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Just wait till they all realise it’s the title of a book. Bonfire, anyone? From the level of literacy shown, however, I doubt that any of them would get past the title anyway, as that’s the only bit that limits itself to single syllable words.
Running out the door, so I don’t have time to go find the link, but look up the YouTube video of Bryan Fischer’s idiotic, offensive statement. Something like “Christopher Hitchens is in Hell because God loves him.”
his unbelief is all that matters now. Unspeakably sad.
Yawn. Mohler will burn in hell alongside Hitchens for his unbelief:
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three … if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.Original: لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَالْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اعْبُدُواْاللّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللّهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللّهُعَلَيهِالْجَنَّةَ وَمَأْوَاهُ النَّارُ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ أَنصَارٍ
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلاَثَةٍ وَمَا مِنْإِلَـهٍ إِلاَّ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُواْ عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّالَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِي
The Qur’an (القرآن), Sura 5:72–73 (The Dinner Table, سورة المائدة)
From my experience, no one compares with a Southern Baptist regarding the self-assuredness of his claims and opinions, with the possible exception of a teenager.
I would say Jobs died of belief in his own invincibility, rather than lack of belief in medicine. To put it bluntly he died of stupidity, an often fatal condition.
They’re coming out of the woodwork now as expected, gloating over the dead whom they could not defeat in argument while he was alive. In fact this is the type of brainless comment that if he said this to Hitch when Hitch could respond, he would probably get hitchslapped.
I don’t really care about any jackass who says somebody is going to “hell”, since that place doesn’t exist anyway. Just spare me the bullshit “I’m so sad about it” routine. Take your faux “sadness” and shove it up your ass.
The link takes you to “Up with Chris Hayes” this morning on MSNBC as four duh guests remembered and derided Hitch as a “militant atheist.” The action starts at 24:18. Listen to them as they conclude that Hitch was just another fundamentalist believer, just like the ones he so derided all his life.
Hayes played a small snippet of Hitch carefully and rationally explaining why the acceptance of religious dogma is severely injurious to ones brain. His simple explanation floated way over the top of the heads of the clutch of educated fools assembled there, further proof that to grasp rationality one must first have more than three neurons firing in their skulls at any one time.
Talk about simpletons, these twits really take the cake. They all sound so “schooled.” I doubt any of them have learned much of anything about our natural history and even less about the history of their own mind diseases.
Maybe that’s because it’s (but only slightly) out of context.
Mohler started with a comment that a lot of people read as if he said (which, granted, he technically didn’t) that Hitchens died as a consequence of unbelief.
The quote above appears to be his ‘explanation’ to people who misread that original quote.
Here’s the original quote (warning, the Lord (who re-tweeted it, and was earlier honored here with “the Best Tweet Ever”) replied in fairly strong language that may not be ‘safe’ for work: http://ituna.org/mohler.jpg
It’s worse than some of y’all might know: Mohler is a full-blown, five-point Calvinist. He believes, that is, that some are selected for Heaven and some are selected for Hell before the beginning of time, that the fix is in before we are born. Go back and re-read his tweet now, and you begin to understand that it’s so out of sync with his imbecilic theology that nothing but malice can explain it.
Mohler’s excrescences raise the single point about which I am in severe disagreement with Dr. Coyne: Mohler is too a moron.
If anyone feels a need for more outrage, read the tribute to Hitchens from Ross Douthat, a smug American Catholic, who uses the occasion of Hitchens’s death to remind us that living a full life as an atheist is impossible, and so Hitchens couldn’t really have been an atheist. He closes with
My hope — for Hitchens, and for all of us, the living and the dead — is that now he finally knows why.
presumably oblivious to the fact that the tradition to which he adheres requires him to understand this to mean that Hitchens has now entered into his eternal torment.
If it’s ‘unspeakably sad’, then it either shouldn’t or can’t be said. These people both think nonsense and find it impossible to accurately articulate what they think.
From The Daily Mash‘s report on the demise of Hitchens:
Hitchens’ religious opponents used his absence to continue their argument with him by ensuring that every single one of their statements made his point for him.
