you can concentrate more on the awkward faces and body language. (Great scene of a great film btw).
I didn’t find this “parody” funny in the least. When everything that one doesn’t like is compared to Hitler then the horror of his regime is diminished. Campus authoritarianism should be criticized. But this is not the way to do it. Even Trump, who has proto-fascistic tendencies, should not be compared to Hitler. Hitler and his regime were pure evil. You can perhaps legitimately compare Stalin to Hitler, but certainly not immature college students and some ivory tower professors.
The point of Downfall parodies isn’t to compare things to Hitler, but to use a very serious scene from a very serious film and make it amusing. Watch any of the many other parody videos and you can see this is the case.
This is the first I’ve heard of Downfall parodies. I think that each one needs to be critiqued on its own. For the reasons I cited, I didn’t find it amusing, despite whatever may have been the intent of it creators.
It’s one of the internet’s most prolific memes. It’s been around at least 10 years. I think the first one I saw was about Catherine Tate being cast as a companion in Doctor Who.
You inspired me to go to YouTube and watch “Springtime for Hitler.” It seems to me that at least in part, Brooks is mocking Hitler. The effect, if not the purpose, of the Downfall parody is to mock the campus activists for which Hitler is the vehicle for it. There is a big difference between Brooks and Downfall.
I’d say using Hitler is more than appropriate here; after all, Rambukkan did tell the teaching assistant that her showing part of a debate on gender pronouns without her specifically condemning the ”wrong’ side of the debate was exactly the same as uncritically showing Hitler’s speeches.
Not understanding the german or the math except in broad strokes, that is hilarious. As noted above, it is about matching the words to the facial expressions.
I can share the frustration of learning that a countour integral (which CAN be difficult to solve) is simply 0 for a specific type of function and region and you want to apply this as often as possible… but when it doesn’t apply it doesn’t apply! There were also a lot of proofs in my Complex Analysis class however they were fairly straightforward… everything is easier with complex numbers
The best Downfall parodies do what this one manages to get right: match the subtitles to the characters’ facial expressions and sentence lengths. This is one of the better Downfall parodies I’ve seen.
“Anyone who thinks perspectivity isn’t a word, get out.” That line just killed me!
Downfall is such a brilliant film, and Bruno Ganz gave one of the greatest performances in modern cinema. I’ve watched my DVD copy too many times to count.
I was amused by Hitler’s angry sub-titled exclamation “Why did you send those idiots Rambukkana and Pimlott, even Evergreen State wouldn’t hire them!” In fact, Professor Pimlott is universally detected in the Laurier student ratings, with observations like this: “I refused to address him by his made up gender pronouns and he tried to crucify me for being an evil nazi.” Another of zer’s ratings reports: “A self proclaimed scholar, so full of himself it’s nauseating. I wouldn’t let this slimy creature teach my dog. A full fledged member of the thought police. “
Of course, Pimlott is one of two people from that meeting who have not apologize to Shepherd. Not that it matter. Rambukkana’s “apology” was a long-form explanation of how he merely worded things improperly, apparently feeling he had nothing else for which he needed to apologize.
If you look at one of the rate my prof sites (linked elsewhere here) you will see Pimlott is accused of rape. (I am not kidding.) My guess is this is BS, but I would also guess that by his standards such accusations need to be believed.
I wonder if people are paying too much attention to the word “parody”? I think travesty is le mot juste in these cases. What we see here is a bathetic travesty of Downfall, used to lampoon the events at WLU.
I did mean to type “universally detested, but the typo was appropos, as mikeyc observes. Pimlott’s latest publication (of, I suspect, very few) is an essay in the Canadian Journal of Communication entitled “Engaging Class Struggles”: Preparing Students for the “Real World” by Teaching “Activist” Cultural Production in the Classroom”. Its abstract starts with: “In this self-reflective essay, the author argues that communication studies offers opportunities for integrating activism with classroom content”. The student ratings
do indeed detect his qualities, it seems.
