This is how parents are told to teach their kids “sophisticated” theology using the new theory of the “Wow Factor.”
This video is from the Kidspace YouTube channel; note that the video is aimed not at children, but at their parents, telling them how to indoctrinate their offspring by confusing the nature of evidence.
“Faith can be a fluffy subject, because we are trying to put our trust in things that we haven’t seen. Yet God knew very well that with the creation he’s made for us, we can trust him because of what we’ve seen, we KNOW there’s a creator; we KNOW that he exists, and we can get excited about that!”
This reminds me of the old Jewish joke: Q: How does a Jew say “Screw you”? A: “Trust me!”
h/t: Scott
I’m sorry. I couldn’t take more than about a minute of that.
It’s bad enough when adults treat children as idiots. But when an adult treats other adults as idiots just because the subject is presumed-idiotic children, my blood starts to boil.
And when the real idiot in the room is the one doing the lecturing, by preaching that her childish imaginary friend is real?
My blood boileth over.
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I must admit to not even have pushed the “play” button. The preview pic alone is more than enough.
been there, seen that…
Ok, finally pushed the “play” button. thanks FSM for gun control, else I would have to buy a new laptop.
You know what bugs me even more than that? When an adult treats other adults as idiots and those adults gladly lap it up. It’s pathetic.
I think the big problem is, people like this woman really do think their trite little nonsense is revelatory and inspiring, either because they haven’t ever been exposed to anything better, or because anything better they *were* exposed to was too complex for them to absorb.
It just makes me kind of sad, because in order to educate these kind of people (if they’re even educable) it seems that one must first erode their excitement over this cheesy BS in order to force them to look beyond it to the things which they should *really* be excited about. It’s like surgery both in the sense that you have to hurt people to help them, and also in the sense that people don’t usually appreciate when you try to do it without invitation. And unlike surgery, people are usually completely oblivious to the fact that they need it…
You can forget about educating this woman. She is lost. I think if you tried talking with her she’d just start humming Jesus music and blowing bubbles.
Who says we have a nobligation to educate those who rely on faith instead of their critical thinking?
there way to many people on the planet and most of them just a dron/burden that will never have a chance at any sort of education
it is only a matter of time before those who understand planetary dynamics will have no other options as to peck others to remove their “right to procreation”
and at that time we all will agree that “right to procreation” is just an imaginary concept that was ok to mankind to have before agriculture but since then it is the idea that runs agains the genetic imperative top survive that governs any and all life-forms
the sooner responsible scientists act to bring real science into government the less people we will have to die off when the planet finally collapses under unsustainable overpopulation and unsustainable pecking order consumption
This scares me.
no need to be scared – collapse is not hapenning any time soon – “conventional scientists” will keep on squeezing the juice from the planet for a while – probably long enough for you and me to be dead by the time of the collapse
all we need is to understand inevitable and act in accordance with that understanding
and that would guide us first to seek out others who also understand these inevitabilities
and only then it would be possible to start proper discourse
and after proper discourse is started it may slowly reach ruling elihtes and we may have a chance at meliorating the collapse
in any case acting sooner than later and first and foremost getting rid of ‘talking and acting as believer’ is what each of us can do
What is proper discourse? What makes you believe proper discourse isn’t already happening now and isn’t already slowly reaching the ruling elites? What makes you think that “getting rid of talking and acting as a believer” isn’t accomplished by trying to educate the people who are currently talking and acting as believers? Do you have any clear plan of action here or just a bunch of vague generalities strung together?
as i noted below i am happy to continue the conversation on your personal blog
and yes you are right
the proper conversation has already started because the proper science has been in existance since the 1960 ties
and yes i have a very clear plan and am implementing it
only i am “nobody” and my impact is limited – only those who are in any sort of power position can actually influence anything with their actions but their agendas are different from yours and mine
and yes I have a very clear plan and am implementing it … only I am “nobody” and my impact is limited – only those who are in any sort of power position can actually influence anything with their actions but their agendas are different from yours and mine
Reminds me of a quote of Margaret Mead’s:
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.
As for “clear plans of action”, there are, of course, a great many options and opportunities: “Give me a place to stand and I will move the Earth” and all that.
