Natasha Hausdorff explains the UN resolution approving Trump’s plan for Gaza

November 20, 2025 • 12:00 pm

Here’s Natasha Hausdorff (legal director of the UK Lawyers for Israel) explaining, in an 11-minute video, the U.N. Security Council’s resolution approving Trump’s plan for ending the war in and reconstructing Gaza.  She notes that this approval is not legally binding, but goes through the most important of the plan’s 20 provisions.

Some of the problems I’ve mentioned before, including the difficulty of bringing Arab neighbors aboard and constructing an international peacekeeping force, finding a decent transitional government to run Gaza, and the insoluble problem of disarming Hamas (a provision of the plan that Hamas of course rejects). She notes that the UN resolution clearly states that a “state of Palestine does not yet exist,” which embarrasses not only Palestinians, but also the many countries like France and the UK who have already recognized such a state. (5:05). (She notes that the UK decision has been applauded by Hamas, and thus is good for the terrorist group.)

She doesn’t mention the difficult issue of the West Bank. That’s not part of the U.N. resolution, but I’d like to hear her views on it, anyway.

The “anti-Zios” are back

November 19, 2025 • 10:45 am

A lot of the protests and kerfuffles on campus two years ago involved a student organization, Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP).  Their favorite metier seemed to be disrupting access through the Quad, using bullhorns to shout slogans (“river to the sea. . . ” etc.), and in general touting the actions of Hamas and demonizing Israel.  Now when these actions are done according to campus rules, they’re fine—it’s free speech, and that kind of expression is of the glories of our University.  But often SJP people are involved in violating campus regulations; in April of last year I documented four instances of the organization or its members violating campus regulations. Those included sit-ins that constituted trespassing and led to the arrest of both students and faculty. But, this being Chicago with a woke mayor, all charges were dropped.

What about the rest of the violations? There was almost no discipline: the University, as noted in the link above, simply gave SJP a slap on the wrist, for the last thing the University of Chicago wants to see is officials or police “laying hands on students”. Below is the “punishment” that the Standing Disciplinary Committee on Disruptive Conduct meted out to SJP after they shouted down a Jewish “teach-in” in 2023, violating campus rules.


This isn’t even a slap on the wrist, but a tap on the wrist. It’s even lighter punishment than the warning the cops give you if they catch you speeding a little.

In light of SJP’s repeated violations of university rules, I wrote a letter to the student newspaper in January of last year asking “Should Students for Justice in Palestine be a recognized student organization?” I provided no answer save to say that the University should mete out genuine punishment to people who repeatedly violate campus rules about public demonstrations.  The University did get serious once, when it used the UC police—the Chicago police refused to participate—in taking down the illegal encampment that defaced our quad and prevented free access to buildings.

Things have been quiet for the last year, and probably for two reasons: Hamas has been trounced in Gaza, and a lot of the participants in anti-Israel demonstrations appear to be outsiders rather than members of the University community.  Demonstrators may well be afraid to have a public presence because Trump sent ICE to Chicago, and if you entered the country illegally, now is not the time you want to fall into the hands of the authorities.

Regardless, I continue to promote free speech that adheres to our policies while at the same time deploring the hatred and antisemitism that seems to motivate groups and individuals like the SJP.  And so they’ve put up a legal “installation” on our quad again. It’s okay that they did so, but it’s a performative, misguided, and hate-filled “installation.”  It went up a few days ago for a week, and here are some photos:

Note that it was  erected by SJP.

What we have here is a work of art accusing one John Kirby of genocide. Well, I didn’t know who John Kirby was, but Wikipedia says he was a rear admiral in the U.S. Navy who later took up positions in the media and also in the government under Democratic Presidents:

In the Biden administration, he served as United States Department of Defense Press Secretary and Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs from 2021 to 2022 and as White House National Security Communications Advisor from 2022 to 2025. He worked as a military and diplomatic analyst for CNN from 2017 to 2021. In the second Obama administration, he served as United States Department of Defense Press Secretary from 2013 to 2015 and as Spokesperson for the United States Department of State and Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs from 2015 to 2017.

Kirby has also just been appointed as director of the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics, a nonpartisan venue for free discussion aimed at inspiring students to go into politics and public service.  It has invited people from all sides of the ideological spectrum to speak, though when someone who doesn’t hate Israel speaks, miscreants sometimes have demonstrations outside the building or have even invaded the building (they were heaved out).  Again, those demonstrations are legal if they don’t violate university rules, but they sometimes have (I have heard of no punsihments).

At any rate, Kirby’s position in the military, and some words he said, prominently displayed in the first photo below, convinced SJP that he is complicit in GENOCIDE.  In fact, Kirby has been careful about the use of the word than has SJP, applying it only to Hamas. This is from the Guardian when Kirby was working under Biden:

Challenged at a White House briefing to confront the term “Genocide Joe” by some protesters to described Biden, Kirby, who had previously ruled out “drawing red lines” for Israel’s actions in Gaza, embarked on an animated exposition.

“People can say what they want on the sidewalk and we respect that. That’s what the first amendment’s about,” he said. “But this word genocide’s getting thrown around in a pretty inappropriate way by lots of different folks. What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide. They want to wipe Israel off the map.

“And they’ve said that they’re not going to stop. What happened on the 7th of October is going to happen again and again and again. And what happened on the 7th of October? Murder; slaughter of innocent people in their homes or at a music festival. That’s genocidal intentions.

“Yes, there are too many civilian casualties in Gaza … And yes, we continue to urge the Israelis to be as careful and cautious as possible. But Israel is not trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map. Israel’s not trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Israel is trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. If we’re going to start using that word – fine. Let’s use it appropriately.”

There are three quotes from Kirby (one of them fell over last night), including one that apparently refers to the U.S. providing aid to Israel (second photo). The other two seem to show him claiming that Israel did not violate international human rights law (you can read them by clocking twice on the first photo to enlarge it).

Two points:

1.)  This is a performative “installation” that accomplishes nothing. There was never a “genocide,” and even if you think there was, there’s now a cease-fire.

2.)  Why do you never see students demonstrating against a real genocide: the one that’s a huge goal of Hamas, which wants to kill all the Jews and wipe out Israel? (Read the Hamas Covenant of 1988, especially the introduction and Article Seven.)

3.)  It shows, in my view, that hatred of Jews and Israel hasn’t disappeared here (who would ever think that, anyway?) but is bubbling under the surface, waiting to emerge should the conflict in Gaza begin again.

4.) These installations, while they should be legal, nevertheless forment the atmosphere of hatred that, in my view, keeps Jewish students (who never erect similar “installations” about Hamas) from speaking their minds or wearing paraphernalia like Stars of David and yarmulkes (I’ve heard this directly from Jewish students).  This kind of intimidation—which in America also chills discussions about abortion and gender issues,—still falls within University regulations, so there’s nothing to do about it, but according to statistics, it does chill speech.

