You may have already seen this video, as the Albatross has made me late to the party again, but perhaps it’s new to you. And thank God I don’t have to take it apart, as “Doktor Zoom” at Wonkette already does. It was hard enough to listen to this homeschooling, creationist-crusading, fundamentalist Christian right-wing woman go after an evolution exhibit in the Field Museum—in my own town!—and I wouldn’t want to tackle all her rants, lies, and misconceptions.
Here’s Wonkette’s introduction, and the rest of Zoom’s article goes through the 30-minute video bit by bit, correcting all the lies:
Meet Megan Fox, who is not the dopey actress from the Transformers movies, but is instead a dopey homeschooling mom who doesn’t believe that organisms transform over time. She has her very own YouTube channel where she reviews children’s books and pursues a single-minded crusade against corruption on the public library board of Orland Park, Illinois.
Ms. Fox recently took a visit to the Field Museum’s “Evolving Earth” exhibit — it’s actually “The Evolving Planet,” but whatevs, that’s the smallest error she’s made — to “audit it for bias.” Guess what? Steven Colbert was right! That science museum was just FULL of liberal bias and reality — if you believe the lies of science, that is. Her amazing video has kind of blown up on Reddit and could well be the greatest internet hit of Thanksgiving Week 2014.
I watched the whole thing, which was like watching a half-hour train wreck. I’m only now recovering. If you can make it through the whole thing too, you’ll get Professor Ceiling Cat’s Badge of Honor.
Fox keeps saying, “How do you know? How do you know?” about all the Museum’s claims about evolution, when, in fact, there is evidence for those claims. In the end, Fox is contemptuous of science itself, although of course she concentrates her ammunition on evolution. But she could take the same approach to cosmology, or to human history itself. Julius Caesar assassinated in 44 BCE? “How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW? Where’s the videotape?”
I’ve rarely seen this degree of anger and vitriol in a creationist. Even Ken Ham and Ray Comfort maintain a modicum of restrained behavior, but Ms. Fox rants and shouts like a lunatic. Could even a “normal” biblical creationist find her schtick convincing?
She is a prime example of how religion blinds people to reality, and an embarrassment to Americans.
My favorite quote from Ms. Fox (26:52):
“No one considers that Neanderthals could just be people with big foreheads. You know how Eastern Europeans just have bigger brows and, you know, deeper-set eyes and. . We’re supposed to believe that these are just ape ancestors? No, I don’t think so; I think they’re just exactly like how humans beings are so different. . . Neanderthal man could have just been a guy they found with a really big forehead. It doesn’t prove anything.”
1. More than one Neanderthal fossil found.
2. DNA evidence
3. Dating evidence
4. I’m going to shoot myself!
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I thought that one of the services that you provide is listening to stuff like this so we don’t have to 😉
I worry that Jerry may develop PTSD (Post Theist Stress Syndrome) from having to watch all of these painful to watch videos :-0
Plus all the research for The Albatross probably adding to the danger of PTSD.
Oh, why can’t creationist ideologies be extinct already?
I had the dubious privilege of seeing some of this (I had to give up before my brain rotted) and I just wanted to throw something at the screen when she “discussed” eukaryotes having gloriously failed to pronounce the word. Lady Caroline Lamb’s immortal comment about Lord Byron came to mind: “Mad, bad and dangerous to know” …
Yes, this is when I hit pause and closed my browser.
Yes, when she started reading the display for eukaryotes, and then went “blah-blah-blah” and skipped over the explanation, then I was done.
I couldn’t get 10 seconds in. I noticed comments are disabled on her YouTube page. Willful ignorance at its most pathetic.
Ach, du lieber
7 and a half minutes. I deserve *something* for 7 and a half minutes.
Nope. Must watch whole thing. I did.
I couldn’t get past her (proudly) not being able to pronounce eukaryotes, and then wondering why there were still one-celled organisms. Yeah, as someone said the other day, we were once babies, we are now adults, why are there still babies. This twit is too stoooooopid to know what she doesn’t know, or refuses to learn. Her poor kids.
Exactly the spot I stopped it.
No known unknowns.
Channelling The Donald, are we?
b&
Not a pleasant experience, I assure you. But I have no control over who my powers will channel at any given moment.
As long as you don’t channel the hair
Not that The Donald…this The Donald.
Now, duck!
b&
Never thought of Rummy as The Donald but you’re right, the unknown knowns, if not the hair, belong to him. You got me on duck: i was expecting Donald and instead got Dubya’s shoe incident:-)
Ew. I think channeling Trump might be even worse than channeling Rumsfeld.
Whenever Trump appears on talk shows and they razz him about The Hair™, he makes a big show of pulling at it to show “it’s my real hair!” Just completely pretending that what people think about his hair is that it’s a toupee rather than a comb-over. What a dufus.
I made it to the end. Funniest skit from SNL I’ve ever seen. Seriously, though, it’s amazing the level of stupidity from a person of obvious intelligence. I suppose this is the type of adult that results from sheltering of true science in the classroom. There’s way too much of that going on, and millions of adults like her is a scary thing.
How do they know?
Me too. (Thanks for the badge, Jerry.)
But i was disappointed that it wasn’t quite the “meltdown” that I’Ð been promised. Just vapid, in the end.
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* I’d (obviously) (& still in 29 Palms)
Beware of stupid people in large groups!
Does she even get sick, or go to the doctor? I cant see how she can, since a large number of things that we have worked out stem from science, and if’s she that against everything (how do we know?) then she must not trust conventional medicine.
Also, the fact that she’s just going “How do we know this?” is blatantly ignoring all the research, decades and decades upon work of tracing back each fossil’s individual history, carbon dating to figure out what time period each fossil came from, the hard work of checking how each fit in with all the others and organizing it into one big timeline…the video makes me want to weep.
NO. No. No.
Science that produces cell phones and and antibiotics and surgery and cars and abundant food is REAL SCIENCE!! And REAL SCIENCE!! is A-OKay to use.
Science that is just, ya know, all about THEORIES isn’t real science. Theories are just made up conspiracies, crafted by left librul think tanks in order to deny God.
It’s just like Ham’s pointing out the difference between “observational” and “historic” science.
If you guys weren’t such brainwashed Darwin worshipers, you would know the difference between REAL SCIENCE!! and fake science./sarcasm
Perhaps you should meet up with Ms Fox and head off home to make dinner for Daddy? And you can stop doing that maths too – you won’t need it at your kitchen sink.
(Errr, 😻 ?)
