The scandal of English grooming gangs

January 7, 2025 • 11:15 am

UPDATE:  A UK government report from 2020 suggests that there are conflicting data on the ethnicity of the offending “grooming gangs”. Click below to see the study and I quote from page 10 of the Executive Summary (bolding is mine):

17. A number of high-profile cases – including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay,3 the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.4 Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. However, there are cases where offenders within groups come from different backgrounds.7

Stay tuned, and if you know of more dispositive data, place it in the comments. If this be true,  then even bringing in the element of race is misguided. But as I say below, it doesn’t matter what color or ethnicity the pedophiles were, for nearly everyone agrees that the whole issue of grooming gangs has been grossly mishandled by the UK authorities, and largely swept under the rug.

UPDATE 2: A reader calls attention to this NYT article claiming that Musk’s tactics in exposing the grooming gangs are dishonest and politically motivated.

 

The Free Press headline below may be exaggerated, but it comes close to the truth.  For it’s about the “grooming gangs” that have plagued England for several decades.  They involve groups of men—most often of Pakistani or Bangladesi ancestry—whose goal is to subjugate and rape young children of both sexes. Some children have been killed.  But because the perps are usually people of color, the government, the police, and the public have largely ignored the issue.  This is a huge scandal involving, once again, a clash of ideologies that came down the wrong way. The warring ideologies are to avoid denigrating immigrants of color versus protecting children against pedophiles.

Yes, some of these gangs have been broken up and the perps sent to prison, but only now, with the prompting of Elon Musk, is it being publicized as the heinous crime it is. (The fact that Musk is widely hated makes it hard for people to accept the situation, but his actions in this case are right.) For the grooming is still going on, and not just in the UK but in other places in Europe.  Unfortunately, calling attention to these gangs is seen not only as racist, but as anti-immigrant, both characterizations being horrible to liberals.

I’m not going to describe these crimes in detail, as they makes me sick, but you need to know about them, and the UK needs to start taking the issue VERY seriously.

First, a piece from the Free Press, which you can access by clicking on the headline.

There’s a thread of incidents tweeted by Elon Musk you can find at the link, and of course everybody is festooning them with community notes because Musk. This first one, for example, happened five years ago, and the perps are in jail. But it tells you the kind of things that can happen. Here are the first two tweets, apparently both from 2013.  But as the article above notes, this is still going on,

A quote from the Free Press piece:

The grooming and serial rape of thousands of English girls by men of mostly Pakistani Muslim background over several decades is the biggest peacetime crime in the history of modern Europe. It went on for many years. It is still going on. And there has been no justice for the vast majority of the victims.

British governments, both Conservative and Labour, hoped that they had buried the story after a few symbolic prosecutions in the 2010s. And it looked like they had succeeded—until Elon Musk read some of the court papers and tweeted his disgust and bafflement on X over the new year.

Britain now stands shamed before the world. The public’s suppressed wrath is bubbling to the surface in petitions, calls for a public inquiry, and demands for accountability.

The scandal is already reshaping British politics. It’s not just about the heinous nature of the crimes. It’s that every level of the British system is implicated in the cover-up.

Social workers were intimidated into silence. Local police ignored, excused, and even abetted pedophile rapists across dozens of cities. Senior police and Home Office officials deliberately avoided action in the name of maintaining what they called “community relations.” Local councilors and Members of Parliament rejected pleas for help from the parents of raped children. Charities, NGOs, and Labour MPs accused those who discussed the scandal of racism and Islamophobia. The media mostly ignored or downplayed the biggest story of their lifetimes. Zealous in their incuriosity, much of Britain’s media elite remained barnacled to the bubble of Westminster politics and its self-serving priorities.

They did this to defend a failed model of multiculturalism, and to avoid asking hard questions about failures of immigration policy and assimilation. They did this because they were afraid of being called racist or Islamophobic. They did this because Britain’s traditional class snobbery had fused with the new snobbery of political correctness.

All of which is why no one knows precisely how many thousands of young girls were raped in how many towns across Britain since the 1970s.

Although some have said that this is no longer a problem, and the perps are all in jail, that’s simply not true. The first link above goes to a UK government site about the Grooming Gangs Taskforce, and was published in May of last year:

In the last 12 months the crack team of expert investigators and analysts has helped police forces arrest over 550 suspects, identify and protect over 4,000 victims, and build up robust cases to get justice for these appalling crimes.

Established by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak in April 2023, the Grooming Gangs Taskforce of specialist officers has worked with all 43 police forces in England and Wales to support child sexual exploitation and grooming investigations.

