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Meh. Our Husky can do that. She can also ask to go out to pee (chin-tap), sometimes lie about it, and escape from any fence. Not impressed.
You’ve already made up you mind. No amount, or quality, of evidence will convince you that your beliefs do not comport with reality.
🙂 (just to be sure of proper context)
Cats R stoopid and deep down inside you know it. You are just succumbing to your inherent naughtiness when you say otherwise.
Seriously though, it’s always interesting to see an animal sort out something like this which we consider clever. We have such trouble sorting out just how clever it really is. If I recall correctly, some primate researchers were running an experiment where they were trying to cue a chimp to find hidden food by having the experimenter look at the proper location. The chimps were demonstrating some difficulty with the task when one of the researchers’ associates dropped by and observed, “Oh, my dog can do that.” They brought the dog in, and it could. Yet nobody thinks dogs are smarter than chimps
The hypothesis that dogs have been selected, by us of course, for the ability to socialize with us seems very plausible to me. Wolves, from which dogs were bred, fail that same test, and similar tests.
Yes, there is evidence to show that dogs were selected to work with us. I also read an article a few months ago that suggests dogs actually adapted their diet to be higher in carbs from eating human food and that wolves are unable to digest high carb foods like dogs can. Here is the article.
Once my kids reached 6 months or so old I began to notice something I had always seen in dogs. Both dogs and young kids, mine anyway, focus on your face for cues about how to act / react. Anythime they’d do something they thought might be wrong, get them in trouble or have an accident, the first thing they would do is get a good look at my face.
Apparently dogs understand to look where you point where wolves don’t learn this. My dog always looked at me but you can enforce the behaviour through training as well. My dog would rather sniff stuff. :)my dog is also good at pointing with her nose to show you what she wants. She will sit near something, look at you then slowly move her head to what she wants. She probably thinks humans are particularly thick. 🙂
Jerry Freudian slipped by spelling dog out completely in the title 🙂
Not a Freudian slip, but I did fix that, thanks. . .
Pavlovian?
Only if someone dinged a bell every time Jerry wrote d*g. 🙂
I’ll set up the carillon… 🙂
I thought ignoring scientific data and continuing to believe what you want to believe in the face of said data was only for the creationists! Dogs are smarter than cats. Science proves it. Evolutionary theory has a little something to say about it as well. You are a delusional Kitty-Cat Fundamentalist is what you are.
S. Shultz, R. Dunbar. Encephalization is not a universal macroevolutionary phenomenon in mammals but is associated with sociality. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2010; DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1005246107
Then please explain how it is that cats PWN(!) d*gs on such a regular basis.
And for all our sakes have a care man! Ceiling Cat is watching!
D*gs are pack animals. I concede that they might seem smart in tests based on tests related to their pack behaviour.
Well, I think the comments are somewhat tongue in cheek.
I’m fairly sure d*gs do wretchedly on the feline scale of awesomeness. Some examples that we could include is above.
[But honestly, dogs seem to dr**l more. Yeech!]
Sure dogs drool more, but still. Have you ever seen a cat with a catnip toy? We have a little mouse like toy that we stuff full of catnip for our cat. After 10-15 minutes of orgiastic play the toy is soaking wet with kitty drool. GROSS!
Having a bigger brain is first and foremost associated with being a predator.
Lions are both predatory and social, so you’d expect them to have especially big brains. Oddly enough, solitary tigers have them beat, while many other solitary cats are tied with the lion.
So there’s no good reason to expect domesticated cats to be less intelligent than domesticated dogs.
Cats are so cool!!!!!
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Hmm. My cats already sit and give paw on command. It cannot be that hard to transfer that behaviour to a high five.
*fetches the kitteh treats*
Yes, you can easily build on an animal’s training with positive rewards. My dog “targets” with her nose by touching a spot that is marked. She’ll also tap your hands with her nose. When she learned hand signals, we taught by exaggerating the hand signal and giving a verbal command then stopping the verbal command & pulling back on the exaggeration of the hand signal.
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This is too cool not to share with everyone!
I love these d*g-baiting posts.
I grew up a cat person and still am one. Cats are completely amazing. But at age 35 I got a border collie and my life was changed for the better.
The reasons folks don’t like dogs and prefer cats or don’t like cats and prefer dogs is due to stereotypes of both.