Is there truth in Yeats?

November 9, 2025 • 11:36 am

I was plesed to find an analysis in The Free Press today of one of my favorite poems by Yeats, “An Irish Airman Foresees His Death,” and here’s one of Yeats’s masterpieces:

I know that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate,
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.
It’s an odd poem, as one wonders exactly why the guy is flying for his country if he doesn’t much care about it, nor about his enemies, and least of all about his own life. What we have from Klay below is an interpretation of this poem, which is as good as any, but I’m posting it not just so you can see the work’s beauty, but also that there is no objective “truth” to be found here. It’s purely an expression of the airman’s emotion, which we can, perhaps, share by putting ourselves into his shoes.  But in fact we don’t even know if Yeats himself felt this way about war. What he’s doing is allowing us to share one possible reaction in a combatant—to suss out the point of view of somebody else. (Believe me, I wouldn’t be fighting unless I had a good reason to do so).

 

Click the screenshot below to read Klay’s take on the poem:

A few words by Phil Klay about the poem. First he analyzes the structure and internal rhymes of the poem, and I have to say that at this form of composition Yeats excelled. He stuck to rhymes (and nearly all good poems do), but not conventional form. Klay:

It’s a perfect little poem, and incredibly easy to memorize, with a singsongy abab rhyme scheme and lines in iambic tetrameter which, as is often the case with Yeats, somehow end up feeling like natural speech despite the rigorous perfection of the form.

Yeats also regularly makes parallelisms, such that one line will answer or complete another. At the time, I thought it was a great poem for a young man heading off to war. One of the other lieutenants, Irish by birth and heading to be a pilot, thought so too, and he borrowed my copy so he could memorize it as well. Here is the text:

And this description is a form of “truth”: it’s simply how the poem is set out: the situation, the choice of words, and the rhymes. That can all be described objectively, just like the structure of a sonata can be divided into three parts and is in a certain key. In that sense, and in that sense alone, one can find “truth” in this work.  But that’s not the kind of truth that English professors say that they’re teaching their students. After all, isn’t the purpose of a university to find and promulgate “truth and knowledge”?

And one can guess, though this is not so easy, what the pilot is really trying to say. Here’s Klay’s take:

Accustomed as we are to the anti-war poets of World War I, it can be jarring to read such a dark but stunningly beautiful poem. The narrator isn’t bloodthirsty or sociopathic, but there is something in warfare he can’t shake: something valuable, something teased at with the maddeningly vague line about the “lonely impulse of delight” driving men to war—an impulse distinct from patriotism.

What is this lonely impulse, if not “law” or “duty”?

The fact is, some people like the work of war. Every year, tens of thousands of young people join the Army or Marine Corps. They want the camaraderie of war, the adventure, the intellectual challenge but also the sheer beauty of it—of night fires and powerful weaponry and superbly trained groups of men and women operating with skill and precision. Beyond that, though, is the encounter with the utter limits of human experience, something the World War I veteran Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, in a 1917 essay on his strange longing to return to the front, described as a “unique atmosphere, penetrating and dense, in which this entire richness of violence and majesty bathes.”

And then there’s the poem’s equanimity about death. As a young man in military training, that attitude seemed admirable to me. It’s also one often expressed by soldiers and Marines.

But wait! As he got older, Klay changed his mind about the emotions expressed in the poem:

Now, slightly older and looking back, I see the sentiments of the poem differently. It’s not mere bluster—or not entirely. Rather, it’s the speaker, amid the vast, impersonal, and terrifying forces of the battlefield, privately finding a way to confront the unimaginable possibility of his own death.

Well, what is it? What does the poem mean? What is its “truth”? Is it Klay’s first take that it’s the pilot exposing himself to a unique and stimulating experience, or is it instead about the poet rationalizing his actions and likely death by realizing that it’s all meaningless? Or is it both? Or something else?

This is the beauty of poetry: it is music in words, sometimes expresses a point of view that can be ambiguous, , but gives only one point of view, and one that is not universal. There is no “propositional truth” here that can be deemed “true” or “false”. It’s simply the expression of an emotion and, to put it somewhat crassly, a form of entertainment.

This is all, of course, part of my view that the fine arts, an essential part of a good liberal education, differs from other areas of education in that it doesn’t deal with finding truth.  I am not of course denigrating the humanities, as I count them among the most valuable part of my own education. (And yes, some of what counts as “humanities,” like economics and sociology, can be a search for propositional truth.) It’s just that the finding of truth is not the point of any of the arts: not of cinema, painting, dance, music, poetry, or long-form literature. I won’t explicate further on this as I’m writing something longer, except to add that this shows that the old saw that the purpose of a university is to find and disseminate truth is not 100% correct.

Finally, let me put up another poem by Yeats that I love. You may well have read this one, “The Lake Isle of Innisfree“:

I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.
And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
There midnight’s all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
And evening full of the linnet’s wings.
I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey,
I hear it in the deep heart’s core.

It is a gorgeous work, with A/B/A/B stanzas, but with lovely alliteration and a last line that’s a bit jarring as it deviates in meter from the other stanzas’ last lines and has no word longer than one syllable.

What is its “truth”? Well, the writer clearly is tired of urban life and wants to decamp to nature, living a Thoreau-ian life with linnet’s wings.  Did Yeats feel that way, or, as in the first poem, is he only putting emotions into another speaker’s head? I suspect it’s Yeat’s own feelings. How would we know, though? The poet is dead, and we can’t ask him. Perhaps he described the meaning of the poem somewhere else, and in that case we would have a “truth”: Yeats was sick of the city and wanted to live alone in nature. Maybe this was a familiar feeling he had and expressed to others, which could help verify that he was speaking for himself.  But if that’s the poem’s “truth,” it is a trivial truth. In this sense the “truth” can teach us nothing that isn’t trivial and nothing that is universal. (I prefer to live an urban life.)

But of course that’s not why we revere poems like this. It’s like saying that the “truth” in Shakespeare’s “Macbeth” is this: “Someone’s overweening ambition can drive them to tragedy.”  Some truth!  We already know that sometimes that happens, and sometimes it doesn’t.  The value of such art is its ability to stimulate our own emotions, to allow us to reflect on our own selves by seeing other people’s different points of view, and to expose us beauty that we would otherwise lack.

Well, these are some random musings, but if you find any “truth” in this poem that couldn’t have been seen otherwise, or hadn’t already been said otherwise, and without the poetry, by all means let me know what it is. Remember, Klay himself can’t pin down any truth in the first poem, for he changed his mind about it over the years.