Led by the National Police Chiefs’ Council and supported by the National Crime Agency, the taskforce is a full time, operational police unit funded by the Home Office to improve how the police investigate grooming gangs and identify and protect children from abuse. It is staffed by experienced and qualified officers and data analysts who have long-term, practical on-the-ground experience of undertaking investigations into grooming gangs.

Finally, from Unherd, an article about how the cops are complicit in not going after grooming gangs. It’s written by a former detective :


The answer is pretty much what you would expect: going after grooming gangs that largely comprise people of color is seen as racist, and you know how the British cops are with “hate speech”:

The statistics behind the rape gang scandal — let’s banish the wholly inadequate word “grooming” — are staggering. For over 25 years, networks of men, predominantly from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds, abused young white girls from Yeovil to London to Glasgow. The victims’ accounts are beyond depravity, unthinkable in a supposedly advanced Western democracy.

That, of course, immediately raises a simple, shocking question: why did British police services turn a blind eye to the gang rape of tens of thousands of young girls? I should have a fair idea. I was a police officer for 25 years, including five as a detective in the Met’s anticorruption command. Working on sensitive investigations into police wrongdoing, I saw first-hand how law enforcement responds to scandals and crises. I’ve watched senior officers, faced with uncomfortable truths, wriggle like greased piglets. I’ve witnessed logic-defying decisions for nakedly political reasons. I am firmly of the view, then, that the whole scandal has unambiguously revealed rank cowardice by constabularies across the UK, where the most senior whistleblower in the entire country was a lowly detective constable.

The answer, in the end, is simple. Racism, for police services from Chester to Penzance, remains the original sin. From the Scarman Report to the Macpherson Inquiry, the police have long served as Britain’s sin-eaters, devouring social problems on our behalf. As former Met Commissioner Sir Robert Mark famously wrote: “The police are the anvil on which society beats out the problems and abrasions of social inequality, racial prejudice, weak laws and ineffective legislation.” That was over 40 years ago, and little has changed since. This institutional reticence over race goes beyond the police themselves: even the Independent Office for Police Conduct’s (IOPC) review of the rape gang scandal tiptoed around the heritage and religion of offenders.

The second reason why race is a third rail issue for police? Public order. The raison d’etre of British policing, imprinted into its DNA, is Keeping the King’s Peace. And as we saw in Southport and elsewhere last summer, austerity-ravaged services are ill-equipped to deal with large-scale disorder. Riots, especially those with a racial element, are the ultimate manifestation of police failure, even as forces like Greater Manchester and South Yorkshire are petrified of seeing a repeat of the 2001 disturbances in Oldham. I suspect, then, that chief constables were inclined to see the rape gang scandal as another intractable problem, confined to a marginalised section of the white underclass. To pick at that particular scab might risk public disorder. Better to speak to “community leaders” — to keep the peace, even at the price of allowing organised paedophile networks to operate in plain sight.

It is incomprehensible to me how the police, government, and general public prefer to brush this issue under the rug: it’s pedophilia, for crying out loud, and the abuse is both horrible and pervasive. But I’ll close with the observation that again we see a clash of two opposing views: one in which people of color should be treated fairly, which is good, and the other in which children should not be sexually abused, completely incontestable.  But when people of color begin mass sexual abuse of children, and those children appear to be mostly white, you can see how it poses a conflict for the woke. Yet it should not be a conflict, for no matter what color the abusers and rapists are, they are violating the law big time and should be taken off the streets. That has happened to some extent, but not nearly to the extent that should be the case.

h/t: Luana

86 thoughts on “The scandal of English grooming gangs”

  1. It’s widely accepted that beliefs guide behavior. I wonder, though, in many instances if it’s not the reverse. Maybe beliefs are adopted to justify behaviors that people want to engage in regardless. In this case, that may involve both the perps and the officials. Their behaviors weren’t guided by their beliefs so much as their behaviors were justified by beliefs adopted after the fact.

  2. Two useful recent pieces on the issue are Michelle Goodberg’s in The NY Times and Helen Pluckrose’s very detailed account at hpluckrose.com. This is her blog and her essay is How Not to Talk About Rape Gangs.

    3. I didn’t find Michelle Goldberg’s article particularly useful. It’s mostly a long rant about Elon Musk. Musk is definitely wading into controversial waters and I’m not defending him.

      But he’s very recent coming to this story, that goes back years.

      If the perps aren’t largely Muslim immigrants why did this phenomenon only become a “thing” post-mass immigration?