Did you see the “/sarcasm” bit at the end of Hypatias Daughter’s post,gravel-inspector? 😉
Nope.
She reminds me of a girl I got into an argument with over evolution in high school. At one point she just stopped arguing, put her hands over her ears and shouted,, “No no no!”.
Similarly, a high school student, going to a religious school, was spouting creationist misunderstandings (evolution means pure random creation, ignoring natural selection, etc). When I recommended WEIT,she said if it wasn’t a creationist tome, she would not read it.
5:51, and I had to hunt my frontal lobe around the room and command it to get back whence it came.
Wait, doesn’t “homeschooling” imply she has children? God, what has Darwin done unto Thee that those children deserve this?
Apparently, she has two children and is pregnant with the third.
If you are a masochist, you should skim her written work for PJ Media: http://tinyurl.com/qjmj4yb
The one about Beyonce is priceless.
She also seems obsessed with an alleged discovery of someone masturbating at the local library and putting it on Youtube, and the reluctance of the local media to publishing it. I haven’t tried to find out yet, but methinks if that were true, and systematic, the media would be all over it. Especially that other Fox, Fox News.
Just another addition to the cacophony of unintelligible noise that emanates from this planet. It’s no wonder intelligent life from distant galaxies ignore us.
Yikes! Stupid has reached new heights! Had I been there while she was filming, I doubt if I could have contained my comments. Dragon skull??? I pity her poor children, let’s hope that some of the science penetrates those deluded young brains.
If anyone is interested about the cave paintings that Creationists claim as evidence that scientists are covering up go to: http://paleo.cc/ce/dino-art.htm
Will Ceiling Cat send me blessings now?
Thanks Robin – I knew there’d be a better explanation than hers, and you saved me the trouble of finding it.
I watched it all the way through. It’s really hard to watch not just because of the ignorance, but the way it’s filmed. It keeps panning quickly, and the camera can’t keep up with what it’s seeing. It also almost never stays on any part of the exhibition long enough to look at it or read it in full. I think there’s a 7 second rule or something for filming. Whatever it is, the guy filming failed. Anyway, I kept shutting my eyes because it was so hard to look at, so I don’t think I qualify for PCC’s award even though I played it all the way through.
I worry about the damage this women is doing to the minds of her own children. She’s making so much of the wonder of reality unavailable to them because she’s forcing them into the “God did it” box. Once there, you’re not allowed to look for another explanation and when you don’t know something, you’re obliged to settle for that.
When I was in NYC at the Natural History Museum, all of a sudden I heard this man shouting at his ~11 year old son: “God made these! GOD MADE THESE! These are lies written here!” and he was shaking him by the shoulders as he yelled. Of course everyone looked on and the poor boy was humiliated… I turned to my friend and said, “Well, if that doesn’t cure him of religion, nothing will.”
Poor kid. I can imagine my grandmother taking us (when we were kids) to an exhibition like this and telling us that God made us and they’re wrong, but she would have done it quietly at least.
I couldn’t get passed the first few minutes. Her tone is annoying right away when she says she can’t pronounce eukaryotes.
She reminds me of a JW girl I grew up with and went to elementary school with. She disrupted the class every time a teacher mentioned anything scientific and she said stupid things like “how do you know?” Science class was quite annoying with her in it. She always gave the teachers JW pamphlets. I remember one teacher, who because he was Arab ethnically, put up with a lot of white trash racism, was the only teacher her refused to take her pamphlets. He told her off a bit too. I realized when I got older that he was one of my best teachers; I suspect he was an atheist too.
I also think she has never met an Eastern European.
Who would want to. Those foreheads are so big. Kinda scary.
Maybe she’s watched too much Star Trek TNG & got confused because Worf’s adoptive parents were Russian.
Russians…in…spaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!
Not exactly subtle with that one, were they? The warlike child of the eternal enemy having trouble integrating into his new Western family being Russian….
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In fairness, every time Worf’s parents showed up they were absolute sweethearts and brought out the softer, fuzzier side of Worf.
Ya, like that friend of Mary Shelley.
Big forehead, big … you know?
…nose…?
b&
Oscar?
Yipes. I couldn’t make it past 2 minutes. How did someone that ignorant find her way from home to the Field Museum. I feel very sorry for her children, who are likely to be totally unprepared for the world they’ll live in.
Oh, and new flash for Ms Fox, Neanderthals weren’t “ape ancestors”. I bet she even has some Neanderthal genes. I know I do. I’m pretty sure she’d never have her DNA analyzed, because the results might upset her.
You mean “Eastern European” genes – that’s all Neanderthals are – Eastern Europeans.
Well, considering humans are apes and Neandertals were human and they’re (among) our ancestors, it’s not at all unreasonable to call Neandertals “ape ancestors.”
But she obviously wouldn’t accept the fact that humans are apes. Would she accept the fact that we’re mammals? That we’re vertebrates? I suspect so, if you snuck the question in the right way. Maybe even “primate.”
For these types of people, the distinction only becomes anathema when it’s our closest relatives that the comparison is made with.
So, we are the only extant ape that’s human. Humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans are the only extant monkeys that are apes. There are a great many extant monkeys, all of which are a subset of the primates. All primates are mammals. All mammals are tetrapods. All tetrapods are vertebrates. All vertebrates are animals. All animals are eukaryotes. All eukaryotes are terrestrial organisms.
But this stupid git who doesn’t even rise to the level of ignorant slut clearly can’t even tell the difference between a parent and a cousin. Perhaps because her parents and / or spouses are cousins? Or maybe even siblings…it’s kinda the most obvious explanation in her case….
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Oh how I miss those Weekend Updates( is that what they were called?). Tried to watch an SNL thanksgiving special a couple of nights ago, and it was just dumb ( except for Paul Simon in a turkey suit, which I remember from way back). Now, the Jane, you stupid slut routines were hilarious!
Sorry: “ignorant” slut:-)
Nothing worng with theme and variations!
b&
“All eukaryotes are terrestrial organisms.”
Huh?
“Terrestrial” as in, “of the Earth.” (As opposed to some other biosphere….)
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I thought of that, but IMO that’s not the most common usage.
(And how do we know she’s right with her usage?)
You forgot gibbons. They’re apes too, if kind of funky…
And bonobos, if you want to split hairs (or genera).
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I was just going for the “great” apes…snubbing gibbons was somewhat intentional.