From Commentary: now that the fighting in Gaza seems to be over Seth Mandel calls out the antisemitic libels

November 2, 2025 • 9:40 am

Commentary is a Jewish magazine, and a conservative one, and if you want to dismiss this article because of that, go ahead, but you’d be obtuse to do so. The article below, which is short, puts paid to the libels that Israel not only committed genocide in Gaza (to me, making such a claim is a touchstone of antisemitism) but also deliberately starved the Gazan population. (I’ll will say, though, that Israel’s brief 11-day withholding of food from Gaza was a mistake.)

But these false accusations, combined with the “progressives'” ignoring of real genocide in Sudan. give us a real idea about the motivations of many during this conflict.  I’m not a big exponent of “whataboutery”, but the deaths in Sudan have now mounted to over 150,000, and there are ample atrocities, including the recent attack on a maternity hospital by antigovernment forces in which nearly 500 of patients were killed willy-nilly. Could a reason for “progressives'” ignoring this war be because most of the perpetrators (and victims) are Muslim, with no Jews being involved?”

At any rate, Commentary writer and editor Seth Mandel, whom I’ve found to be a reliable reporter, calls out the antisemites in a new article in Commentary. Click the headline below to read for free.

Mandel makes several points (my summary):

1.) The UN doesn’t want to war to end. That’s because the organization, which is pro-Palestine and also supports an organization, UNRWA, that’s rife with Hamas terrorists, can now be called to account because the cease-fire allows investigations of death tolls and UNRWA involvement that could be ignored when all the news came from Hamas.

2.) There was no Israeli genocide; that much is clear to anybody with neurons. Of course it may be true that were a few deaths of Gazan civilians who were killed by the IDF deliberately rather than being “byproduct” casualties of IDF soldiers attacking Hamas. But I’d like to ask the “pro-genocide progressives” this:  if Israel intended to wipe out all Gazans, why did it send IDF soldiers into the territory, risking their lives, rather than simply bombing Gaza flat? After all, more than 1,100 IDF soldiers have died in that effort: far more than the number of hostagers rescued.

3.) There is no credible evidence of a famine, a near-famine, or Israeli-caused mass starvation in Gaza.  While throughout the conflict, which may be at an end, we heard repeatedly that Gaza was in the grips of mass starvation, the deaths by starvation were very, very few, and most of them involved people with pre-existing conditions.

Now for some excerpts by Mandel:

No one’s having more trouble accepting the possibility of peace than the United Nations.

While Gazans are finishing school, opening cafes, and posting photos of their full chicken dinners, one UN agency is still banging the drum of “acute malnutrition”—this as the crossings are open and the aid is flowing. UN relief coordinator Tom Fletcher, the source of the “14,000 dead babies in 48 hours” lie—one of the more dangerous and consequential hoaxes of the war—is meeting with the Irish government, which has itself achieved a previously unimagined level of irrelevance. And the International Court of Justice, the UN’s pretend world court, is issuing new demands of Israel to give Hamas-adjacent UN activists more access in Gaza.

All of it is meaningless, of course, having long been overtaken by events. Palestinian social media is currently the UN’s worst nightmare: Gazans with big smiles and full bellies. As John Lennon and Yoko Ono famously said, war is over if you want it. It’s just that the UN doesn’t want it.

Thankfully, nobody cares what the UN wants. But it’s worth examining why the UN is so angry that the war has ceased and Palestinian lives are improving.

One reason is that the war’s end makes it possible to start compiling definitive statistics. And those statistics make it crystal clear that UN-affiliated agencies and their partner NGOs have conducted large-scale fraud, the blast radius of which has incinerated the credibility of much of Western academic and “humanitarian” institutions.

About the “starvation”.  First, a couple of tweets showing the exaggerated claims (the IPC is the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification):

This tweet is based on a JNS article, but on the UN’s own data (see article here):

Of course I am not cold-hearted about these deaths: after all, each one is a child loved by its parents, and each death is heartbreaking. My point is simply to show that the claims of “mass starvation caused by Israel” were always exaggerated–to the point of almost being totally false. And unless you want Gazans to die to support your narrative, this is heartening. From Mandel:

Let’s start with food. Salo Aizenberg—who probably deserves some sort of medal for his painstaking work compiling the true statistical toll of the war—pointed out this week that the UN-backed IPC declared a Gaza famine in August, and that we can now check the numbers against the prediction and verify exactly what the IPC got wrong.

Between the famine declaration and the cease-fire, there should have been 10,143 famine deaths in Gaza. Using Hamas’s own numbers of such deaths—which are obviously not undercounted—the total famine deaths in that period was 192.

That means the IPC predicted about 10,000 famine deaths and was short by about 10,000. The IPC is now at Candace Owens’s level of credibility and statistical reliability.

There was no famine. That’s not an opinion, it’s an indisputable fact. Also indisputable is that there was no near-famine. It wasn’t a close call.

That, by the way, is good news. Although the anti-Israel activist world was hoping for mass starvation, those of us who aren’t monsters are very happy that there was no famine in Gaza. Pay attention to those who dispute this and those who show their disappointment.

Now that the dust is settling, we can see that the ratio of civilian deaths to combatants was about 1.5 to 1: a remarkably low value for urban warfare in which Hamas used human shields. It is in fact the lowest value known among similar situations, and a testimony to the IDF’s policy of trying to eliminate combatants but not civilians:

Then there is the main event: the accusation of “genocide.” While this has been debunked again and again and again throughout the war—to the extent that anyone accusing Israel of genocide has disqualified themselves from legitimate debate over matters of war and peace—now that there is a cease-fire, we can work with steady numbers.

Aizenberg noted in September that using Hamas’s own statistics, and subtracting natural deaths and fatalities caused by munitions fired by Gazan combatants, one gets a total of about 33,000 civilian casualties. The widely accepted number of combatant casualties is at about 25,000.

Every one of those 33,000 civilian casualties is a tragedy and a testament to the effectiveness and ruthlessness of Hamas’s human-shield strategy. That number also means that there are fewer than 1.5 civilian deaths for each combatant war death, an almost unheard-of level of care for civilians by the Israeli army.

Again, these are the numbers. A genocide didn’t happen—that we knew a long time ago. But it is now clear that there is no plausible case that Israel used excessive force against civilians or targeted noncombatants. The opposite is true: In pursuing Hamas, Israeli soldiers sacrificed their own lives to protect civilians. This is not an interpretation of some contextless video floating around social media; this is established fact.

The United Nations and other “humanitarian” and “human rights” groups needed this war to go on in perpetuity so they could forestall a public reckoning they richly deserve. Peace is bad for their business.