But I would suggest, as one more possibility, taking a look at the Wikipedia article on the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child which most countries in the world have signed and ratified – apart from the “embarrassing” exceptions of the US and Somalia. Supposedly or potentially one of those rights – the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion for children – would curtail the efforts of religious fundamentalists to indoctrinate their children and those of others. It seems that this organization – an umbrella group encompassing quite a range of believers, disbelievers and skeptics – is endeavouring to change that state of affairs and they, and general social health, are likely to benefit from more supporters of their efforts. Particularly as there seems to be an effort in the Senate to forestall that objective.
I sez I don’t want to live on a planet full of ignorant people, precisely because those ignorant people have a tendency to fuck things up for the rest of us. I’m thinking that maybe it would be nice if we could *avoid* the whole thing with the planet collapsing under unsustainable overpopulation and unsustainable pecking order consumption, and maybe instead do the thing where we construct responsible economic and regulatory systems. After all, no matter how John Galt awesome you are, living through planetary collapse is still not going to be fun. So I’m thinking maybe if we educate our fellows it might be a little easier to avoid (or at least soften) the collapse, thus making my future and my descendants’ future suck just the tiniest bit less.
Just sayin’.
Totally agree with you that living through collapse is not fun
But the collapse cannot be avoided
It can only be ‘meliorated’ and ‘managed’
For this we must educate ruling elites not the general faithful
Or those who understand should _move into_ ruling elites
Of course educating elites is just wishful thimking – they are so happy in their comfortable life, insulated from the reality by their belief of being “special”
And I do not blame them – we all believe that we are “special”
This belief into “specialness” is what fuels the desire to “convert” others into “my” worldview
But a more _practical_ corse of action would be to understand the inevitabilities and seek out those who also understand them and the begin _proper institutionalization of science_
Of course, those so-called ignorant masses still vote. And as long as there are people who can benefit in the short term by screwing up the long term, those people can gain power by convincing the ignorant to go along with them. The “elites” are not a static category; we can’t expect that just because we’ve educated one segment of the “elites” to do the right thing that other power-seekers won’t arise who will steer things in the wrong direction anyway. Conversely, an educated populace can provide well-intentioned elites with the base of support they need to do what needs to be done. This is why it’s important to educate everyone, not just some subset of the people.
Besides which, on what grounds do you justify the notion that educating everyone is necessarily mutually exclusive with educating the elite? Why in the world shouldn’t we just be doing both?
Also, what in the world is the “proper” institutionalization of science supposed to be? That’s a very nice buzzword, but without more details it’s meaningless.
great questions Anne!
and very good thinking!
I am happy you are asking these kinds of questions 🙂
unfortunately we are soon to run out of “answer-reply” depth of this blog
i also think we have ventured into the topic that is quite far from the original post and of much larger scope than original post
if you are still interested in my answers to you questions i will post them in the comments section of your personal blog
you may copy this thread onto your blog and i will be happy to stick around until we either agree or decide that “the other has no clue and is not worth of my time”
On the contrary, it looks like there are plenty of people here who are interested in this discussion, and we can easily stack our posts under one heading rather than writing them as responses to each other. Unless Jerry tells us to bugger off I don’t see any reason not to keep talking here. My personal blog has basically zero traffic, so I don’t see any reason to pull this over there where nobody else will be likely to be able to contribute to the conversation.
When babies are outlawed, only outlaws will have babies…
I see that you’re with the NRA [National Reproductive Association] … 😉
It’s like surgery both in the sense that you have to hurt people to help them, and also in the sense that people don’t usually appreciate when you try to do it without invitation. And unlike surgery, people are usually completely oblivious to the fact that they need it…
Just a case of getting their attention, I think. Reminds me of an old joke which I found on a religious site so they are not totally devoid of, at least, a sense of humour:
There is a really old joke about a farmer and his mule. This mule was the most stubborn thing on four feet. When the mule decided it would not move, it would not move. At those times, the farmer tried everything. He would yell at it. He would pull on the reins. He even tried pushing it, but only once. The farmer realized that he would have to wait helplessly until the mule decided to move.
One day, the farmer got a late start to go into town for supplies. He arrived, got his supplies, and quickly loaded the wagon so he could make it back home before dark. What do you think happened? You’re right. The mule decided it did not want to leave town yet. Jumping down from the wagon seat, the farmer launched into his usual tirade, even though he knew it probably would not make a difference.