The bonobos…I guess in this case, correctly or not, I tend to be more of a lumper than a splitter. The Wikipedia article somewhat agrees with me, identifying the name with the Pan genus, and identifying the common chimpanzee and the bonobo as the two chimpanzee species. But I probably should explicitly identify the two of them….
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You missed a step then! Humans et al. are great apes. Great apes and gibbons are apes. … 😉
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Nghak! You’re right, of course.
<sigh />
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She is saying “how do they know?” with such a bad attitude that it sounds like she is using her own ignorance as evidence of the ignorance of scientists. Because she can’t understand the information or concepts at first glance she thinks no one can. It takes a special kind of vanity to use your own ignorance of a subject for a refutation.
I watched this video a few days ago, it had about 60,000 views then (comments and likes were also disabled), now she has over 800,000 views. The poor lady has gone viral for being such a bad student in the museum. Because of her special kind of vanity I expect her to ignore all criticism and answers to what she thought were rhetorical questions and only remember the insults and derision. She will take the abuse we give her as proof of the scientific and liberal conspiracy she imagines.
I couldn’t watch all of the video, but I had a look around her Youtube channel. I couldn’t see any mention of her religious beliefs or creationism. I heard her say that she thinks there are theories other than evolution, I assumed she meant Intelligent Design, but I didn’t see her giving any specific about being a creationist or even religious.
Wandering around her Youtube channel, Facebook fan page and the various websites she has written for I finally found it. She said she was a Christian on March 14th 2014 in her article “‘Put the Sex Back in Sex Ed’ Says Camille Paglia.'”
It just seemed strange to me to see a right-wing nutter showing off her ignorance in such an arrogant fashion without any mentions of some part of the Christian mythology.
She had mentioned in this video that she got her information about cave paintings in France of Stegosauri from a creationist magazine, an indirect indication of her religious leanings.
The only thing I can find of that is of a temple carving from Cambodia. It is enigmatic, but notice the plates on the back are like the decorative emblems elsewhere in the carving.
I’d have to go and check , but I think the “classic” Stegosaurus (rhomboid plates up the back, Allosaur… -modifying (my eyes still water at the thought) spikes on the tail) was a creature of the mid-West of America. Which doesn’t make it impossible for them to have been present in France (I’ll have to check), but it does make that part of her (more struggling for words) invective sound more dubious.
Think of it as just another manifestation of christian glossolalia – speech-like syllables that lack any readily comprehended meaning.
On the Wikipedia page about the Dunning–Kruger effect there’s now a picture of Megan Fox.*
*OK, not really.
Tempting …
Seems we have to add her name to the list of “Dr.Kent Hovind, Ken Ham…etc.
Why People Laugh at Creationists by ThunderfOOt
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t
Forty-six seconds for me.
Damn, but that kind of stupid is noxious.
b&
When I took my 7 year old niece to the Origins exhibit at the Smithsonian Natural History Museum in DC, she spent a great deal of time reading the exhibits and asking questions. On the metro going back to Arlington she said to me, “Aunt Ra Ra – we are apes. We look like apes. How can anyone believe that we are not apes?”
Later when she returned to Boise, Idaho, she explained to one of the children in her art class that we are apes and that she was wrong about people not having evolved.
There is hope:-)
Smart kid — and, clearly, a testament to the pedagogic skills of the crew at the Smithsonian as well.
She may only be seven, but she’s clearly ready for at least an abridged version of Richard Dawkins’s The Ancestor’s Tale. I’d probably just give her the book with an encouragement to ask questions whenever she got stuck. And Richard’s The Magic of Reality is like a must-read for her.
b&
Faggots (*) are being assembled in the forecourt of the Smithsonian (no, never been there ; but how can you have a museum without a forecourt?) even as we type, for the purpose of burning the heretics.
(*) sensu EN_GB
I think those who’re keen to strike the match really wouldn’t care which version of the term was used for fodder. Probably much prefer the American version, for that matter.
b&
Harder to light!
Again, that’d be a feature to these people, not a bug…and one easily remedied with the distillates of the stuff you dig….
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In the spirit of the faggot-lighters, take one faggot and dry-distill it, discarding the water fraction ; the resulting fluid should be more than flammable enough. The screams should set the tone nicely too.
Does anyone have that Carthaginian paper on optimising the acoustics of brass bulls? Their response to “Carthago delenda est!”
I really want that badge, but there are limits to what I can do.
Limits to what I can bear…
Plus therapy is expensive & I’m sure I’d need a lot of it afterwards.
Yeah, but you Canuckistanians have a real healthcare system. Don’t they cover mental health, too?
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Nope not really. It’s one of the things I complain about with our healthcare & wonder if it was something left over from the dualism days (ie: just pick yourself up & move on; you’re not *really* sick).
If you are suicidal, your doctor can refer you to a psychiatrist or if you present in a hospital with psychiatric issues. However therapy for issues outside of life threatening ones is not covered. I also think it’s against the Canada Health Act in my opinion.
I should add psychiatrists are covered but require a referral and are usually for more serious issues that require medication etc. Also if you don’t need that it will take you forever to see one.
Psychologists & Social Workers are not covered.
Well…at least you’re not as primitive as we are here in the States.
Here, we get “health” “insurance” racketeers deciding that the medications the doctor prescribes aren’t actually medically necessary after all. And if the doctor wants you to have three visits per week from a nurse for three weeks, the moneygrubbing overlords will tell you that you damned well better be thankful for the once-per-week visits they begrudgingly grant you.
…sorry…the way the motherfuckers fucked with my Mom’s post-operative recovery still rubs me bad….
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Yes, I am a big fan of the system we have here. We manage pretty well considering we have a fairly small tax base with a population of only ~ 35 million people. My dad’s post op care was great. He was in hospital for a few weeks because he had thoracic surgery and had to have a feeding tube to his stomach plus a million drainage tubes that made him look like the borg. He also had a blood clot in his lungs as a complication of the surgery so they ended up keeping him longer to make sure it was all fixed up.
When he got home, he still couldn’t eat normal food (had to be all ground up), he needed blood thinner shots & a nurse had to visit to change the bandages. After a while my parents told the nurse to go away because my mom could handle all the care okay herself.
And Rethuglicans have the nerve to say we’ve got the better system.
Better if you’re an insurance company executive, sure, of course. What other industry has it written into law that you’re guaranteed twenty percent profits and that everybody must be your customer? Gee, thanks Mr. Obama. May we please have another?
…I should probably shut up, now…get outside and enjoy some of this beautiful summer weather we’re having this weekend….
b&
“better” is EN_US for “more profitable”, isn’t it?