Below is Mandel’s conclusion. I have to say that I’ve lived 75 years and have come across antisemitism only once—in a personal incident in high school. Otherwise I was oblivious to it. But the war in Gaza, with its widely-believed lies and libels, has certainly alerted me to the reason “progressives” pay so much attention to the world’s only Jewish country:

Finally, the “genocide” and “deliberate starvation” accusations can now take their place alongside history’s other assorted grotesque expressions of anti-Judaism. Just as Jews should feel no obligation to refute the accusation that they are “the sons of apes and pigs,” they should similarly avoid the debasement of being forced to answer for the fabricated claims of “genocide,” the intention of which is merely to incite violence against Jews and to diminish the crimes of the Holocaust.

The good news is that (fingers crossed) most of the killing has stopped, and also that we can have peace on campus now that the Hamasniks have lost. But don’t be deceived into thinking that antisemitism is dead. Those who banged drums and chanted “From the River to the sea” have lost most of what they were protesting, but of course the animus against Israel and Jews remains.

Brendan O’Neill ponders the unemployment of Israel haters

October 10, 2025 • 11:45 am

The lead story on last night’s NBC News was about the cease-fire in Gaza, and it showed Israelis celebrating the return of the hostages, and Gazan civilians celebrating the cessation of war. Even my Jewish friends in America are celebrating, though they’re properly wary of “stage 2” of the deal: will Hamas gives up its arms and aspirations to control Gaza?

But one group is not celebrating: the pro-Palestinian (and pro-Hamas) activists in the West. Why aren’t they celebrating? This is the question Brendan O’Neill asks in the Spectator article below.  If you won’t read the Spectator or Brendan O’Neill because they’re conservative, well, skip this, but I don’t have a lot of respect for people who would refuse to read a piece like this because of its author or place of publication.

The title is self-explanatory, and you can click on it to read it (or find it archived here). It’s not only well written, but, more important true:

Excerpts (I don’t have a lot to add):

Normal people are cheering the prospect of peace in Gaza. Some might even raise a glass to Donald Trump for his valiant efforts to end this horrible war Hamas started. But there are others who will be feeling forlorn. The anti-Israel mob, to be specific. Won’t you spare a thought for this tragic community that built its entire personality around hating Israel – what are they going to do now?

There is an eerie silence in anti-Israel circles this morning. The people who spent the past two years hollering ‘Ceasefire now!’ seem strangely downbeat about the prospect of a ceasefire. No doubt that’s partly because they would rather eat hot coal than credit Trump with a geopolitical win. But it’s also because they feel the rug of relevance being pulled from under their feet. The brutal truth: peace will rob them of purpose.

It’s been clear for some time now that the fashionable animus for Israel is more than a political position – it’s a religious crusade. These people see Israel not only as a nation fighting a war they don’t like, but as a demonic entity, uniquely barbarous, the poison in the well of humanity. Israel has become a Satan substitute for a godless activist class, the devil against which they measure their own decency. If this war ends, so might their false religion.

They wear the holy garments of Israelophobia so that others will know the depth of their devotion to the cause: the keffiyeh around the necks, the Palestine flag draped like a pashmina over their shoulders. They repeat Israelophobia’s mantras, with little thought but great bombast. Witness how ‘From the river to the sea’ usurped ‘Trans women are women’ as the mating call of woke’s true believers.

. . . .Perhaps the most dangerous thing for the genuflectors to Israelophobia is that Trump’s peace deal shatters the founding lie of their fake faith – namely that Israel is hell-bent on genociding the Palestinian people. In truth, Israel has signed up for a deal that envisions a ceasefire soon and which expressly says that not one Palestinian will be forcibly expelled from Gaza. And so their church crumbles under the weight of its own calumnies.

If the deal works, if Trump and Israel bring peace and banish the anti-Semites of Hamas from public life in Gaza, what will these people do? How will they get their moral kicks? By what means will they advertise to the world their implacable virtue? What will occupy their every waking thought and inform their every political utterance if not that dastardly Jewish State and its ‘genocide’?

Well, there’s always Trump.  Yes, he seems to have done a good thing this time—something that “progressive” leftists would rather die than admit—but he continues his crazy antics elsewhere. Still, Trump doesn’t seem to satisfy people’s needs to signal virtue like the Gaza war has done.

And just when I was about to ask “And what will Greta do?”, O’Neill beat me to the punch:

And poor Greta! She’ll have to go back to talking about climate change, won’t she? Having failed to ‘Save Gaza’, she’ll have to content herself with that oh-so-Nineties mission of saving the planet. Boring! One thinks, too, of the YouTubers who have monetised their hatred for Israel, spending every hour of every day slamming the Jewish State for clicks and bucks. Blessed be the peacemakers, sure, but won’t someone think of the videomakers?

I like what O’Neill said, but remember that the war is far from over: we still have to go to phases 2 and 3: setting up a Gazan government and having Hamas surrender, giving up its weapons and, ideally, migrating to Qatar or some other state.  And until that’s done, the protests will continue and the Israel haters will march on. As O’Neill says:

Of course, there’s another possibility – that they will double down. That they will carry on traipsing against Israel, zombie-style, even when peace descends. Indeed, Your Party, the Zarah Sultana/ Jeremy Corbyn freakshow, is advertising a march in London this weekend. ‘We march on’, the flyer says, ‘until apartheid falls’. For two years, they screamed ‘Ceasefire now!’ – so why are they still marching? I’m tempted to go and laugh from the sidelines. Who’s with me?

Not me!  For peace hasn’t descended yet.

They will continue marching until there are two states: Israel and Palestine, or one state: Palestine engulfing Israel.  Either is a long way off.  The main point that should dampen O’Neill’s glee is that although the protestors did cry “Ceasefire now!” what they really meant was “Eliminate Israel and get rid of all the Jews.” And that ain’t gonna happen. So the marches will continue.

Elliott Abrams: We’ll never have a Palestinian state

September 14, 2025 • 10:30 am

As you may know, Elliott Abrams is a long time foreign security advisor, having served under Reagan, G. W. Bush, and Donald Trump. Wikipedia adds this:

 Abrams is considered to be a neoconservative. He was a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. He served as the U.S. Special Representative for Venezuela from 2019 to 2021 and as the U.S. Special Representative for Iran from 2020 to 2021.

I should add that he was born into a Jewish family, though I have no idea if he’s observant now. And Wikipedia adds “[Abrams’s] involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan administration led to his conviction in 1991 on two misdemeanor counts of unlawfully withholding information from Congress. He was later pardoned by president George H. W. Bush.”

I’m not sure the conviction is relevant to the argument he’s making here, but I don’t want to hide anything. What I think is more relevant is his foreign-policy experience, so at least he has some chops. And this long article from Mosaic, a Jewish organization run by the Tikvah Fund, includes a lot of facts, none of which I found obviously wrong. There is also his “solution” that you can judge for yourself.