I agree that this one was well above average. My all-time favorite is the grammar Nazi one. Hitler ends a sentence with a preposition and the generals immediately want to discuss that instead of war plans. He goes into his rant.
Previously, for me, the best thing about the pronoun “ze” is it helped me eliminate all my tiles last time I played Scrabble and it yields a pretty decent double word score!
This parody has now moved my Scrabble experience to the second best thing about “ze.”
A fine specimen of the genre.
While the parody text may be humorous, I doubt that those who know German and have taught German language, literature, and history will find this funny. I certainly do not.
The genre is entirely about the parody text.
Yes, GB James is right. In fact, I studied German for years and can speak it ok and read it fluently. And I find it funny.
My son’s girlfriend is German, from Berlin in fact, and she thinks it’s funny.
I too taught myself passable German, I can follow what is said. I find it funny.
Our po-faced naysayers seem to think this is a case of “they are like Hitler”. It isn’t. It is extreme bathos. I guess no-one laughs at Pope’s liberties in the Dunciad?
And it is also firmly part of tradition now of virtuosic display of matching words to images.
Of course not. It’s specifically made for those of us who don’t know German. The entire effect is lost if you know what he’s actually saying.
No, I can understand every word of the German. I just ignore the audio and read the text.
Ah, I don’t think I could do that if I actually knew what was being said. I would be too distracted.
I’m with BJ. The thing with the subtitles works precisely because the original is in a foreign language (happens to be German).
And I found the subtitles a hilarious play on the jargon of the current pomo/SJW cartel.
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I think the humor’s sine qua non is the ironic tension between visuals taken from a deadly serious drama like Downfall and the incongruity of the text, Ruthann.
The bastard love child of Lester Bangs & Stephen Fry could have written that. Kudos 🙂
I’ve always had some dark suspicions about my parentage, Michael.
I have lived in Germany and speak German and I find this particular parody very funny. It’s a little difficult to turn off the dialog mentally but the parody, as most of them do, depends on the visual and voice tones not the dialog.
IAC one wouldn’t want to endorse that old canard that germans don’t have a sense of humour.
I know enough German to kind of ruin the meme if I leave the sound on. Still works fine with the sound off though. In fact it might be even better because you can concentrate more on the awkward faces and body language. (Great scene of a great film btw).
I didn’t find this “parody” funny in the least. When everything that one doesn’t like is compared to Hitler then the horror of his regime is diminished. Campus authoritarianism should be criticized. But this is not the way to do it. Even Trump, who has proto-fascistic tendencies, should not be compared to Hitler. Hitler and his regime were pure evil. You can perhaps legitimately compare Stalin to Hitler, but certainly not immature college students and some ivory tower professors.
The point of Downfall parodies isn’t to compare things to Hitler, but to use a very serious scene from a very serious film and make it amusing. Watch any of the many other parody videos and you can see this is the case.
This is the first I’ve heard of Downfall parodies. I think that each one needs to be critiqued on its own. For the reasons I cited, I didn’t find it amusing, despite whatever may have been the intent of it creators.
It’s one of the internet’s most prolific memes. It’s been around at least 10 years. I think the first one I saw was about Catherine Tate being cast as a companion in Doctor Who.
It might have gone on long enough for someone to make a Downfall parody of people who don’t understand Downfall parodies!
This one where Hitler is pissed about too many Downfall parodies, is pretty close!
And this one is (IMO) even better – and right on topic for this comment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYk8ofhYFY
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That one is great!
Not a Mel Brooks fan then, Historian?
You inspired me to go to YouTube and watch “Springtime for Hitler.” It seems to me that at least in part, Brooks is mocking Hitler. The effect, if not the purpose, of the Downfall parody is to mock the campus activists for which Hitler is the vehicle for it. There is a big difference between Brooks and Downfall.
Do you find that others frequently bring up the word “agelastic” in your conversations, Historian?
“It’s springtime for Hilter in Germany” pop’s into my head all the time!
Nazi!
Deutschland is happy and gay!
Perhaps you are overthinking it, most of us can enjoy the humor while not confusing the target of the humor with the actual Hitler.