    1. Maybe it should have said, “Musk is widely hated by the elite left”.
      Musk has been made into a villain by those on that side of the aisle.
      Pauline Kael famously said, “I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.” In a similar vein, many on the left experience the same with Musk – they only experience those who hate him due to the effectiveness of the media brainwashing that’s turned him into a bad guy.

      1. The man was literally responding to people yesterday saying, word for word, “F U retard” on his website. That is no media spin whatsoever, but there are plenty of actions that show he is not a serious adult. I don’t think it is media brainwashing to have some level of contempt for that behavior.

      2. I hate Musk for his pro-Russian actions and words, for his picking on the heroic Ukrainian leader Zelensky, for his messing in politics of democratic countries with his big money (he criticizes only democratic leaders and leaves Putin and the Taliban and the Mullahs alone), and also for the abysmal way he treats his children and their mothers.

        1. But forget about Musk and all his many faults. The story and the coverup stands. It’s an old story and predates Musk’s involvement so he’s not really relevant.

      3. Musk is often the fissure between the woke left and old left. Where do you stand?

        I quite like him and admire him. He’s not the satan the elite left posits or the messiah the right want. I’m his age, came from the Brit. Commonwealth and made good in America, voted Dem all my life here, worked for Hillary but like him I’m horrified by woke.
        I get it.
        D.A.
        NYC

      4. Musk is a villain. The evidence is indisputable. I can list many actions of his that reasonable people would consider villainous, starting with his theft of Tesla from the founders, through a confidence trick to make Tesla shareholders bail out Solar City, sabotaging mass transit projects with fanciful nonsense travel systems, often involving tunnels, defrauding Tesla owners by selling them products that don’t work properly, calling a man a pedophile because they didn’t like his rescue submarine, buying the US president, trying to buy British politicians…. and so on.

  4. This is one of the most disturbing issues emerging from the UK. It seems as though the country has lost its place on the global stage. I’ve been following the situation for some time, particularly because of a man named Tommy, who is currently in jail for making a documentary on this very matter. The UK government is using Tommy as a scapegoat for everything that’s happening, while maintaining their usual facade, stuff upper lip and sweeping the issue under the rug.

    The UK has a legal age of consent set at 16, so it is shocking that the police have arrested 11- and 12-year-old girls for disorderly conduct and intoxication, instead of going after the adults who provided them with alcohol, drugs, and were gang raping them. Because these men said an 11 year girl consented, Watch chef constable david crompton being interviewed before he resigned to see how unapologetic the police were . https://youtu.be/KRXH_ZvxSBY?si=iY_7vUs5gPv4symc
    The level of societal decay and brain rot that would allow something like this to happen is deeply disturbing. Douglas Murray is in good interview about this topic. https://youtu.be/fDh85cohwms?si=g3CMSAVl9kXclhqN

    1. … a man named Tommy, who is currently in jail for making a documentary on this very matter.

      To clarify: Tommy Robinson made accusations against a Syrian immigrant; that person sued for libel; Robinson lost. That court ordered him not to repeat the accusations. The documentary he made does repeat these accusations. Robinson is thus now in jail for contempt of court, not merely for “making a documentary”.

      Hoewever, it is also the case that the judicial system (with guidance from politicians) has treated Robinson much more harshly than other people. So one can still argue that he has been “made an example of” and should not be in jail.

      It is also the case that some other people have been jailed for nothing more than social-media posts, including one person who had done nothing more than post pictures of immigrants with the caption “coming to a town near you”.

      1. Yes fully aware and agree and I don’t like to focus on him as you can love Tommy or hate him call him a raciest or say he did good work but he should not be the focus here the grooming gangs should be and the UK government who covered up all this mess for years. And probably how freedom of speech is dead in the UK unless you saying what the government wants to hear.

        1. As I said before the focus should not be on him but how the country failed these girls. And the police.

        2. He was doing that because so much else was being done, in general, to keep the deeper realities of the ‘grooming gangs’ hidden from public view. How he went about that may be a point of discussion but the realities then as they are being raised now, needed to be addressed.

          1. His behaviour was irresponsible and could have allowed the perpetrators to walk free.

            Former Home Secretary had spoken out about the issue in 2011 (for which he was, inevitably, accused of racism). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat

            Julie Bindel had reported on the scandal years before that. The idea that Musk or Robinson have uncovered something new is simply untrue, although the more reporting that the horrendous abuse gets, the better, I suppose.