Abramas’s thesis is concisely expressed in the title. It jibes pretty much with my own view, except that, as a former exponent of a two-state solution, I thought there might eventually be one. But that was before October 7 of 2023, and now I don’t see a two-state endpoint happening in my lifetime.  Israel doesn’t want it and the Palestinians don’t want it.  If the Palestinians could get some decent leadership not dedicated to wiping out Israel and killing Jews, that would be a different matter, but that leadership hasn’t surfaced (of course perhaps the PA and Hamas is preventing it from surfacing.)

I will summarize with bold headings what I see as Abrams’s main reasons why a Palestinian state will not come to be, though it’s been “recognized” by over a hundred countries. (The U.S. would, in the UN security council, never accept such a state, which is a necessary step for real sovereignty.) But Palestinians themselves will never countenance having their own state so long as it must recognize and coexist peacefully with Israel, and that is why, in the main, Abrams says the “two-state solution” won’t come to be. At the end, Abrams suggests one solution, and though it sounds feasible, I think it’s really a non-starter.

Click on the headline below to read for free:

Remember that dozens have countries, including our European allies, have recognized a state of “Palestine” (details of what they’ve actually recognized are nonexistent). It is, as Abrams says, a reward for Hamas and a rebuke for Israel’s conduct in the war. But should a state be recognized with the aim of lauding terrorists and punishing the only democratic country in the Middle East.  That doesn’t make sense.

A lot of Abrams’s arguments builds on a new book by Hussein Agha and Robert Malley, who have summarized their own efforts to create a Palestinian state in the 2025 volume Tomorrow is Yesterday: Life, Death, and the Pursuit of Peace in Israel/Palestine.

Abram’s words are indented in the summary below, but headings are mine.

The opening and the ending. They’re similar. Opening first:

 France will be the 148th country (by most counts) to recognize a state that does not exist and never will—a “state” with no borders, no government, no economy, and no control over its claimed territory. Norway, Spain, Ireland, and Slovenia recognized Palestine in May 2024 in a clear reward for the Hamas terrorist onslaught in October 2023. The United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia will join the French, as may a dozen or more other countries. These acts of “recognition” do nothing to help Palestinians. Their effect and their usual objective is to harm Israel, both by blaming it for the Gaza war and by making an end to that war more difficult to achieve. As Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in August, “Talks with Hamas fell apart on the day Macron made the unilateral decision that he’s going to recognize the Palestinian state.”

The article’s end reprises the beginning:

The most apt metaphor for Palestinian life today is the Gaza cityscape as it existed on October 6: behind and beneath the facades of homes, hospitals, schools, and mosques lay a vast network of terror tunnels and weapons storehouses. And underlying that physical network lay, and lies still, an intellectual and ideological network of beliefs—beliefs that lead to such widespread support for Hamas even today, and that lead the Palestinian Authority to name schools and plazas after the terrorist murderers of children, and to pay salaries and bounties to terrorists in Israeli prisons.

Israel has done a great deal toward eliminating the physical infrastructure of terror, but there cannot be a Palestinian state unless and until the intellectual network that prizes “armed struggle” against the Jewish state above building a normal life for Palestinians ends as well. That is a task for Palestinians, not Israelis, and it is a task that Palestinians will not take up while international organizations and leaders of important nations assure them that statehood will come to them soon and without conditions.

Now the reasons behind Abrams’s thesis. I see five major arguments:

A. There is no tangible proposal about how such a state would be constructed and run, or where the borders will be. Further, although Abbas has made promises that such a state will be confected in ways that appeal to other countries (peacefulness, etc.), nobody believes him. This is all part of the history of Palestinian dissimulation and lying.  And, in fact, because Palestine doesn’t want its own state so long as Israel survives, they are seeking recognition solely as a way of getting plaudits and having the world condemn Israel.  Abrams dismisses the “commitments” that Abbas has made to the countries to buy their demonization of Israel and recognition of a Palestinian state:

It is difficult not to laugh at all those “commitments” to a “credible reform agenda” by the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, who has made them and others like them over and over again during his nearly twenty years as head of Fatah, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), and the Palestinian Authority. The PA is no closer to ruling Gaza than it has been since June 2007 when it was expelled from there by Hamas, nor any closer to fundamental reform. Macron also stated that “we must build the state of Palestine (and) guarantee its viability,” and it apparently never occurred to him to suggest that Palestinians must “build the state of Palestine and guarantee its viability.”

Why, after 80 years of efforts to partition the Holy Land, has a Palestinian state never been created? Why am I persuaded that this objective will never be achieved? Scores of new countries have been created since the Second World War. What is unique about the struggle for “Palestine” that has doomed it, and what are the alternatives? While my particular focus here is on the West Bank, most of the analysis that follows applies just as well to Gaza.

. . . The Oslo Accords happened over 30 years ago now, and have failed. They were the apparent high point of Israel-Palestinian accommodation and agreement, but what has transpired since shows that their promise was empty. As David Weinberg put it, “Thirty years and billions of dollars and euros later, the return on Western investment in Palestinian independence is abysmal. There is no democracy, no rule of law, no transparency, no sustainability, no investment in economic stability, and no peace education in the PA.” An Economist editorial in September 2023 said the “lasting achievements” of Oslo were “to create a limited Palestinian government loathed by most Palestinians.”

. . . For Western countries there was always something more important: the “peace process” itself. Negotiations, visits, declarations, summits—these were the proximate goals; state-building was arduous, long, boring, and unrewarding. Western politicians needed something flashy to fill an immediate political need. This is precisely what we are seeing today in the ritual recognition of the non-existent state of Palestine by Western governments. The “peace process” has become not a process of construction but an alternative to it—substituting declarations and conferences for hard work that, the leaders knew, was unlikely to be undertaken, to succeed, or to make anyone very happy in the short time that politics demanded.

The conditions that Bush demanded twenty years ago seem almost quaint now. Everyone understands that the Palestinians will not meet any prerequisites that are set. So, leaders like Macron instead accept Abbas’s empty pledges that “reform” has taken place, is under way, or will soon happen. It doesn’t matter: he is lying, they understand fully that he is lying, and they have decided that the lies do not matter. The alternative approach is that of Starmer, who says Israel must achieve impossible goals by a certain date or he will recognize a Palestinian state. Then he can do so and blame Israel at the same time. In all these cases, the goal is to fill a political need (namely, to attack Israel) rather than to bring Palestinian statehood or any concrete improvement in Palestinian lives closer.

Nothing is clearer about the Palestinian leadership’s bogus “reforms” than their failure to lay down their arms, recognize Israel, and, tellingly, to release the hostages. How can we trust the “assurances” of people who won’t even let the hostages go, and who have killed quite a few hostages alreadt or let them die? It is shameful that all those countries, and running dogs like Starmer and Macron, don’t even require Hamas or the PA to guarantee the release of the hostages before recognizing a state!