Cat-lovers see dogs as the following: predictable, yappy, completely reliant on humans for food, activity, and excretion, sycophantically-affectionate, unsophisticated, sometimes dangerous.
Dog-lovers see cats as the following: aloof, unpredictable, indifferent to human attention except when it serves them, indoor excreters, often vindictive, generally immobile and uninteresting.
Of course, like all stereotypes, there are bits of truth embedded within the excelsior: I’m perfectly fine with cats micturating in my house but definitely not fine with dogs doing the same.
I’ve had both Fords and Chevrolets and cats and dogs. I don’t have sense enough to stay in out of the rain–I’m part hydrologist.
I picked up a stray dog, abused and abandoned, and it took her a year to “get back to normal.” She was a gentle soul, a Lady.
My wife picked a big middle-aged cat out of a garbage can in the big city park where we both worked, a long-haired tuxedo named Gordo Alcazar Tezon y Olinghouse (GATO). When we first brought Gordo home, we immediately introduced Gordo to Lady. Lady sniffed, Gordo hissed, and that was that. ‘Twas love at first sight. Pals ‘til they died.
Our dogs killed foxes that dared enter their compound, but they never killed the cat. They loved the old battler. The cat killed, specialized in killing, rare songbirds. The coyotes (the few that are left), kill indigenous foxes and feral (or straying) cats, but some species of indigenous chaparral birds have been extirpated from many of the canyon remnants—too many foxes and too many cats. Dogs are not allowed to roam free as are cats—“fortunate” for the individual cats, but the jury is still out on what the stable population numbers of each species and those with which they did not evolve might be. I suspect we’ll never know.
Evolutionary biologists, ARISE!
Kudos to you for rescuing your animals! My dog was on death row in Ohio when a non profit group rescued her. She was well under weight and had a bad sinus infection. They spayed her (she was only around 8 months old) and I picked her from a post on Petfinder. I had to take her to the emergency vet the day after I brought her home because that infection made her wheeze. She is the smartest & cuddliest dog I’ve ever had and everyone who meets her loves her despite her enormity!
I object. Those aren’t d_gs, they are tribbles.
Meh. Our Husky can do that. She can also ask to go out to pee (chin-tap), sometimes lie about it, and escape from any fence. Not impressed.
You’ve already made up you mind. No amount, or quality, of evidence will convince you that your beliefs do not comport with reality.
🙂 (just to be sure of proper context)
Cats R stoopid and deep down inside you know it. You are just succumbing to your inherent naughtiness when you say otherwise.
Seriously though, it’s always interesting to see an animal sort out something like this which we consider clever. We have such trouble sorting out just how clever it really is. If I recall correctly, some primate researchers were running an experiment where they were trying to cue a chimp to find hidden food by having the experimenter look at the proper location. The chimps were demonstrating some difficulty with the task when one of the researchers’ associates dropped by and observed, “Oh, my dog can do that.” They brought the dog in, and it could. Yet nobody thinks dogs are smarter than chimps
The hypothesis that dogs have been selected, by us of course, for the ability to socialize with us seems very plausible to me. Wolves, from which dogs were bred, fail that same test, and similar tests.
Yes, there is evidence to show that dogs were selected to work with us. I also read an article a few months ago that suggests dogs actually adapted their diet to be higher in carbs from eating human food and that wolves are unable to digest high carb foods like dogs can. Here is the article.
Once my kids reached 6 months or so old I began to notice something I had always seen in dogs. Both dogs and young kids, mine anyway, focus on your face for cues about how to act / react. Anythime they’d do something they thought might be wrong, get them in trouble or have an accident, the first thing they would do is get a good look at my face.
Apparently dogs understand to look where you point where wolves don’t learn this. My dog always looked at me but you can enforce the behaviour through training as well. My dog would rather sniff stuff. :)my dog is also good at pointing with her nose to show you what she wants. She will sit near something, look at you then slowly move her head to what she wants. She probably thinks humans are particularly thick. 🙂
Jerry Freudian slipped by spelling dog out completely in the title 🙂
Not a Freudian slip, but I did fix that, thanks. . .
Pavlovian?
Only if someone dinged a bell every time Jerry wrote d*g. 🙂
I’ll set up the carillon… 🙂
I thought ignoring scientific data and continuing to believe what you want to believe in the face of said data was only for the creationists! Dogs are smarter than cats. Science proves it. Evolutionary theory has a little something to say about it as well. You are a delusional Kitty-Cat Fundamentalist is what you are.