Which obviously also means “less efficient” (you pay for the treatment and the profit ; instead of just paying for the treatment).
That’s a pretty good summation of our entire economy, actually….
b&
Don’t be sorry – it should rub you bad.
The more people it continues to rub bad, and the more people who remain pissed off about it rather than just brushing it off as “the way things are”, the better the chance that something might in the long run get done about it.
It’s true that it certainly isn’t easy. It wasn’t in Canada in the 60s either. Doctors at one point refused to open their doors. In the end, people were given a choice of the old system or the new paid for system. In no time, people saw how good the new system was & the old one faded away.
I think that some employers cover some small amounts of non-shrink therapy, but basically OHIP only covers psychiatrists.
“Professor Ceiling Cat’s Badge of Honor. ”
I think that earning that badge may involve a risk of facial callouses from all of the facepalms (and head desks).
Now that she has become a minor celebrity, I wonder if she realizes that she has done her religion more harm than good with her exhibition of smug and willful ignorance? “Saint” Augustine’s warning comes to mind:
Oh, I do hope not.
Look, Augustine doesn’t count. He was some sort of greasy foreigner – horse thief, or hippopotamus-botherer, or something, not a good upstanding WASP all-American boy like Jesus.
Don’t you theoretical atheists know nothing?
Sorry – I channelled for a second ; I need to wash my brain in fuming hydrofluoric now.
I’ll wait to watch until Ah kin git a good drink of likker.
OK. I watched several more minutes of this. I like the way she walks past most of the displays and explanations, cherry picks her targets, and then passes by all the rest of the explanations. I daresay she hasn’t bothered to pick up a book to explore any of her plaintive, and rhetorical, cries of “How do they know?” She likes the fossils, though, they are neat. The good news is that she probably is not any better a proponent of her own views on religion.
No, just no. I would not be able to watch the full video.
So they let her in to show what happens when evolution goes wrong? I’m not sure why they would allow that for half an hour. Just declare it a mental problem and drop her off at the nearest church or clinic.
I watched the first few minutes, barfed, then skipped around until I landed on the Foot Argument.
I never heard the Foot Argument before and found it upstanding and well balanced.
But, seriously, have you ever really looked at your hand? I mean really, really, really looked at your hand. I did and I was like, “Man, have you really looked at your hand, man?”
🙂 🙂
Because nothing is more reliable than personal experience and seeing something with your own eyes!
She’s brushing past the exhibits because they are hard. In the Playpen View of Reality nothing important is ever going to be that hard because even the smallest child or the dullest adult is equipped to handle what they’re given.
This is the same mindset that reasons that the Bible is of course capable of being interpreted by non-experts because it has to be simple to know the truth. As a Mom, she wouldn’t fail to pay any attention to how old the child is. She wouldn’t put things which are too complicated in a playpen. Neither would God. He knows what his babies need.
It just has to be hard enough that you can learn all you need to know just by using your own common sense reasoning. Everything placed in the playpen of reality is easy to understand whether you have an education or not. It IS the education.
God is home-schooling us.
I watched about 4 minutes the other day and randomly fast forwarded to two different spots in the video. I suspect you could jumble all the scenes up in any order and have the same level of coherence; i.e., none.
Also, if these people what the answer to the question, “how do you know?” why don’t the STFU for a few minutes and listen to the explanation for, wait for it…HOW WE KNOW!!!
*of course, that should be “they STFU…”
Yeah, they’re not actually interested in getting answers. They imagine no answers will be forthcoming and that’s case closed as far as they’re concerned.
Why does she remind me of Glenn Beck?
This lunatic woman is doing authentic financial damage to the Orland (Il) Public Library by claiming that it facilitates child pornography by having open internet access. It has cost the library over $125,000.00 to defend itself against these ridiculous charges. Hemant Mehta at Friendly Atheist has a story on this and a link where you can donate to a fund to support the ongoing fight against this monster.
How horrible! Ignorant people cost society so much!
Great zombie Jesus. Declaring that none of this makes any sense to a 3rd grader, and none of this makes any sense to a 5th grader.. That as far as I got. I had to stop.
What can I say, but that religion ruins minds. The greatest, most complex thing in the known universe, ruined of its gifts of evidence based reasoning. Closed to learning. Closed to curiosity. And Megan is schooling children. I feel very sorry for the children.
That may be true for very uninformed versions of 3rd and 5th graders. I took my then 1st grader to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum and he was totally blown away by a dusty little exhibit on the evolution of the horse, with 8 or so examples of foot bones showing the progression from small animal with normal feet to huge animal walking on its middle finger. Not only did he understand it, it was his favorite part of the day, beating out T Rex.
I really liked horse evolution when I was a kid too. They talked about it often in my kid science books. I also liked bird evolution but they didn’t know then what they know now and the kids got it much better with the feathered dinosaurs!
http://ashfall.unl.edu/ashfallanimals.html
Some very cool horses in Ashfall, NB, which site I discovered through reading Bill Bryson’s A Short History of Nearly Everything ( mentioned by someone else recently on this here site.) Also a Sabre-toothed deer. It was nice to find an interesting place to stop in Nebraska on our trans-continental road trips. Well worth the short trip off the highway (can’t remember if it’s 80 or 70).
I grew up with pictures of horse evolution. Over the years I slowly learned more about what the illustrations were showing, which included that not only were their feet changing, but also their teeth. The teeth gradually became more high-crowned, with folded enamel and deeper jaws for chewing grass. Also, the more detailed included divisions in the tree that showed how a small group moved from north america to central america, and speciated into unique types, and also into the old world. Again speciating into unique types that still sustained diagnostic traits that were derived from the specific group that moved into the old world. These migrations happened exactly when sea levels had dropped so the whole thing hangs together because they could cross over land bridges just then.
See? The whole story is intricate, supported by tons of facts, and is true, dammit.
“It just does not make sense! How do you KNOW that?!”, screeches Mrs Fox, crushing any hope for curiosity and wonder of her children.
Jerry, please don’t shoot yourself. We need you. Thank you.
Oh, and I am unable to accept Professor Ceiling Cat’s Badge of Honor at this time.
When are you going to stop using the phrase “Thank God” in your postings? Which God are you thanking?
When will I stop that? I’ll stop you ever get another comment published on this site—which is. . . NEVER.
Read the rules, please, though it’s too late for you. Nor will I stop saying “God damn it” when I hurt myself, or “Bless you,” when someone sneezes.
I swear; some people have no idea how to act civilly on the internet.
Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, man, are you serious?
God damn, but some people can be clueless. By Jupiter’s beard, I swear to High Heaven that some are as likely to “get it” as Tantalus is to slake his thirst.
God be wit’ ye! (Or, “Goodbye,” as the young’uns today say it.)
b&
By Jove!
Or, as dentists sometimes swear, By Cuspid!
Sorry.
We’ll forgive you. But just this once…
Or “By Anubis” (a canine god).
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So, Ant, are you in the Calif desert? I kept reading it as 29 Psalms and wondering your point?
Yes! We’re heading into Joshua Tree National Park today.
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My cousin lives there, does rock climbing instruction. Beautiful place!
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Love that park! the Joshua Trees are soooo weird. Lots of cool lizards, too. Where do you live normally?
Just south of Lincoln, UK. On a jaunt ahead of a conference in Vegas next week.
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Thought you were a Brit. Will you get to see the GRand Canyon?
Not on this trip. But we’ve been to the South Rim a couple of times (once by car, staying in a chalet literally the other side of the path from the canyon, and once, with our adult kids, by plane from Vegas) and once to the West Rim by helicopter from Vegas.
(Yes, we take a lot of holidays in the southwestern United States.)
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Love Grand Canyon: despite having seen so many pictures you can’t believe how spectacular it actually is. We drove there about 10 years ago and stayed for a couple of days right on the South Rim. Got stuck in a mud slide about 1/3 down Bright Angel Trail ( the day had begun clear and blue and 75F). Lots of excitement, but all ended well. It’s amazing how the colors seem to change every few minutes.
Fun fact I just learned a couple of years ago: The Colorado used to be the Grand River, thus Grand Canyon ( and Grand Junction).
Best stargazing place in Southern California!
That’s another of Satan’s names?
In a David Sedaris story, he walked in on his own father and aunt having sex, and said “Jesus!” his father said “Jesus!” his aunt said “Jesus!” Then in unison they said “Jesus Christ!” Sedaris points out you don’t need to believe in the deity for it to be a name that is appropriate in certain situations, or something like that– not a direct quote, as I don’t now have the book to refer to.
I watched the whole video. Yucky, but it makes me want to visit the museum and read my way through the exhibits, so much to learn there. A small but wonderful museum near me is the New Brunswick Museum in St. John New Brunswick, Canada. Quite Interesting fossils and geology, well displayed and explained, and free guided tours are offered.
David Sedaris just kills me every time😸
Even though I had already read the comments I didn’t anticipate the utter ignorance of this woman. “This just doesn’t make sense” over and over again. “This is 100 year old science” in the sense that it is out-of-date. 6.20 was my limit.
“This is hundred year old science, get with the times” says the woman taking 3000 year old myths as scientific fact…
Just skip to the end for her take on human evolution. Neanderthals were just regular men with big foreheads.
Nobody ever thinks of that. Why doesn’t anyone ever think of that? It’s so simple! Big foreheads! Like Eastern Europeans!
This is not surprising at all. I have heard this from a number of church going folks. They hear this from their pastors. They believe the Bible holds truth and that it must be defended. It is the pastors who sound most angry. The membership is a bit less angry. Folks like Ken Ham come across as calm and sure of themselves.
So, a half-hour of argument from ignorance?
Sounds like Asimov had this lady in mind when he wrote that many people think “[their] ignorance is just as good as your knowledge”.
More like half an hour of argument from idiotic incompetent asshattery. “Ignorance” doesn’t even begin to do this woman justice.
Hell, I doubt even Aidan has any geologist-equipment that could penetrate this woman’s skull.
b&
Not even an ACME anvil?
I think Aidan knows better than to get on a floating vessel with ACME products aboard….
b&
Only thing I could try would be simple crushing. diamond-tipped drill bit turned by a 2000HP hydraulic motor – it’d just skate off to the side.
Nah, you get junk (*) in the hole(*) like this and the simplest thing to do is dump a couple of cubes (m^3) of concrete on top of it then drill off to the side before re-directing the string around the obstruction. That’d only cost (re-calculates to this rig’s day rate) $500,000 or so, while you could spend a day grinding this, make no progress and still have the sidetrack costs to pay.
Old joke : a roughneck fell head first into the hole, drowned, and couldn't be fished out. Only thing to do is to carry on drilling.Day's summary report : drilled a foot. Tomorrow's expectation : drill ahead.
I'll be here all week. Or until Monday, at least.
(*) These are technical terms, used correctly. If they sound like I’m being nasty … well it’s because I am. But that doesn’t make them any the less than the correct terms to use.
You’re serious about a diamond-tipped drill bit turned by a 2KHP motor being stopped by certain objects, aren’t you?
Idle curiosity…just what sorts of things would those be, exactly? And wouldn’t many of them be profitable to extract all by themselves?
…then again, I still experience mind bogglage at the thought of Deepwater Horizon, a seven-mile-deep well with the wellhead a mile beneath the waves…and of that not being at all remarkable in the context of the industry….
b&
People confuse “hard” and “tough.”
The main part of the next segment of this well (I’m doing an infill from exploration work – I’ve probably drilled 50+ well in this area) is the “Chalk Group” – about 1000m of a soft crumbly white limestone (in the White Cliffs of Dover), comprised of better than 90% calcite (Moh’s hardness 3). But drilling it with a PDC (Polycrystalline Diamond Compact) drill bit in 8.5in hole will take better than 10 days hours on bottom because of the fine grain of the material. Million – literally – of grains need to be fractured to move each cubic centimetre of Chalk. And all of that energy has to come from the 2000 HP motor in the “top drive”.
Put a new blade into your hacksaw. Cut 10cm of steel. Then cut 10cm of glass-fibre-reinforced-plastic (“glass fibre” to most people). One will be harder work than the other.
I remember cutting up an angle-iron bedstead once in the 1970 to make a frame for something – a stone saw, IIRC – and was gob-smacked by how hard it was. After several hours, Dad got fed up listening to the grunting form the cellar and came to inform me that those bedsteads really were re-cycled battleship armour plate. Hmmm, which explained why they were tough, if not particularly hard.
You’re the 3rd person I’ve had to explain this to this week. Including a graduate Drilling Engineer.
I much appreciate the explanation — makes perfect sense. And, with your explanation, I can imagine there must be all sorts of other dynamics potentially at work, such as the space between teeth of the bit getting loaded up with gunk such that the gunk winds up pushing against whatever you’re trying to cut through and the teeth never getting close. And heat buildup from friction ruining the temper of the metallic parts of the bit…but I’d guess you’d have temperature sensors designed to tell the guy at the switch when to flip said switch for that sort of thing. Not that he’d actually flip the switch, but at least so that somebody could yell at him for not flipping the switch.