Another man was walking by at this time and observed the farmer’s emotional eruption. Looking at the farmer, the man said, “You are doing this all wrong. Mules should be treated with gentleness and kindness. You should not yell at a mule or yank on its reins. Be gentle with the animal, and the mule will respond obediently.” At this, the farmer said, “Well, mister, if you think you can do better, be my guest.”
The other man walked up to the mule and began to talk to it in a quiet voice. Then, he reached down, picked up a big stick, and whacked the mule right between the eyes. At this, the mule staggered a bit, but then began to walk forward.
The farmer was grateful that the mule was finally moving, but he was shocked by the man’s actions. The farmer shouted at him, “I thought you said the mule should be treated with gentleness and kindness.” The man replied, “It should, but first you have to get its attention.”
Although, of course, one must be careful of or circumspect in taking either the mule or surgery analogy too far: physical force is something that, historically anyway, tends to backfire rather badly and should be the last resort – much better are measured responses – force of argument and force of law, for examples – I say, as abandoning the field is neither appropriate or wise.
Of course, let me also declare that it was pretty much this type of presentation that led me to the firm conviction that there was no god at about age 8.
Kids have terrific bullshit detectors. Jesus Camp mass hysteria aside, I think it’s quite possible that more kids will be turned off by this approach than will be turned into mindless god-bots.
right, and kids probably hear her say things the way I, as a non-native not used to her accent, heard her say things like:
“… we need to have that why-factor when it comes to ignoring god… those are creations of gods (polytheism here?)… cause we’re trying to put our trousers in things that we cannot see… because of what we’ve seen, we annoy the creator… as parrots, we need to stop impose in the why-moments…”
etc.
Funnily self-defeating.
Almost makes more sense than the original…
If god really provided a WoW factor, I just might worship in hopes of being reborn as an undead warlock in the afterlife.
Do you think all those aborted souls are doomed to spend eternity as level 1 noobs?
Or even worse: Elves?!?
The good news is that their channel has almost no views. Barely over a thousand channel views and I’m betting about half of those come from those who completely disagree with them.
And (‘watch on YouTube’) only 2 comments (so far), neither one positive. Maybe we should ALL leave some comments there, so that the lady thinks twice before making another silly video like that (a fellow can dream, right?).
Already done. Great suggestion.
Until they start censoring or disabling comments, at least.
Done too.
harry potter fans (which I’m not, I swear, promise), doesn’t that c*nt remind you of that other c*nt all in pink in that movie with phoenix stuff and all?
Disagree with her without the sexist epithet, dammit.
Agreed. Her gender has nothing to do with her mindlessness, so make the point against her without the rude language.
Sorry guys, english is not my first language. Didn’t think it would be so offensive. Would fuckwitt do?
Absolutely yes. Without the sexist nonsense.
I didn’t even knwo it had a sexist connotation. Some of my friends call me that. once again, my apologies, I’ll be more careful. Fuckwitt it is, then…
Replying to Phil – ah – the language issue explains all. No worries.
See my follow-up comment at comment #24
Surely you should contact the authorities? If this person has actually seen Jesus, why haven’t we heard? This fan must be keeping him locked up somewhere! That or the poster is schizophrenic, and knowing the intended audience and the bystander effect, the poster is likely still walking around without receiving any psychiatric help. This is a time for Concerned Citizens to step up.
Truly scary that these deluded people actually think their worldview is right!
I couldn’t take more than 1 minute.
I will comment on You tube – if it’s allowed and these people usually block comments!
we are trying to put our trust in things that we haven’t seen. Yet God knew very well that with the creation he’s made for us, we can trust him because of what we’ve seen
er, wut?
anyone read the youtube comments on that vid?
most popular:
“I, too, get that “wow” moment from religion: “WOW! What a load of CRAP!””
Seconded, Ben Goren. But I knew it was sick when the music started. And I’m sick at the way music is used to plug the sick messages of these dysfunctional people. Or, I should write (in this case) “music”, as the harmonious “noises off” were mere emotional tosh, designed to manipulate the careless listener who wanted only to hear the familiar message.
For people who believe in “truly spiritual” values, they show an extraordinary lack of moral awareness: they regard music as nothing more than an instrument of emotional persuasion (i.e., part of the technique of brain-washing). Their cynicism is laid bare with the first chord. Really, these are disgusting people: arrogant, superficial, insensitive, and morally stupid.