. . . .Under left-wing political pressure and the demands of growing Muslim populations, even the Anglosphere democracies—Canada, Australia, and the UK—that were once a staunch bulwark against radical demands and often voted against senseless and one-sided UN resolutions have given up. They know what a Palestinian state will require to be successful, but they no longer care, the political pressures are too great to resist, and they wish to punish Israel and its right-wing government for the sin of defending itself. Which Palestinian cannot be struck by the fact that so many world leaders do not even require the release of all hostages before they make their self-indulgent declarations?

Nothing has been more pernicious to building a decent, democratic, peaceful Palestinian state than such “support.” The message to Palestinians is clear: what you need to do to get your state recognized is nothing. No reform, no institution building, no democracy, no defeat of terrorist groups, no competent government. All of that will happen magically in the Palestinian state once it comes into existence. The use of brutal and inhuman violence will bring some nice rewards, while Israel’s reactions will bring it punishment—for it is crystal clear that without the October 7 attacks Macron, Starmer, Albanese, and Carney would not today be recognizing this imaginary state.

. . . Even as war continues, even as hostages remain in captivity, even as the “reformed Palestinian Authority” remains entirely mythical, country after country insists on immediate Palestinian statehood. Israelis know that whatever conditions they set will eventually be abandoned.

B.  The Palestinians have been given opportunities to have their own state at least five times before, and they’ve always rejected it, even when the offers were more generous than any that could be made now. Clearly, they don’t want a state unless Israel is gone. 

It is worth recalling what Palestinians have in fact said “no” to—the Israeli offers of statehood they have turned down. Here is the account of the late Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator during the Oslo period, later  minister of negotiation, and then secretary-general of the PLO from 2015 to 2020.

On July 23, 2000, in his meeting with President Arafat in Camp David, President Clinton said: “You will be the first president of a Palestinian state, within the 1967 borders—give or take, considering the land swap—and East Jerusalem will be the capital of the Palestinian state, but we want you, as a religious man, to acknowledge that the Temple of Solomon is located underneath the Haram al-Sharif.” Yasir Arafat said to Clinton defiantly: “I will not be a traitor. Someone will come to liberate it after ten, fifty, or one hundred years. Jerusalem will be nothing but the capital of the Palestinian state, and there is nothing underneath or above the Haram al-Sharif except for Allah.” That is why Yasir Arafat was besieged, and that is why he was killed unjustly. [Note that, in reality, Arafat died of natural causes.]

In November 2008, . . . Olmert . . . offered the 1967 borders, but said: “We will take 6.5 percent of the West Bank, and give in return 5.8 percent from the 1948 lands, and the 0.7 percent will constitute the safe passage, and East Jerusalem will be the capital, but there is a problem with the Haram and with what they called the Holy Basin.” Abu Mazen [i.e., Mahmoud Abbas] too answered with defiance, saying: “I am not in a marketplace or a bazaar. I came to demarcate the borders of Palestine—the June 4, 1967 borders—without detracting a single inch, and without detracting a single stone from Jerusalem, or from the holy Christian and Muslim places.” This is why the Palestinian negotiators did not sign.

If those Israeli offers were insufficient, none ever will be. And those offers are inconceivable right now to Israelis, because the risks they would impose are unacceptable to Israelis left, right, and center after October 7. Olmert was in fact willing to place the entire Old City of Jerusalem under international control, an astonishing concession that was unlikely to pass his Cabinet or the Knesset and will not be repeated. But even that elicited no response from Abbas, nor did he respond to the Kerry-Obama peace proposal in 2014.

C. Both the PA (and the PLO and Fatah) still support terrorism, and Hamas is openly dedicated to eliminating the state of Israel and killing Jews.  How can we possibly expect Palestine to fully renounce terrorism in their new “state”? Although Wikipedia implies that the Palestinian Authority has stopped its “Pay for Slay” program (“Martyr’s Fund“), which pays off imprisoned Palestinian terrorists who have tried to kill Jews, they haven’t. The fund has simply been renamed. Remember that money donated by other countries donate to Palestine, formerly including the U.S., went into this fund. This is odious and no country should recognize a state that does this. But of course they do!

Nor has Hamas renounced its original charter to kill all Jews, and Abbas still manages terrorism. There is not the slightest indication that the “new” Palestinian state will stop killing Israelis or give up terrorism.

. . . the core of the problem remains the reality and the potential on the Palestinian side. Will Palestinian society ever abandon support for violence and terrorism? Will dreams of destroying Israel ever be replaced by efforts to build a real state? Will businessmen, honest officials, doctors, lawyers, architects, and engineers ever replace terrorist murderers as the most honored citizens? Einat Wilf noted recently that “there are perfectly capable people in Gaza, as we saw on October 7. That massacre required billions of dollars, years of investment in infrastructure, leadership, strategy, and vision, of the most perverse kind. What it shows is that the people of Gaza are not lacking capacity or resources. Their problem is ideological.” From the early Zionist days, to those of Haj Amin al-Husseini, to Arafat, to the present, Palestinian nationalism and even Palestinian identity have been irredentist and negative: about destroying, not building. That is why there is no Palestinian state.

. . .There is a lot more to be said about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, but the essence of it remains in 2025 what it was in 1947: the Arabs said no.

Daniel Pipes has commented on this many times, writing of what he called the Palestinians’ “genocidal rejectionism.” Why haven’t peace and Palestinian statehood prevailed? In the early years, Pipes wrote, “The local population, which we now call Palestinians, didn’t want them there and told them to get out. And [the Zionists] responded by saying no, we are modern Westerners, we can bring you clean water and electricity. But Palestinians engaged in rejectionism, and said, ‘No, we want to kill you; we’re going to drive you away.’” Over a century ago, the Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky explained that this is the response the Jews should expect to such offers of economic advancement, although he believed the attitude would change in the fullness of time. But little has changed, as Pipes writes:

It hasn’t worked because it can’t work. If your enemy wants to eliminate you, telling him that you’ll get him clean water is not going to convince him otherwise. What’s so striking is that the Palestinians have retained this genocidal impulse for such a long period. I would argue, as an historian, that this is unique. No other people have ever retained that kind of hostility for such a length of time.

D. Israel recognizes that any Palestinian state, especially if it abuts Israel, is an existential threat. Israelis don’t want a two-state solution either, but they take this view to maintain the peace. 