Still…it’s kinda like a 747. I can give you a basic primer on the aerodynamics at work, and I’ve watched them fly overhead from less than a mile from the end of the runway. I still don’t quite actually believe that they’re real…just as I’m not sure I can quite believe that a couple thousand horsepower behind a diamond-tipped drill bit can actually get bogged down….
Now that’s depressing. Somehow I would have thought that becoming a drilling engineer would be nothing but learning about…you know? Drilling? Silly me, I know — what were any of us thinking?
b&
We call it “bit-balling”. We optimise the mud viscosity (as much as you can, given the problems of turbulence, and the variation of properties between NTP and 500bar ambient pressure & 100ºC) and pump like “tarnation”. The last week we’ve been using about 3400 litre/minute ; the “junk slots” which channel this flow across the bit face have an area of around 5cm X 2cm, so that gives a cross-face flow of (fumbles) I make it just under a kilometre per second. Of course, that’s not our only constraint : pumps that push 3400 l/min up to 300 bar are running pretty close to blowing a gasket, literally. You do not want to be in the pump room when a fluid end goes. Believe me, you do not want to be there.
See above flow figures ; cooling comes for free. Sort of.
The dense (Crystal?) skull would become a ball bearing on the bottom of the hole. The bottom of the hole wouldn’t exert enough drag to cause significant damage to the skull. Crank up the weight on the bit, crank up the horsepower, the thing would just spin harder.
He’s young – only a couple of years out of university. They don’t teach real world stuff in universities – they teach things like planning casing systems and working out how big a rig you need to handle so much of a casing string. The guy doesn’t have a well control certificate, or anything, and nor would he. Office staff, not field staff. Hell, I’ve swung more rig tongs than he has, and I studiously avoid the drill floor if I can because it’s dirty (small problem), noisy (bigger problem – for what remains of my hearing) and just flat-out dangerous. I go there on need, not on a whim.
Jesus Christ, man! That’d be Mach 3 if the medium were air! And, I’m sure, a significant fraction of the speed of sound in mud, too…the guys who design your rigs must be as nuts as those who operate it.
(“Transsonic Mud” — another garage band name!)
Or, at least, damned little of it, if my own experience is to go by. I wouldn’t call my own degree totally worthless, but job training it most certainly wasn’t. Nor, come to think of it, should it have been…college is the time to learn all that stuff that you’re never going to learn anywhere else….
I’m sure I’d get a kick out of playing tourist…once. And I might want to do it wearing full biochemical warfare battle armor, what with all the transsonic mud flying about….
b&
Most months I have at least one trainee who needs to be “buddied” around the rig, until they know where they’re going, which doorways to watch out for overhead loads when passing through, get the cyclic progression of mud around the system and where we interrupt it to take our samples.
It’s a regular “need”. When the trainee is off shift, I’ve no need to go there.
Water depth is about right. But the reservoir was only at about 18 or so thousand feet (I don’t have the numbers to hand) which is barely 3 miles.
7 miles … 42000ft. The deepest borehole i nthe world is the Kola Superdeep well in metamorphic rocks in Russia – took about 20 years to drill, still acquiring data form it. Got about 1/3 of the way to the Mohorovicic Discontinuity. 11km / 35-ish thousand feet. Second deepest was the Kontinental Tief Bohrung (apologies for the Massacre of the Umlauts), KTB in Bavaria. Several of my colleagues worked on that – some crazy shit is not for publication. 9.8km vertically.
There are longer wells, but not deeper. Unless the Japanese have been doing funny things with that muckle great big new drill ship of theirs (I wouldn’t put it past them).
Thanks for the corrections. I don’t remember where I got the figure from; it’s been a long time.
…and a correction of my own. You wouldn’t have grown up with it, but I had it “drilled” into my head…5,280 feet to the mile. 18,000 feet = 3.4 miles; 7 miles = 37,000 feet. Of course, roughly three feet to the meter, so that’s a bit less than 6 km and 12 km respectively.
Any chance that it could have been length I would have initially misunderstood for depth with the Deepshit Ohfuck? Might they have drilled a total of a dozen kilometers to reach a reservoir a third that depth beneath the seabed?
…and it just occurred to me. That’s an incredibly long extension on the drill bit. I imagine simple mechanical losses including lots of flexing are going to rob an awful lot of the power of that 2KHP motor by the time it gets to the other end….
b&
Oh yeah, 1760 yards. I must have been getting nautical and statute miles mixed up. It was drilled into my head, but I’ve drilled it out again.
Macondo was pretty close to vertical. Measured depth (MD) ~= true vertical depth below rotary table (TVDBRT) = true vertical depth sub-sea (TVDSS) plus rotary table elevation. (It gets more complex when you’re plotting things in TVDSS on a rig where ground level is thousands of metres above sea level. It gets messy keeping the depths straight.) Wells with a 5:1 aspect ration have been done – it’s actually easier in some respects than drilling a 3:1 aspect ratio because you don’t have the problem of cutting avalanching when you stop circulating. Normally you’d do this sort of extended reach drilling to reduce the number of surface installations you’re needing. Say, you develop form 2 or 3 drilling pads in a city instead of having wellheads in 30 locations, or you have one platform at sea and 100 wells radiating from it like a demented Catherine wheel.
Oh aye – in a highly deviated well most of your effort at surface goes on turning against wellbore friction (not a Macondo issue though) and it can reach the point that you twist the drill string apart. You don’t want to do that (counts … High Teas Sillier ; Galv Quay x2 (Drilling Engineer didn’t believe us that his rotary vibration node was unstabilised ; not responsible for advice not taken) ; Muravlenko … I think I see it about once a decade). So very often you put a hydraulic-powered rotary motor into the bottom of the drill string, powered by the 3400 l/min of mud flow, and just turn the drill bit ; the rest of the string you slide, or rotate at a few RPM. Of course, the back-pressure from operating the motor increases your surface pressures, so you can’t have such a high flow rate, reducing your capacity to transport cuttings of rock to surface.
We sell Drilling Engineering courses. They’re presented by people who teach, not people who do. When people hire me to work as a geologist, I frequently end up teaching an oil company new-hire geologist Drilling Engineering 1.0.1 “at the coal face”.