Damn, he had so much more to say that we needed to hear. What a life! What a human! What an intellect! How I wish I could have added a small fraction of what he added to humanity.
About what I’d expect from the likes of Mohler. Hitch himself obviously didn’t think just because someone died that makes them entitled to pulled punches and undiluted praise, and I’d wager Christopher would be amused by such a perfectly stupid “tweet.”
I can understand if the fundamentalists & co. are delighting in Hitchens’ death (I don’t think that’s exactly what Mohler’s doing in his tweet though). Look at the explosion of atheist vs. theist debates wrought by new atheism in the past eight years. From the theist perspective, it’s as if one of the other side’s most effective generals has retired from the battlefield.
How predictably medieval – reminds me of Coulter’s comment about Richard Dawkins in hell. Paraphrasing Hitch, terrestrial North Korea are quite sufficiently dreadful enough without imagined celestial versions of dreads of something after death pushed by people whose raison d’etre seems driven fundamentally by fear and resentment against freedom of thought. I think Hitch would have had quite a laugh and with the additional irony that the dear leader would follow him the very next day.
With apologies to Tim Rice
Oh what a circus, oh what a show!
The US has gone to town over the death of a writer known to us as Hitch.
We’ve all gone crazy: mourning all day and mourning all night, falling over ourselves to get all of the misery right!
Oh what an exit, that’s how to go!
When they’re ringing your curtain down, demand to bow out just like Christopher – it’s quite a sunset, and good for the country in a roundabout way: we’ve made the front page of all the world’s papers today!
But who is this Santa Christopher? Why all this howling, hysterical sorrow? What kind of man-god has lived among us? How will we ever get by without him?
Asshat supreme.
That’s sophisticated theology. This is the stupid version.
Wow! And people wonder why we detest religion.
“#GodIsNotGreat ? I will shoot you in the face.”
First: really articulate argument. Your parents and teachers must be very proud.
Second: I wonder if any of these people appreciate their own irony? Well, no, I don’t really wonder that…
Wow…just…wow.
“GOD IS EVERYTHING YOU SANTIC BITCHES” ftw.
Santa worshippers! Won’t somebody think of the children?!
My mind is blown. Is this some of the Christian love we keep hearing about?
Also, apparently, only unbelievers die! News to the millions of believing families who have buried loved ones over the centuries.
LOL on the tweet link, just oozing with layers of irony. Those folks are making Hitchens’ point over and over again.
I don’t see the problem with these tweets. Criticize my religion and you die. Same message that christians have been putting forth for 2000 years.
Just wait till they all realise it’s the title of a book. Bonfire, anyone? From the level of literacy shown, however, I doubt that any of them would get past the title anyway, as that’s the only bit that limits itself to single syllable words.
Gosh. I feel be-fouled after reading the comments on that link, Haggis, like a
wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in my breastie!
O wonder!
How many badly creatures are there here!
How tortuous mankind is! O grave old world
That has such people in’t!
Running out the door, so I don’t have time to go find the link, but look up the YouTube video of Bryan Fischer’s idiotic, offensive statement. Something like “Christopher Hitchens is in Hell because God loves him.”
…but that his unbelief is all that matters now. Not much of a reader, are you, sir?
I agree. Many miss the person who cheered tham up with quick and witty statements.
Ah, pompous twits looking like the clowns they are for believing in their fairy.
his unbelief is all that matters now. Unspeakably sad.
Yawn. Mohler will burn in hell alongside Hitchens for his unbelief:
1. Christopher Hitchens did not die of unbelief. He died of complications from cancer.
2. No, his unbelief is not all that matters now; either regarding his legacy, or the future of the atheist movement. Damn ambiguous statement.
3. If you’re so sad for him/us/the world, why are you such a prick? I fail to see how that helps anything.
From my experience, no one compares with a Southern Baptist regarding the self-assuredness of his claims and opinions, with the possible exception of a teenager.
Can’t help but notice the tweeter’s name: mohler. Well, it certainly isn’t Wisdom Tooth, now is it?