The idea that Palestinian institutions should be built up first, largely as Fayyad proposed but necessarily with a far more realistic timeline, is rejected out of hand. Improving Palestinian lives pragmatically—better jobs, better educations, better futures, better government—seems to satisfy no one in diplomatic circles because it quiets none of the political pressures governments are under. Demonstrators are surrounding parliaments and spray-painting government buildings with the slogan “from the river to the sea,” not “let’s build effective institutions.” So the pragmatic alternative of a much-improved version of the status quo is politically “unsustainable.”

But the alternative of creating a Palestinian state now will fail because it is far greater a threat to Israel than Israelis (or any nation) would be willing to accept. As we have seen, this widely acclaimed “alternative” is not even the real goal of Palestinian nationalism, and would create a launching pad for future attacks on Israel from what would become sovereign territory under international law

E.  Neither Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority will cooperate to run a Palestinian state, especially because Hamas hates the Palestinian Authority and its Fatah party. Remember, in a 2006 election, Hamas defeated Fatah, the PLO’s political party headed by Abbas, and the next year a civil war broke out in Gaza in which Hamas proceeded to slaughter many of their fellow Palestinians who were on the side of Fatah:

But the very most that can hoped for in Gaza, if Hamas is destroyed and the entire place is physically rebuilt by some grand international coalition, is that it will resemble the West Bank. There will still be a residue of twenty years of Hamas indoctrination of an entire generation, there will still be thousands of young men trained by Hamas to fight, and there will still be all those Gazans who voted for Hamas and tell pollsters they still support it. A May 2025 poll found that 64 percent of Gazans oppose disarming Hamas and a majority oppose exiling Hamas military leaders; if legislative elections were held with all the parties who ran in 2006, voters in Gaza would go 49 percent for Hamas versus 30 percent for Fatah. Forty-six percent of all Palestinians told pollsters they support “a return to confrontations and armed intifada” (a higher number than in the September 2023 poll mentioned earlier). When asked what the most vital Palestinian goal should be, 41 percent said statehood, including East Jerusalem as the capital—but 33 percent said it must be the “right of return” to their 1948 towns and villages, which would of course mean the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.

This is why a Palestinian state run by the Palestinian Authority and Fatah is not tenable.  There would have to be two Palestinian states: one encompassing part of the West Bank and the other the whole of Gaza.  And of course nobody has that in mind.  There are no credible leaders of such a state that would be supported by both Hamas and Fatah.  This is why countries like France and Germany, who are acting like idiots vis-à-vis recognizing Palestine, are merely acting to condemn Israel, not to solve the problem of terrorism and enmity.

ABRAMS’S “SOLUTION”.  Abrams says that there are really only two things he finds reasonable in the face of cries for a Palestinian state. The first is to do nothing and allow the status quo to exist. That solves no problems. He also rejects the “one-state solution—a state encompassing both Palestinians and Jews (and Israeli Arabs), but that won’t work as Israel would never accept it because it would lead to the mass slaughter of Jews. The solution Abrams likes best is to allow Jordan to help administer a Palestinian state. I believe he got this idea from Agha and Malley’s book:

So what is the idea that they then raise? Jordan. As they write, “another potential outcome is a Jordanian-Palestinian confederation comprising the Hashemite Kingdom and the West Bank. . . . Israelis . . . might view a Jordanian security presence in the West Bank as reliable, more so, certainly, than a Palestinian one, more so, possibly, than a Western one.” King Hussein proposed such a confederation in 1972: a united kingdom consisting of two districts, with full West Bank autonomy except for Jordan’s control of military and security matters and foreign affairs. In 1977, President Carter raised it with Menachem Begin; at various times, President Sadat of Egypt and Henry Kissinger espoused the idea. Hussein and Arafat agreed to such a confederation in 1985. But Jordan renounced the idea in 1988 and today rejects it, demanding Palestinian statehood.

The idea still has some currency. Shlomo Ben-Ami, the Israeli Labor-party (and later Meretz) politician who served as foreign minister under Ehud Barak, wrote this in 2022:

Since all other attempts to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have failed, it may be time to revisit the Jordanian option. . . . King Hussein’s waiving of Jordan’s claim on the West Bank was never ratified by the country’s parliament and was seen by many, including the former crown prince Hassan bin Talal, as unconstitutional. In 2012, he said that since no two-state solution was still possible, the Palestinian Authority should let Jordan recover its control of the territory. . . . A Jordanian-Palestinian confederation has a more compelling logic in terms of economics, religion, history, and memory.

. . .Agha and Malley acknowledge that such proposals will meet with “considerable hurdles” in Jordan. But they explain the advantages for both sides:

[F]or Jordan, a confederation would mean expanding its size and political weight. For the Palestinian elite, Amman already serves as a substitute political and social hub. . . . Palestinians would gain economic and strategic strength, reduce their vulnerability and dependence on Israel, obtain valuable political space, and form part of a more consequential state.

Palestinian support for the idea has risen and fallen, but the leading Palestinian pollster said in 2018 that previous polls had found support to be above 40 percent. Why raise the confederation idea here, and why now? In part to demonstrate that it is not an idiosyncratic notion but rather an option with historical roots and real advantages. In part as a reminder that it is simply false and facile to state that “there is no alternative” to full Palestinian statehood. And, in part, because Palestinian statehood is not going to happen, so contemplation of alternatives will at some future point be required. One of the worst effects of the “there is no alternative” position has been to stifle all discussion of what other options might exist.

It can be argued, of course, that such a confederation would not satisfy Palestinian nationalism. But in its current form Palestinian nationalism cannot fully be satisfied without Palestine extending “from the river to the sea”—that is, by replacing Israel rather than living “side by side in peace and security.” A more positive form of Palestinian nationalism would indeed be satisfied by complete local autonomy in a confederation with Jordan, which is an Arab, Muslim, and already half-Palestinian state. Those who wish to argue that this is insufficient—that Palestinian national identity or ethnicity require an independent state—must tell us why the same is not true for Kurdistan, Tibet, Xinjiang, Quebec, and Somaliland, among many other cases.

Well, it’s better than other solutions, but it isn’t really a solution for several reasons.  The Palestinians don’t want to be overseen by Jordan. The Jordanians don’t want to have anything to do with Palestine, which they consider a den of terrorists. There is no physical location for this state unless it unites Gaza and the West Bank, each run by a faction that hates the other. Could Jordan keep that under control? I doubt it, not without lots of money and help from Western and Arab countries. And remember that half the West Bank is still run by Israel or is occupied by Israelis.  So that problem remains.

In the end, Abrams’s article is an excellent summary of historical arguments for why a two-state solution isn’t feasible, but his alternative doesn’t seem feasible, either. All we can do is wait and watch. But I agree with Abrams that the 148 countries that recognize a Palestinian “state” are not only fooling themselves and rewarding terrorism, but also damaging Israel, a democratic ally of the West.  I have nothing but contempt for people like Macron and Starmer for signing on to such a boneheaded and unworkable scheme.  There is no “there” there.