Then I have no explanation for where I got my earlier figures.
Now I’m imagining the seabed as being kinda like giant foam with massive disconnected bubbles filled with oil. Would the total volume pumped by the “Demented Catherine Wheel” (What is it with all these garage bands!?) be comparable with single deposits elsewhere (and elsewhen)?
That happened to the distributor shaft in the Mustang a while back…what formerly looked like a straight alan wrench now is a pair of barber poles. Imagining that happening to something…what, as thick as your leg, your torso? No, I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near that.
I can completely relate. I’ve done training for Motorola as one of those who teaches, not does. Taught some of the guys who built parts then already on Mars how to use their new process control software. I wasn’t then nor am I now under any illusion that what I was teaching was how they should or would actually use it…just that I was telling them what Motorola was paying me to tell them.
For some of the classes, what I did made perfect sense. They rolled out a new version of a time entry system, had me teach classes on it to accountants, including some specifics of policy of how Motorola wanted things done in contrast to how a minority of people had been doing it through “institutional knowledge.” And I had to repeatedly explain, “I know this isn’t the way many of you have done this before, but it’s how The Powers That Be really do want you to do it ‘going forward.’ No, I can’t tell you why they want it done this way, only that that’s the way they want it done, so, please, either do it this way or argue with them directly.” But for the clueful engineers and the process management software, it was mostly just a guided tour of a new toy, with lots of time spent me shutting the hell up and letting them play and only answering a few questions as they thought of them.
But to actually learn how to do a job? Nothing beats the apprentice system. Start with some overview book learning of the theory, then have the new hires shadow some old fart, then let the old fart ask the new hire for an hand where there’s not much risk of losing it, and keep up with the baby steps until the old fart is retired and the new hire has transmogrified into the old fart.
b&
“Nothing beats the apprentice system.”
Concur. I perceive the apotheosis of the efficacy of the apprentice system to be Abraham Lincoln. Talk about someone who maximized his opportunities. Pulling a book out of his hind pocket to read when taking an infrequent break from ploughing or pulling up stumps for a fee all of which his Philistine father pocketed. Being encouraged by his step-mother Nancy Hanks. Wish he and Darwin could have met an confabbed.
Remember when you’re talking about oil (and for that matter, groundwater in aquifers), you’re talking about fluids which exist in the pore spaces between grains of sand (or limestone, or even shale) ; there aren’t huge open spaces – just lots of half-millimetre passages through which the fluid has to flow to get into the wellbore
If you’re doing a field assessment, then you use your seismic (with well control) to estimate the thickness of the reservoir, it’s porosity, it’s water saturation (Sw, how much water versus hydrocarbon), and the area enclosed by the sub-surface contour at your shallowest point of closure – the so-called “spill point” for the prospect. Thickness x area gives you a rock volume ; multiply again by porosity (0..1) to get the fluid volume ; multiply again by (1-Sw) and kaboom-tish you have your first estimate of OOIP – Oil Originally In Place.
Then you improve your model because the rock doesn’t have the same porosity all through the section. And the thickness isn’t uniform across the field. Got a gas cap? That’ll produce at different rates, but do you want to keep it in place for pressure support, or can you sell it at surface if you separate it out (you can’t leave it in the oil – makes transport difficult unless you’re designed your pipeline to take going into and out of solution with temperature and pressure changes. Did I mention methane hydrates? ).
Standard drill pipe (DP) is 5-1/4 or 5-7/8 inch diameter (sorry – it gets all imperial again). Normal grades of DP will have a yield strength of around 550klbf. When it’s new. And unfatigued. Of course, the rotating doesn’t do it any good. But what really hurts is if you get your load calculations wrong and both rotate it AND have it oscillating between tension and compression. That’s when you initiate cracks, which then leak mud at several thousand psi pressure difference and it’s all over in a couple of minutes. Out with the fishing gear.
Apprentice system is pretty much the way that it goes. Learn on the job. We also do the training courses, but they’re for oil company staff generally. Contractors such as myself typically get poached from other employers, apart from a number of very basic jobs, where people get on-the-job training. In each years intake of spotty young graduates, you’ll lose 50% from the business in the first year. some people just don’t like the offshore lifestyle. So, we keep our eyes peeled for people with potential when we’re out on the job, and poach them. The alternative is spending 10s of thousands of quid doing safety training, coursework, taking up the time of instructors (e.g., me) … and then they decide to get an office job onshore after it all. It’s simply not worth the effort. (If we can drive up our competitor’s recruitment and training costs too, all the better.)
A better rough approximation would be 3m = 10′.
/@ / 29 Palms
Or, the easier one to remember…G = 9.8 m/s/s = 32 ft/s/s.
…not that any of these are all that easy to convert back and forth.
Well, one exception. 1 mile = Phi kilometers, so 1 kilometer = phi miles. Not that multiplying by 1.6 or 0.6 is intuitive, of course….
b&
Hmm… 1.618 (φ) vs 1.604 … close enough for a back of envelope calculation, I guess.
/@ / Las Vegas
Yes, exactly. Almost any number lends itself not too terribly to quickly multiplying or dividing by 1.6, or dividing or multiplying by 0.6, or recognizing the ratio 1:1.6 or 1:0.6 or 1.6:1 or 0.6:1 or some variation on the theme. With, of course, the one always being the inversion of the other
Φ is an incredibly useful number….
b&
“We’re still stuck with 100 year old science. Its disgusting!” 😀
(believes in 2000 year old ignorance)
If she is a genuine truth seeker, and that’s a possibilty, it will eventually make her doubt her faith. Dan Fincke, I believe, wrote about the aspect of Evangelicalism where they really want to know “The Truth” yet are too ignorant and confused — but the element is there that can break the spell.
“How do they know” is actually a good, and a dangerous question in her position. I hope vanity and the internet come together and answers are provided that she hears about. Fingers crossed they are well enough explained or she is smart enough to understand them.
This woman lives in my area. I bow my head in shame.
And what she has done to the Orland Park Public Library … shameful.
Off to boil my trilobite. I don’t know where it came from.
One interesting thing that (I think) no one has pointed out yet is that the Field museum permitted her to tour the museum, say what she wanted to, comment as she liked, take pictures/video, etc.
Now, how many of you think Ken Ham would have put up with an equal but opposite reaction by someone to his
museumpseudo-intellectual whorehouse? In case you weren’t sure, and raised your hand, you probably want to check out PZ Myers review of the creationism museum.So, which side is in favor of open debate and honest presentation of the facts in a context of mutual questioning and search for what it true?