Thanks for that. I shall henceforth think of him as Albert “not a wisdom tooth” Mohler. (If I must think of him.)
In the words of Hitch, “White Noise.”
How did Hitchens die from unbelief?
At a stretch Jobs could be said to have died from unbelief in modern medicine, but medicine is hardly something to believe in.
Such a pity that we can never get to point the finger and say “I told you so”, when Mohler shuffles off his mortal coil.
Probably Mohler means that if Hitchens had believed in teh good lard, teh good lard would’ve spared him.
But shouldn’t you spare the good lard anyway, since too much of it can give you heart disease?
Apparently teh good lard celebrated Hitch’s death and slept in late today; he was unavailable to help Tim Tebow and the Broncos.
He wasn’t celebrating, he was barricading the door and hiding in the closet.
I would say Jobs died of belief in his own invincibility, rather than lack of belief in medicine. To put it bluntly he died of stupidity, an often fatal condition.
They’re coming out of the woodwork now as expected, gloating over the dead whom they could not defeat in argument while he was alive. In fact this is the type of brainless comment that if he said this to Hitch when Hitch could respond, he would probably get hitchslapped.
Didn’t Hitch predict just this?
probably = being generous
That Hitchens died is sad. That Mohler doesn’t get reality is sad (gods, “died of unbelief” (?)).
That the Mohler’s of the world are so afraid that they had to wait to dance on Hitchens grave is not sad. It is Hitchlarious.
I don’t really care about any jackass who says somebody is going to “hell”, since that place doesn’t exist anyway. Just spare me the bullshit “I’m so sad about it” routine. Take your faux “sadness” and shove it up your ass.
Ditto. “Go to hell” just deserves laughter. It’s the dishonesty and smug superiority of “I’m so sad” that boils my blood.
You want to see this jackassery multiplied by a factor of 4? Go here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45715262#45715262
The link takes you to “Up with Chris Hayes” this morning on MSNBC as four duh guests remembered and derided Hitch as a “militant atheist.” The action starts at 24:18. Listen to them as they conclude that Hitch was just another fundamentalist believer, just like the ones he so derided all his life.
Hayes played a small snippet of Hitch carefully and rationally explaining why the acceptance of religious dogma is severely injurious to ones brain. His simple explanation floated way over the top of the heads of the clutch of educated fools assembled there, further proof that to grasp rationality one must first have more than three neurons firing in their skulls at any one time.
Talk about simpletons, these twits really take the cake. They all sound so “schooled.” I doubt any of them have learned much of anything about our natural history and even less about the history of their own mind diseases.
I don’t even *get* that comment, “his unbelief is all that matters now”. Maybe just as well…
Maybe that’s because it’s (but only slightly) out of context.
Mohler started with a comment that a lot of people read as if he said (which, granted, he technically didn’t) that Hitchens died as a consequence of unbelief.
The quote above appears to be his ‘explanation’ to people who misread that original quote.
Here’s the original quote (warning, the Lord (who re-tweeted it, and was earlier honored here with “the Best Tweet Ever”) replied in fairly strong language that may not be ‘safe’ for work: http://ituna.org/mohler.jpg
And Mohler’s original tweet is STILL Jackassery!
Bravo!
And long live the decline of religion in Sweden:
http://thenorthernplights.com/2011/10/21/dispatch-22-religion/
~The Dippylomat esq.
The point about Christopher Hitchens is not that he died but that his life as he lived it is all that matters now. Fortunately.
The point about Albert Mohler is not that he will die but that his life as he lived it is all that will matter then. Sadly. Unspeakably sadly.
The point about @albertmohler is not that he is a believer, but that his belief has killed his humanity
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(for some reason, certain symbols don’t come thru when I post from my phone)
Do we know that? Maybe he would have been an asshat even without his belief.
Standard pavlovian response from a southern baptist. Unsurprisingly depraved.
@albertmohler’s earlier tweet was even more repugnant:
Excuse me, I have to go wash out my brain with reason.