I quote Abrams again:

. . . . leaders like Macron instead accept Abbas’s empty pledges that “reform” has taken place, is under way, or will soon happen. It doesn’t matter: he is lying, they understand fully that he is lying, and they have decided that the lies do not matter.

But if you have a better solution, put it in the comments.

Coleman Hughes interviews Ben Shapiro

September 8, 2025 • 9:45 am

This is a new video interview from the “Conversations with Coleman” series at the Free Press, but I found it posted just this morning on YouTube. Before you go running to the hills when you hear and see “Ben Shapiro”, let me remind you of the salubrious effect of listening to those whose views differ from yours.

Here are the notes from The Free Press, with the piece titled “Ben Shapiro on the most dangerous force in America“.

Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro sees the civilizational battle of the modern era as one between the builders and the destroyers—or as he writes it in his new book, between the “lions” and the “scavengers.” [JAC: you can find the book here on Amazon].

When I sat down with Ben this week, he explained the way he sees this dynamic play out in American society—across both political parties—as “scavengers,” who feed on grievance, identity politics, and moral relativism, cut down the progress of “lions,” who choose responsibility, courage, and a commitment to truth, even when it’s unpopular.

Over the past two years, Ben has seen the scavengers ascendant, as America and Europe have exploded in violent protest against their own institutions, blaming their ills on the free markets and constitutional republicanism, or on the “military-industrial complex” and “global Jewry.”

I spoke with Ben about the way out of the darkness—which he thinks can best be found in religious values: family obligation and procreation, moral order, and meaning beyond the self.

Our conversation ranged across birth rates, wokeness, and the Donald Trump presidency, with moments of both agreement and debate. I came away with a clearer understanding of his worldview—one that frames the future of Western civilization as a high-stakes struggle, more fraught than ever.

Click to listen; it’s a bit more thanb an hour long, and I did listen to it. I have a few notes below the video. (Note: there are a few short ads.)

Shapiro’s premise, which isn’t controversial, is that those who protest Israel’s actions and favor Palestine (or Hamas) really want to see the demise of Western civilization.  This all, avers Shapiro stems from adopting the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy, which leads to the idea that dispelling that dichotomy means “ripping down the whole system.”  The irony is that many of those who are scavengers, calling for the death of Western values, also benefit from the fruits of those values (e.g., the Oxford students whom Shapiro debated—the incident that inspired the book).  He adds that those “fruits”—the results of technological and scientific innovation, as well as of capitalism—were largely spread by Western colonialism, a contention that will drive “progressives” wild (cf. Bruce Gilley).

I do disagree with both Shapiro’s religiosity and his claim that alternative family structures are somewhat immoral (both of which, he says, are things that “scavengers” oppose, along with the “male/female binary”), and he does push hard on his view that the societal norm, endorsed by the government, should be that couples are best made of one heterosexual male and one heterosexual female, who have a sort of cultural duty, as well as a proper “life aspiration,” to have several children. (Apparently Shapiro is deeply worried by the low frequency of “replacement level” births in the West.

I’ve always wondered how Shapiro, who prides himself on his rationality, had bought so heavily into superstition—in the form of orthodox Judaism. It’s not just that religions like Judaism uphold the traditional values that that Shapiro sees as the grounding of Western civilization, but that Shapiro seems to believe the myths and superstitions of the Old Testament itself.

Moving on, at 43:45 Hughes says Shapiro describes himself as a “sometimes Trumper” rather than a “never Trumper”, and Hughes asks whether Trump has done or could do anything that would make Shapiro reject him completely. Shapiro responds that he’s been very critical of Trump’s economic policy (tariffs) and foreign policy, as well as of the use of executive power willy-nilly to promote “national security.” Shapiro abhors the expansion of executive power at the expense of Congress, something he says has been going on for a while, including under Biden and Obama.

When asked what he sees as Trump’s biggest achievements, Shapiro replies that the three big ones are the shutting down of the southern border, the dismantling of DEI (which, of course, is not near being dismantled), and the striking of Iranian nuclear facilities in conjunction with Israel.

They then discuss peak wokeness, and Shapiro argues that “Black Lives Matter” as well as “trans-issue” wokeness are gone, but we are heading into higher “economic wokeness”, which calls for violence against those, like the murdered United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, who are seen as parasitizing society. This takes him back to the “tear down society” mindset of many protestors.

At about 53:30, they proceed to disagree on the value of the Second Amendment (Shapiro is pro, Hughes con, as he considers that Amendment as originally construed in the Constitution is largely superfluous).  Shapiro considers the Amendment moot because there are so many guns already in existence, and it’s impossible to get rid of them. I disagree: one can at least try to restrict and buy back guns from the public, even if it doesn’t work perfectly. Remember, far more deaths that result from privately-owned guns are of innocent people than of criminals shot in self defense.  This is from a study conducted by the Violence Policy Center:

The study finds that in 2019 there were only 316 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm reported to the SHR. That year, there were 9,610 criminal firearm homicides reported to the SHR. Using these numbers, in 2019, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a gun, guns were used in 30 criminal homicides. For the five-year period 2015 to 2019, 49,104 Americans died in criminal gun homicides, while guns were used in only 1,453 justifiable homicides: a ratio of 34 to one. Neither ratio takes into account the tens of thousands of lives lost each year in firearm suicides and unintentional gun deaths. The study presents Bureau of Justice Statistics data that reveal that only a tiny fraction of the intended victims of violent crime (1.7 percent) or property crime (0.3 percent) employ guns for self-defense – and of these incidents, it’s not known whether the gun was even used successfully in stopping the crime.

They finish up with Shapiro describing what he sees as the biggest misconceptions about him harbored by the public. They include lumping Shapiro together with other conservatives (e.g., Tucker Carlson), a view which I don’t like either as it gives people an excuse not to pay attention to any message that comes from the Right.

Overall, it’s a decent conversation (Hughes is an excellent interviewer), though I thought Shapiro went on a bit too long about the duty to have heterosexual families and children, a view with which I disagree. And I still don’t understand his strict adherence to Orthodox Judaism, which is a form of superstition. I wish Hughes had asked him that question, but of course it would have made Shapiro uber-defensive.  And, in general, I agree with Shapiro on what he see’s as Trump’s biggest mistakes and three biggest achievements, though of course I did not and would not ever vote for Trump.  And I still think we should strive to eliminate all private ownership of guns.  Finally, there wasn’t enough discussion about the connection between war protests and the desire to destroy Western civilization. After all, that was supposed to be the “most dangerous force in America,” and yet I don’t perceive it as so dangerous right now. I would, however, like more people to be aware of the connection.