“Even Trump, who has proto-fascistic tendencies, should not be compared to Hitler. ”
I agree, but that is not what is happening with this parody.
I find Hitler an excellent vehicle with which to criticise campus nazis.
I’d say using Hitler is more than appropriate here; after all, Rambukkan did tell the teaching assistant that her showing part of a debate on gender pronouns without her specifically condemning the ”wrong’ side of the debate was exactly the same as uncritically showing Hitler’s speeches.
I got an actual LOL at the “don’t worry you’re passable” line.
Here’s one of my favorites that I appreciated while learning Complex Analysis last year
Not understanding the german or the math except in broad strokes, that is hilarious. As noted above, it is about matching the words to the facial expressions.
Razor sharp.
I can share the frustration of learning that a countour integral (which CAN be difficult to solve) is simply 0 for a specific type of function and region and you want to apply this as often as possible… but when it doesn’t apply it doesn’t apply! There were also a lot of proofs in my Complex Analysis class however they were fairly straightforward… everything is easier with complex numbers
Brilliant
The best Downfall parodies do what this one manages to get right: match the subtitles to the characters’ facial expressions and sentence lengths. This is one of the better Downfall parodies I’ve seen.
“Anyone who thinks perspectivity isn’t a word, get out.” That line just killed me!
Downfall is such a brilliant film, and Bruno Ganz gave one of the greatest performances in modern cinema. I’ve watched my DVD copy too many times to count.
Man, I feel like such a derp. I’ve never heard of Downfall or the parody series. I am always amazed at how much I miss. I am not sure why I do.
“Man, I feel like such a derp.”
Why do you have to be so ableist, Mikey?!? “Derp” is not the preferred nomenclature, dude…
It’s “neuroatypical.”
I was amused by Hitler’s angry sub-titled exclamation “Why did you send those idiots Rambukkana and Pimlott, even Evergreen State wouldn’t hire them!” In fact, Professor Pimlott is universally detected in the Laurier student ratings, with observations like this: “I refused to address him by his made up gender pronouns and he tried to crucify me for being an evil nazi.” Another of zer’s ratings reports: “A self proclaimed scholar, so full of himself it’s nauseating. I wouldn’t let this slimy creature teach my dog. A full fledged member of the thought police. “
I think you meant “universally detested” but I like the typo!
Of course, Pimlott is one of two people from that meeting who have not apologize to Shepherd. Not that it matter. Rambukkana’s “apology” was a long-form explanation of how he merely worded things improperly, apparently feeling he had nothing else for which he needed to apologize.
I don’t know why I wrote “long-form.” I just meant to write “long.”
If you look at one of the rate my prof sites (linked elsewhere here) you will see Pimlott is accused of rape. (I am not kidding.) My guess is this is BS, but I would also guess that by his standards such accusations need to be believed.
Looking at the site I see that rating has been removed. I detect a double standard at work.
I wonder if people are paying too much attention to the word “parody”? I think travesty is le mot juste in these cases. What we see here is a bathetic travesty of Downfall, used to lampoon the events at WLU.
I did mean to type “universally detested, but the typo was appropos, as mikeyc observes. Pimlott’s latest publication (of, I suspect, very few) is an essay in the Canadian Journal of Communication entitled “Engaging Class Struggles”: Preparing Students for the “Real World” by Teaching “Activist” Cultural Production in the Classroom”. Its abstract starts with: “In this self-reflective essay, the author argues that communication studies offers opportunities for integrating activism with classroom content”. The student ratings
do indeed detect his qualities, it seems.
I agree that this one was well above average. My all-time favorite is the grammar Nazi one. Hitler ends a sentence with a preposition and the generals immediately want to discuss that instead of war plans. He goes into his rant.
This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8fbrUjjivw
cr
Yes, that one.
Previously, for me, the best thing about the pronoun “ze” is it helped me eliminate all my tiles last time I played Scrabble and it yields a pretty decent double word score!
This parody has now moved my Scrabble experience to the second best thing about “ze.”