How the mighty have fallen.
He sounds almost congenial here talking against loony creationists compared with his verbal abuse of a respectable fellow atheist a few days ago.
Best argument against atheism…P.Z.Myers.
Yes, I’ve heard many bad things about PZ recently, and don’t go to Pharyngula any more (time considerations only), but back a few years I learned a lot from his site, and still have a bunch of it put where I can get to it easily. He appeals to, shall we call it, the more pugnacious aspect of my nature.
I guess I’m a “big-tent” atheist; I respect and appreciate Professor Ceiling Cat (and numerous commentators at this web site), Dawkins, Hitchens (and everyone in his The Portable Atheist anthology), Gould, Sagan, PZ, the gang at Panda’s Thumb, Pigliucci, Moran, Greta Christina, Harris, Jacoby, David Mills, Ingersoll, Mencken, Lucretius, Shermer, Hirsi Ali, Dewitt, Aus, Barker, Stenger and others, even if I don’t necessarily agree with everything every one of them says or does. Of course, I do agree with the vast majority of both their ideas and actions…
I lived through the entire video and eagerly await my Badge of Honor.
I hereupon confer on you Professer Ceiling Cat’s Badge of Honor (PCCBH), which you can append to your name at times of your choosing.
I watched the whole thing!
Now I want my badge of honour!
My take:
It’s interesting that her main argument is “how do they know” “they weren’t there” “where is the video tape” – even though the scientists she refers to have lots of evidence. But she knows that dragons existed but she doesn’t even realise that the same argument can be levelled at her: “how do you know” “you weren’t there” “where is the video”
Same for her god of course.
I’m not normally into snuff porn but I’m looking forward to seeing her video of Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection on her YouTube site.
Having forced myself to watch some of this video, I am of the firm opinion that this woman is displaying all the signs of having the unfortunate but common malaise called Anti Science Syndrome. Typical of the many symptoms of ASS include multiple & irrational iterations of terms such as,”How do you know?” or, for example, “Why are there still monkeys?” despite a plethora of reasoned evidence and answers having been given by experts (but rejected by the sufferer!)
Unfortunately this malaise, although most often not fatal, can be highly contagious and damaging, especially to young minds. The good news is that effective remedies involving good education and, (ironically), injections or courses of science can yield very beneficial results or even a complete cure.
Suffice to say, however, that due diligence is still required even in this modern era.
ASS should definitely be included in the next DSM!
One “simply” has to find a way to show that she’s dysfunctional in a way that bothers her, and it becomes diagnosable (perhaps) as a delusion.
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That video had already received 872,330 views when I viewed it. I seriously doubt that the majority of the views were by people who only watch 7 minutes before their heads exploded and could stands no more or who were watching for pure comic value.
Quite to the contrary, I think. And that’s perhaps the most frightening fact of all.
I have several blood relatives who are as willfully ignorant as Ms. Fox. Some of them (I actually think all of them) suffer from serious mental problems. The ones that have been diagnosed must regularly medicate in order to maintain the very shaky balance that they are still fortunate to enjoy. I avoid them like the plague. There is no other option if you wish to maintain your own sanity and civility. Their stupidity and ignorance – when confronted with a sane and logical mind could only lead to acrimony, maybe worse. I’ve frequently been tempted towards thoughts of dismemberment.
The worst part of it all, of course, is that these morons vote. And IMHO, therein lies the entire problem. Their main goal is to make their form of insanity mainstream. And they believe that they have a mandate from their god to get ‘er done.
How else can you explain idiotic morons like Gohmert, Backmann, Palin, Perry, et. al. sitting behind desks in what is supposed to be one of the most enlightened legislative bodies on the planet?
Morons elect morons to represent them. At the same time, the rest of the country’s reasonably sane population must suffer the consequences.
The moron population is not showing signs of diminishing. From just casual observances, I think an epidemic of stupidity and ignorance is enveloping the entire country.
Summary: There’s better than a 50% chance that we’re freakin’ doomed!
I devised a hypothesis years ago that our society selects for “stupid”. I find the less intelligent seem to have the most children and overwhelm the more intelligent population. In a democracy, those less intelligent people can start running the show.
“….start running the show?” We’re considerably more along that route than anywhere near the starting point.
I’ve long maintained the the lunatics had gotten hold of the asylum’s keys. Mencken admitted as much in the 40s. Stupidity and willful ignorance have, like cancer, been with us forever. The only difference that I can see of contemporary S&WI is that it has actually become “fashionable.” When I was a woopersnapper, such stupidity was commonly identified for what it was and everyone ran 180 degrees in the opposite direction when they experienced it. Additionally, we had many more asylums in this country “back in the day.” That was before the late 60s when the country decided that it was better to “mainstream” the idiots and simply under or de-fund all outpatient drugs and psychiatric care.
Everywhere you look you’ll find the signs of impending disaster should the direction we are experiencing go unchanged – catastrophic climate change related to carbon emissions will deal the deadliest blow. In the meantime, it the collapse of our democracy.
She IS the missing link.
That’s insulting to missing links! (And also, I’m sure, to Listing Minks, so long as we’re on a garage band name kick.)
b&
I hate it when minks list- poor critters:-)
Ben, also to Lusting Monks?
Or missing da marbles
Here’s a video that debunks the principal passages of Mrs. Fox’ ramblings quite nicely:
“If they evolved why are the still here”
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The old chime of the anti-evolutionist’s bell. They seem to think that somehow, suddenly, *all* individuals of a species change into something other. They watch too much Transformers or X-Men, it seems.
If dogs are bred from wolves by man, why are there still wolves? If bread is made of wheat, why is there still wheat?
If Adam and Eve were made from dirt, why is there still dirt?
I did it! I made it through to the end. Please tell me I’m not too late for the one, the only Prof Ceiling Cat Badge of Honor. Many brain cells were lost to achieve this distinction, may it be that they did not die in vain.
And as for “How do they know that?” ad nauseum – Perhaps one should ask why scientists reach the conclusions they do and actually listen to the answers? Nah. If ignorance is bliss, this is one happy lady.
Yes, you may henceforth append PCCBH to your name.
At least Neanderthal man was found & there’s fossil record that he existed. Where’s the proof of creationism? There is none. She can’t see god but she believes he’s there even though there’s no physical proof he exists. But Despite the physical scientific proof of evolution , this chick keeps saying How Do You Know??? I’d like to ask her the same question – how does she know god created the world in 7 days? Where’s the videotape?