I would not have been surprised to see butterflies instead of bubbles. That music calls for butterflies.
I’ll be honest, I watched the video but was too distracted by the bubbles to listen to a single thing she had to say. I tried re-watching it, but the bubbles caught me again.
Maybe Creationists would fare better if they blew bubbles during debates…
And it is all your fault too Coyne, this woman trained to be like this in Illinois at willow creek … and you sent her back here to Australia to teach children to be creationists … we’ll get you for this.
This is how parents are told to teach their kids “sophisticated” theology using the new theory of the “Wow Factor.”
I don’t have any objection to parents pointing out the “Wow factor” of reality – after all probably a useful starting point for becoming a scientist – but I object to the conclusion the video apparently makes. Bad logic for one thing it seems to me.
But I don’t see that as the worst or most odious form of religious indoctrination – aka abuse – of children – although it certainly seems part of an insidious program. I think the worst that I’ve seen is the phenomenon of Hell Houses which Dawkins’ introduced me – and of course millions of others – to in his “The God Delusion” – a bit of a shocking first direct indication of how far the religious will go in defense of their delusion. Much like the Inquisition.
And lots of YouTube videos on the topic, including this one from Dawkins himself.
As you may know, the US signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child in 1995, although it has yet to ratify it because of “political and religious conservatives” – one of only two countries, along with Somalia, in the world who have yet to do so – and something which President Obama described as “embarrassing” (Wikipedia). And that is, apparently, due in part to the fact that that Convention would stipulate that children also have a right to a freedom of thought, conscience and religion which would presumably limit the types of flagrant abuses inherent in Hell-houses and other manifestations of religious indoctrination.
Gag. What a great way to waste the opportunity to really teach (or at least show) a kid something interesting about physics. Puke up inananity about faith instead of posing questions about why soap bubbles and soap films exhibit cool shapes.
Production-wise, the video is very annoying (in my opinion). WOW
I used to like Australian accents and patterns like that. She’s singlehandedly made it more difficult.
Since when is cutting off questioning and investigation going deeper?
That is a Kiwi accent …
Ah. That’s a relief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTwAoFR4DuM
*runs*
Wow, I think she needs to dig down a little deeper and realize that life didn’t just poof into existence. How about putting those bubbles away and read something that just might really enlighten you. I know I’m preaching to the choir. But jeez!!!
Well, I thought the “Faith can be a fluffy subject” part was right.
I’m thinkin’ we can adopt this sense of “fluffy” and put it to good use…
I thought of a couple hundred adjectives I would prefer over “fluffy” before my brain shut down.
Yet God knew very well that with the creation he’s made for us, we can trust him because of what we’ve seen, we KNOW there’s a creator; we KNOW that he exists,
Teleology is actually the best–albeit insufficient–evidence she has, in spite of the fact that she’s lying about “knowing” something. And in spite of the fact that she doesn’t know it’s the best evidence she has. (Because she probably thinks the best evidence she has is miracles and signs, and the invisible people she talks to, because she is freaking deluded. Albeit being deluded by religion is actually a fairly normal thing apparently.)
I hope they dig deep enough to realise how fundamentally paradoxical a creator is with what we now know about the universe.. The wow factor is great for a scientist and hopelessly shallow for the faithful – not unlike a stoner amazed by his hand…
Vile, mindless drivel – that’s just the ‘music’
Comments on YouTube for it have gone
No surprise there. They’re cowards, every one of them.
The horror!
Finally vomited at 2:14.
Oh fuck. On behalf of New Zealanders everywhere, sorry for her. And Ray Comfort.
No apology for the accent?
I mean, really… “bubboohs”? What are “bubboohs”? And what’s a “mahvooh”, while I’m at it? 🙂
Actually Patrick, I won’t apologise for the accent – not if it has made her less readily understood…
As StateReligionVIC hinted at above, this ghastly woman is connected to the targeting of Australian public schools for indoctrination schemes:
http://religionsinschool.com/2011/05/25/ever-wonder-what-kind-of-training-cre-teachers-get
Couldn’t watch it all either.
My response to her is: “My daughter gets all the WOW she needs from nature and reality. She loves fiction too, but knows it isn’t real.”