    2. It is pertinent to remember that children cannot consent. It is hard baked into the law.

      The deflection of responsibility for who is the criminal is staggering.

  5. It is a disgrace what happened in the UK, turning a blind eye because many perpetrators were ethnic minorities.

    However, I really wonder, why this issue is reheated now. The cases that Musk cited were from 2013 and the main drama was in the pre covid time. If anything, the commission set up by the Tories was a step in the right direction.

    Thus I am conflicted. I appreciate the additional pressure to get some political actors to reckon with their actions. On the other hand I cannot shake the feeling that this timing is intentional.

    Oh.. one more thing: while Pakistan and other Muslim ethnicities are highly overrepresented among those perpetrators, they are not the majority.

    1. The issue reignited in late December when a letter written by Jess Phillips, the minister responsible for safeguarding in October came to light. In the letter, Phillips refused a request by Oldham council to hold a public inquiry into the issue of child rape gangs in the town.

      The story broke on the right-leaning GB News channel, made its way into more mainstream media, and was then picked up by Musk.

      1. Thanks for the explanation. Though it doesn’t surprise me that Ms. Phillips is at the root of this.

        1. To be fair to Phillips, her letter was uncannily similar to one written to Oldham council by her predecessor in the Conservative government, the major difference being that Alexis Jay had not yet published her final report for the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.

    1. It would seem that British police have ignored sexual exploiters of children for much longer than we knew, whether the exploiters were white or persons of colour.

  7. Re your update. This sort of equivocation about the quality of data is quite common. It may even be true, and yet you may also argue that one of the consequences is to diffuse and dilute the efforts to solve the original problem. The main issue is not the ethnicity of the groomers but their behaviours.

    1. Well that “zero interest” claim is not really true. For example, when Musk took over Twitter, one of the first things he did was reinforce and give priority to eliminating child-abuse material on Twitter (while sacking most other moderation teams), and he Tweeted about this quite a bit

  9. I suppose there must be a reason why the word “grooming” is used in this particular context. Why not call it what it is: gang rape of children. Why “grooming”?

    2. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groom

      Grooming has been used with the meaning 3a [to make (someone) ready for a specific objective] since the 19th century and with the meaning 3b [to build a trusting relationship with (a minor) in order to exploit them especially for nonconsensual sexual activity] since the 20th century.

    3. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending-accessible-version#characteristics-of-offending

      “Despite significant variance, there are some similarities in the way groups operate:

      Initial contact with victims sometimes happens in public spaces, including those that offenders have access to because of their line of work;

      Victims are then groomed in multiple ways, including via the exchange of commodities such as alcohol, drugs and other gifts;

      An offender often grooms the victim into believing they are in a legitimate relationship before coercing them to have sex with the offender and others in the group. A victim may then be taken to a party or gathering and expected to have sex with other offenders.

      Abuse often takes place in private residences, including ‘party houses’;

      Victims can be coerced into introducing peers to the offender network.”

    4. Agreed, Richard. One of the best things about the recent coverage of this horrendous scandal is that the “grooming gang” language is increasingly being replaced by the more accurate term you referred to.

    5. Properly, pedophile rapists of mostly working-class girls. The media generally referred to the gangs as “Asian,” as if they could be Japanese or Thai.

    6. The OED definition of “grooming” is: “To gain the trust of or influence over (a child), now often via the internet, as preparation for sexual abuse, exploitation, or trafficking.”

      Note that this is a bit different from the Webster’s definition that someone else gave. I’ll come back to that.

      From what I’ve read, these gangs did use such grooming practices to gain the trust of children, preparatory to the horrific crimes that we’re talking about. Those crimes included torture, severely aggravated rape, etc. It would be better to focus on those crimes than the preparatory acts of “grooming”, even though that’s a crime in itself. Like you, Richard, I’d prefer to see references to “child rape gangs” or something along those lines. I assume the expression “grooming gangs” has been used until now simply because it’s alliterative.

      The Webster’s definition of “grooming” strikes me as a bit odd. I know that people like to say that children can’t consent, and that might be correct as a legal claim – although how it works might depend on the jurisdiction.

      The real point is that sex with children under the age of consent is illegal whether or not they are cooperating voluntarily. That is, any cooperation that they give voluntarily will not be a defence to the crime. It seems that children are often groomed by pedophiles to go along with acts whose sexual nature they don’t (and probably can’t) understand at the time. The pedophiles try to make the conduct seem “normal” and harmless to the children so that exploitation and abuse can happen with little or no resistance.