S. Shultz, R. Dunbar. Encephalization is not a universal macroevolutionary phenomenon in mammals but is associated with sociality. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2010; DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1005246107
Then please explain how it is that cats PWN(!) d*gs on such a regular basis.
And for all our sakes have a care man! Ceiling Cat is watching!
D*gs are pack animals. I concede that they might seem smart in tests based on tests related to their pack behaviour.
Well, I think the comments are somewhat tongue in cheek.
I’m fairly sure d*gs do wretchedly on the feline scale of awesomeness. Some examples that we could include is above.
[But honestly, dogs seem to dr**l more. Yeech!]
Sure dogs drool more, but still. Have you ever seen a cat with a catnip toy? We have a little mouse like toy that we stuff full of catnip for our cat. After 10-15 minutes of orgiastic play the toy is soaking wet with kitty drool. GROSS!
Having a bigger brain is first and foremost associated with being a predator.
Lions are both predatory and social, so you’d expect them to have especially big brains. Oddly enough, solitary tigers have them beat, while many other solitary cats are tied with the lion.
So there’s no good reason to expect domesticated cats to be less intelligent than domesticated dogs.
Cats are so cool!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Hmm. My cats already sit and give paw on command. It cannot be that hard to transfer that behaviour to a high five.
*fetches the kitteh treats*
Yes, you can easily build on an animal’s training with positive rewards. My dog “targets” with her nose by touching a spot that is marked. She’ll also tap your hands with her nose. When she learned hand signals, we taught by exaggerating the hand signal and giving a verbal command then stopping the verbal command & pulling back on the exaggeration of the hand signal.
Remarkable. I didn’t know cats were that smart!
Dogs have owners, cats have staff… 🙂
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Reblogged this on A man and his brain and commented:
This is too cool not to share with everyone!
I love these d*g-baiting posts.
I grew up a cat person and still am one. Cats are completely amazing. But at age 35 I got a border collie and my life was changed for the better.
The reasons folks don’t like dogs and prefer cats or don’t like cats and prefer dogs is due to stereotypes of both.
Cat-lovers see dogs as the following: predictable, yappy, completely reliant on humans for food, activity, and excretion, sycophantically-affectionate, unsophisticated, sometimes dangerous.
Dog-lovers see cats as the following: aloof, unpredictable, indifferent to human attention except when it serves them, indoor excreters, often vindictive, generally immobile and uninteresting.
Of course, like all stereotypes, there are bits of truth embedded within the excelsior: I’m perfectly fine with cats micturating in my house but definitely not fine with dogs doing the same.
Kittehs on the beat, hattip 3quarksdaily:
http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2013/08/kittens-on-the-beat.html
I’ve had both Fords and Chevrolets and cats and dogs. I don’t have sense enough to stay in out of the rain–I’m part hydrologist.
I picked up a stray dog, abused and abandoned, and it took her a year to “get back to normal.” She was a gentle soul, a Lady.
My wife picked a big middle-aged cat out of a garbage can in the big city park where we both worked, a long-haired tuxedo named Gordo Alcazar Tezon y Olinghouse (GATO). When we first brought Gordo home, we immediately introduced Gordo to Lady. Lady sniffed, Gordo hissed, and that was that. ‘Twas love at first sight. Pals ‘til they died.
Our dogs killed foxes that dared enter their compound, but they never killed the cat. They loved the old battler. The cat killed, specialized in killing, rare songbirds. The coyotes (the few that are left), kill indigenous foxes and feral (or straying) cats, but some species of indigenous chaparral birds have been extirpated from many of the canyon remnants—too many foxes and too many cats. Dogs are not allowed to roam free as are cats—“fortunate” for the individual cats, but the jury is still out on what the stable population numbers of each species and those with which they did not evolve might be. I suspect we’ll never know.
Evolutionary biologists, ARISE!
Kudos to you for rescuing your animals! My dog was on death row in Ohio when a non profit group rescued her. She was well under weight and had a bad sinus infection. They spayed her (she was only around 8 months old) and I picked her from a post on Petfinder. I had to take her to the emergency vet the day after I brought her home because that infection made her wheeze. She is the smartest & cuddliest dog I’ve ever had and everyone who meets her loves her despite her enormity!