During the bubble scene, I was thinking she was going to say that we can’t even understand how they occur. Either she’s not that dumb or simply didn’t think of it.
can we find a scientist explaining bubbles and run it side by side?
http://youtu.be/eV6Wh-KX3bY?t=2m40s
Man, no wonder they don’t want kids seeing this … if you wet your hand you can stick it right in.
That was very cool.
My story (which I’ve told before): I saw Tom Noddy on Johnny Carson as a kid and so wanted to do my project for the state science fair on bubbles. The gifted-program teacher pushed me instead to do one on learning in elementary schools. I don’t blame her, and my bubble project may well have blown (hee), but I’d rather have failed with it than done well with one that didn’t come from me.
🙁
I have bubble issues. 🙂
Man, no wonder they don’t want kids seeing this … if you wet your hand you can stick it right in.
Um, *delayed response*
The negative comments on that youtube page were piling up.
They have ALL been removed and the posters have been blocked from posting again (see my effort: http://ituna.org/sad.jpg ).
All new commenters here: I’d like to encourage you to keep posting your thoughts there though: maybe, just maybe .. they start to realize their video wasn’t such a smart thing after all.
And if I may suggest a subject for a comment there (I’m blocked) .. tell her that if she can’t handle the critique .. it’s a far better idea to take that video down, than to keep deleting the tons of comments pointing out that she’s a dumb, mindless idiot!
All you atheists have no credibility. I mean, have you ever really looked at a bubble? Ergo Jesus.
Man, I’ve got the munchies.
Yes, I HAVE looked at a bibl .. err, bubble. Stuck my finger in it too.
Poof!
“Faith can be a fluffy subject, because we are trying to put our trust in things that we haven’t seen.”
But didn’t what’s-his-name say that faith *wasn’t* just believing in something without evidence? Sure the quote may read “seen”, no no one’s heard, smelled, or otherwise detected any gods in any way.
At the time of this post, (4.24pm EST Aust) there are negative comments from over the last five hours. I guess she’s out and not able to take them down yet.
“Yet God knew very well that with the creation he’s made for us, we can trust him…”
Well, in the words of Monty Python (sung to the tune of “All things bright and beautiful”):
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid–
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Amen.
Indeed. Anopheles gambiae and plasmodium falciparum. Double wow!
Holy crap this woman works at a church not 15 minutes drive from my house!! Crossway Baptist Church, I feel a bit less safe than I did before I knew this. The stupid is spreading.
Take care Marella !
Ask her where she bought her dress, so that you can avoid the place.
Higher up this post, I’ve ignorantly used the word “c*nt” to refer to that fuckwitt. Some posters have been kind enough to point out my error and the sexist connotation calling that fuckwitt a “c*nt” entailled.
English is not my first language, so I would like to present my more sincere apologies to the posters I may have offended, and to that fuckwitt.
My bad.
Thanks for being so gracious about it. A lot depends on what other sites one hangs out on; it can be a bit of a culture shock to move from one arena to another. Many of us women are grateful for the sites that recognise this issue and support us (go PZ & JAC!).
I’m quite a feminist, and would never voluntarily insult anyone on the basis of their sex. I hang out at Pharyngula, AtBC and of course WEIT, and I think all my postings there are usualy free of any sexist remarks.
I should have known better than to use that word. Now I know its sexist meaning, and will refrain from using it, ever again.
It’s also a language and culture thing. In the US, it’s considered highly vulgar and many feminists consider any gender-based insult to be sexist. If this were an Australian web site attitudes might be different.
The stupid, IT HURTS!
IF bubbles THEN god. wow indeed
Yea, gives some additional impact to and seriously detracts from the concept “leap of faith”, doesn’t it? – sort of like those crazies, the members of the Heaven’s Gate cult, who all committed suicide to rendezvous with space ships trailing the comet Hale-Bopp.
Suggests also the need for some remedial courses on logic and evidence, either for her, her intended targets or both.
So is God fluffy or fizzy?
Would you believe … quantum foam? …
Fruitcake women like this should be kept away from children!
“Take time this week to look around you and see what God has created. You can look right in front of your eyes – your own children. They are a gift to you from God. Why not, as a family as you journey from point A to point B, acknowledge something that God has made, and create the wow factor?”