      Now, that’s certainly bad, and you’ll never see me defending it. But talk of “grooming gangs” understates things. It can give the impression that this – which, again, is bad enough – might have been the scenario, when what actually happened was far worse still.

      Once again, these were/are child rape gangs.

    7. Because they aren’t just cruising round picking up children off the street to rape them. They are befriending these people and then raping them. The term “grooming” in the context is widely understood in the UK as meaning befriending children (usually online) and using deception to meet and then rape them. It’s not sugar coating the pill to describe these as grooming gangs. We all know it means the befriend children with the aim of raping them.

  11. I think what is going on is really about free speech and censorship.

    The U.K. has been imprisoning people who say mean things about Islam and Muslims.

    Because of this, no one believes or trusts the government any more about any issue involving Islam.

    Musk is just saying what a lot of people in the U.K. are thinking, but cannot say without risking prison.

  12. I followed this scandal closely in the media while it was happening, and people were justifiably appalled and disgusted by what happened. However, there seems to be some misinformation circling around. The British Police are not known for wokeness. The reason given that the police did not respond appropriately to the girls’ complaints, at the time, was not because they were afraid of being accused of racism, but because of misogynistic attitudes: they wouldn’t act because they decided that the girls were making a “lifestyle choice”, and generally did not believe them or take their complaints seriously. Although it is believed that the Social Services did not take appropriate action for fear of being accused of racism, and this seems to have been a genuine factor, it was not solely left wing influences that allowed this disgusting scandal to be covered up, but also right wing attitudes.
    I don’t know of any ongoing abuse by grooming gangs, although I obviously can’t rule it out. But just recently one of the gangs were given long prison sentences, so the wheels of the criminal justice system still seem to be grinding, and the collars of these criminals are still getting felt.
    According to the people I’ve talked to here in the UK, most people are appalled at the idea that a foreigner, Elon Musk, should have the affrontery to tell the British people who they should have as their Prime Minister, after we have just chosen him in a free and fair election.
    It is certainly true that Starmer’s government is unpopular after some of the decisions they have made since being elected, and I suspect that is what this – small – opinion poll is showing. It’s not that we like Musk, it is more that people no longer like Starmer, if they ever did.
    The reason the Gov’t seems to be refusing an enquiry is that there has already been one: The very thorough, 7 year long, Alexis Jay Child Sex Abuse Inquiry. One problem is that the recommendations were not implemented by the Conservative Government, you can be sure after all this furore that they will be now.
    Musk needs to take time to understand the issues instead of believing everything he reads on Twitter… err sorry… X.

    1. The reason the Gov’t seems to be refusing an enquiry is that there has already been one: The very thorough, 7 year long, Alexis Jay Child Sex Abuse Inquiry.

      That enquiry was about a different matter. Their terms of reference were explicitly about sexual abuse within institutions. That is, it was an enquiry into abuse of children in schools (especially boarding schools), in care homes, by religious institutions, in sports teams, in Young Offenders Institutions, et cetera. Effectively, its remit was to produce a set of procedures for such institutions to adopt to protect kids.

      It explicitly did not include child abuse within familes and it did not include the sort of grooming gangs we’re discussing. (See Annex 1 of the full report.)

      There has not been a full national enquiry into grooming gangs (though there have been local enquiries concentrating on particular towns).

    2. Completely agree with your analysis. I might add that Jay herself has said that we don’t need yet another public inquiry, which will take ages and mainly serve only to enrich the lawyers. As you say, her report has made a number of concrete recommendations, which the previous Government sat on, and which this Government is just getting round to implementing.

    4. Peter, this UK gov’t news story from May 2024 indicates gang rapes of children continue to occur.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

      Grooming Gangs Taskforce arrests hundreds in first year
      A dedicated police taskforce set up to bring down grooming gangs has supported police forces in England and Wales to make hundreds of arrests in its first year.

      In the last 12 months the crack team of expert investigators and analysts has helped police forces arrest over 550 suspects, identify and protect over 4,000 victims, and build up robust cases to get justice for these appalling crimes.

  13. Jerry, that 2020 Government report seems to me pretty much a whitewash. It was commissioned by (and the report is introduced by) then-Home-Secretary Priti Patel (that is surely relevant). It cherry-picks data and uses diversion tactics to avoid the conclusion that this was mostly Pakistani-origin gangs.

    For example: “not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, …”.

    Yes, one can always say that the data are insufficient and the sampling not thorough enough.

    And: “… the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said …”.

    Well yes, the academic literature would say that; just about the only academics who dared go near this issue were those who were also trying to minimise the problem.