It’s worse than some of y’all might know: Mohler is a full-blown, five-point Calvinist. He believes, that is, that some are selected for Heaven and some are selected for Hell before the beginning of time, that the fix is in before we are born. Go back and re-read his tweet now, and you begin to understand that it’s so out of sync with his imbecilic theology that nothing but malice can explain it.
Mohler’s excrescences raise the single point about which I am in severe disagreement with Dr. Coyne: Mohler is too a moron.
Why is Mohler sad? Does he not believe that Hitch is being tortured, and that that torture is a good thing?
Of course, deep down he understands that any god that would create a hell and send any creature there for unbelief is by definition wicked.
I sincerely doubt that.
He doesn’t have the required depth for that.
If anyone feels a need for more outrage, read the tribute to Hitchens from Ross Douthat, a smug American Catholic, who uses the occasion of Hitchens’s death to remind us that living a full life as an atheist is impossible, and so Hitchens couldn’t really have been an atheist. He closes with
presumably oblivious to the fact that the tradition to which he adheres requires him to understand this to mean that Hitchens has now entered into his eternal torment.
What’s sad is that he died so early. His fight against childish beliefs in public life is heroic.
To be clear: This is a sophisticated theologian way to say, “Heathen is burning in Hell. LOL!”, yes?
If it’s ‘unspeakably sad’, then it either shouldn’t or can’t be said. These people both think nonsense and find it impossible to accurately articulate what they think.
From what I’ve read, Heaven is eternal torment and available only to those who deserve it.
From The Daily Mash‘s report on the demise of Hitchens:
Hey, nice (satirical) article. I think Hitch would have got a laugh out of it.
Did everyone see the almighty’s response to one of mohler’s earlier tweets? Warning: saucy language.
http://i.imgur.com/xBkyQ.png
I think I believe in the Almighty again.
Relax people.
It’s just a xian ghoul, feeding on Hitchen’s death and dead body.
It was inevitable.
But there is always a silver lining. Someday the vaguely humanoid toad that inhabits Moelher’s body will…DIE TOO.
Damn, he had so much more to say that we needed to hear. What a life! What a human! What an intellect! How I wish I could have added a small fraction of what he added to humanity.
Columbia University Statistician claims Hitchens for the Bayesians.
About what I’d expect from the likes of Mohler. Hitch himself obviously didn’t think just because someone died that makes them entitled to pulled punches and undiluted praise, and I’d wager Christopher would be amused by such a perfectly stupid “tweet.”
I can understand if the fundamentalists & co. are delighting in Hitchens’ death (I don’t think that’s exactly what Mohler’s doing in his tweet though). Look at the explosion of atheist vs. theist debates wrought by new atheism in the past eight years. From the theist perspective, it’s as if one of the other side’s most effective generals has retired from the battlefield.
Christians worship hate.
Theists obey fear.
How predictably medieval – reminds me of Coulter’s comment about Richard Dawkins in hell. Paraphrasing Hitch, terrestrial North Korea are quite sufficiently dreadful enough without imagined celestial versions of dreads of something after death pushed by people whose raison d’etre seems driven fundamentally by fear and resentment against freedom of thought. I think Hitch would have had quite a laugh and with the additional irony that the dear leader would follow him the very next day.
With apologies to Tim Rice
Oh what a circus, oh what a show!
The US has gone to town over the death of a writer known to us as Hitch.
We’ve all gone crazy: mourning all day and mourning all night, falling over ourselves to get all of the misery right!
Oh what an exit, that’s how to go!
When they’re ringing your curtain down, demand to bow out just like Christopher – it’s quite a sunset, and good for the country in a roundabout way: we’ve made the front page of all the world’s papers today!
But who is this Santa Christopher? Why all this howling, hysterical sorrow? What kind of man-god has lived among us? How will we ever get by without him?
Come on, everyone. The Bible *says* you’re supposed to blame the dead before they’re even cold in their graves. Good Baptist. Well done.
The point about Albert Mohler is that he won’t die of arrogance but that his arrogance is all that matters now. Unspeakably sad.