Because for many infertile or previously infertile couples, God clearly has nothing to do with creating children. Here modern medical science offers the only hope, and religious prejudice merely stands in the way.
My two wonderful boys are a gift, not from God, but from reason!
Always interesting to read the comments here about this kind of idiocy. However, am I alone in finding this simultaneously disturbing and extremely funny? I watched in a state of awe as she carried on speaking for the entire 2.5 hours (or however long it was) without actually imparting any information.
The video IS child abuse, leading them to believe in belief. If God’s creation is what we have seen lately I don’t think the Midwest can take much more of HIS works. This has been a volital Earth for billions of years; what a creation!IN GOD WE TRUST? This last phrase has now found it way to Florida license plates. Someone with one should drive up to Kansas City tomorrow and see if they can trust God to prevent a tornado from getting them.
I updated the joke:
How does a capitalist say f* you?
Trust me.
Near the end of the video the speaker actually starts to suggest that the parents help the kids “dig deeper” into understanding the physical science behind bubbles — but then hastily adds that this understanding will of course bring them closer to God. So, in addition to her other flaws …. she’s an Accomodationist.
“Faith can be a fluffy subject.” Not sure I agree with that. The statement seems to imply that there are times when it isn’t “fluffy.” When? It always seems to be either fluffy-puerile, or fluffy-vague.
I think this video is encouraging parents to have their children add two things together to get God: the asserted “evidence” of the natural world plus the “Wow” factor. Feelings. This way, the response is infused into the thing responded to in a way that makes the natural world seem as if it has a fundamental emotional component to it. Thus, bubbles can’t be just matter in motion: that leaves out the “wow” factor. The “wow” can’t be explained without God, because there is no “wow” in nature alone…
What’s psychologically damaging is the lack of real curiosity and appreciation that’s being promoted in the name of curiosity and appreciation. I find that annoying.
— but then hastily adds that this understanding will of course bring them closer to God. So, in addition to her other flaws …. she’s an Accommodationist.
While I will generally agree with the general tenor of your arguments and those of many here, I’m not sure that to be an accommodationist is necessarily some sort of character flaw; attacks on them seem frequently to have the general flavour of “Gnu Atheists good; Accommodationists bad” akin to Orwell’s “four legs good; two legs bad”. Seems to me that there is some justification for common-cause, at least on a case-by-case basis. For instance even Jerry noted, with some apparent agreement, in his article in The New Republic that:
Liberal religious people have been important allies in our struggle against creationism, and it is not pleasant to alienate them by declaring how we feel.
And Pigliucci along with several others notes in their “Countering the Wedge” document – available at the Panda’s Thumb site – that:
The societies [under whose auspices the document was created] should seek out religious leaders from across the spectrum and work with them to understand the motivations of religious attacks and to alleviate the religious public’s misconception that evolutionary biology is part of a conspiracy to undermine “family values” and to promote a hedonistic, morality-free society.
Definitely makes a case for some degree of accommodation, although I don’t agree with the entire document, for example this:
We should be clear that there is no logical incompatibility between evolution and a range of theistic worldviews, and that evolution theory neither undermines nor validates any moral/spiritual claims.
Seems to me that that statement might be more accurate if it had said instead “a range of deistic worldviews”, but it seems quite clear that “evolution theory” does in fact undermine some moral & spiritual claims, particularly those based on an Old Testament, Young-Earth, literalist interpretation. And which therefore needs to be marginalized, obviated and extirpated.
What’s psychologically damaging is the lack of real curiosity and appreciation that’s being promoted in the name of curiosity and appreciation. I find that annoying.
I expect that you, as do I, find that, or rather the whole perspective, quite a bit more than annoying. Seems to me, and as adequately justified in the above noted document, that creationism is a serious cause for alarm – justifies manning the barricades and calling out the troops and searching for allies in the battle against creationism and religious fundamentalism. And as not all of the religious are terribly enamored of that particular pathology I think it possible to join forces – to some extent – with the former against the latter.
While knowing anything about evolution only makes the “wow factor” orders of magnitude greater. Witness of any of the fantastic mimicry stories JAC has posted recently. The all-powerful creator hypothesis only evokes a ho-hum factor in me.
You are negative. I like the idea of digging bubbles.
Seems to me the lady in the video has never grown up and doesn’t want anyone else to either. What a douche.
Now that’s just vile.