    1. “group-based CSE offending” is exactly the sort of category you’d make up to dilute the problem. I’m lazy to dig this up in the report, but I believe CSE includes cases of under-16s sexting other under-16s, and I bet some teens had a group chat. Good way to make sure many of the offenders will be ordinary white kids. Totally the same things as being repeatedly gang raped.

    2. Simply look at the composite photos of all the defendants in the few trials that have occurred. Usually all but one are the same, and when the government tries to tell us it’s a problem of all ethnic groups we know what is going on. We are being lied to because the government (all recent administrations) have no idea of how to fix the mess they have made. They are terrified there will be civil unrest from one or both sides and so suppress all discussion and keep their heads firmly planted in the sand. But ignoring the issue will only make it worse when it finally erupts.
      You’d do well to read Frank Furedi’s comments on it:
      https://frankfuredi.substack.com/p/racial-vengeance-is-given-a-free

  16. Staggering levels of incompetence and cowardice. The UK really does seem to be fading away on multiple fronts and is suffering from a huge malaise. A lot of this tolerance of the behavior of immigrants is stemming from a birth rate crises on the part of the natives…leaders need a tax base and the indigenous population is not having enough kids.

    That said, hard to see how this is the same culture that stood up to the Nazis in the darkest days of WW2.

    Then again, the 30s in the UK was marked by ineptitude by leaders as well, so maybe there are some latter-day heroes coming to the fore. Cometh the hour cometh the man or woman, perhaps.

    1. “A lot of this tolerance of the behavior of immigrants is stemming from a birth rate crises on the part of the natives…leaders need a tax base and the indigenous population is not having enough kids.”

      I wonder, however, what measures the British government undertook to increase the birth rate of the natives and make the expenditures sustainable, instead of allowing immigration on a scale that smacks of population replacement.

      Also, one would think that the most welcome immigrants would be those similar to natives in their culture and values. Instead, Eastern European immigration has been consistently discouraged at the expense of immigration from backward predatory cultures, and instead of the Pakistani rapists, it is the hard-working Polish plumbers who are vilified.

      I wonder how any reasonable person would expect these policies and attitudes to end well.

  17. Regarding the data, I’ve seen reports about how non-Muslims are actually the majority of this sexual violence / gang rape against children, with the implication that we should overly emphasize the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators. However, based on reading the Pluckrose piece as well as other reports, I think that the data are in fact under-representing the religious / ethnic background.
    First off, if the culture (or subgroups within the culture) is such that child rape is seen as OK, then there would be no reporting of it except in rare cases, so a large number of those crimes would not be recorded. Secondly, if the police either fail to investigate or investigate and then are pressured not to file reports, again there is no record. Additionally, when it was investigated, per Wikipedia, “The force at the centre of the Rotherham grooming scandal was not routinely recording the ethnicity of child sexual abuse suspects, a newspaper has found. Rotherham, where hundreds were abused by gangs of South Asian men, omitted suspect ethnicity in 67% of cases”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal Thus, these crimes would not be classified as crimes by South Asians.

    Therefore, it would seem to me that this problem is more widespread, and more focused within the South Asian Muslim community than available data would show.

  18. So prez Musk calls out the British political pathetics all the while sitting at the same table as a predator of women who declairs it is right cause he’s a star.

    1. Musk is a distraction in all this. Every Brit knows this is a real problem and that nothing has been done about it. Musk may be making hay out of it for his own reasons, but that does not diminish to size of the problem. Between 2018-2019 local councils identified 18,900 girls involved (source: The Independent), and some estimates put the figure around 30,000, but of necessity there is guesswork involved. There is no doubt that rape gangs are still operating and still getting away with it because of the anxiety of the police and other bodies to avoid charges of racism, and to avoid lighting the fuze to the powder keg.

  19. I have read claims (cannot find the source now) that in many districts populated by Pakistani immigrants, the (ring)leaders of the local community profit handsomely from the enslavement of native girls, and at the same time have huge control over the votes of the community. Because of this, officials turn a blind eye to the enslavement of girls because if any serious measures are taken, the ringleaders will make sure that at the next elections the local community votes for the other party. It seems that, as soon as an aggressive immigrant group becomes numerous enough to form an important voting block, democracy dooms the natives to be subjugated and preyed upon in their own land.

    If the first and foremost duty of government is to protect citizens from foreign enemies, the immigration policy of Western governments is a giant abuse of power and betrayal of the native population.

    1. For a typical article on the subject, see “Warehouse was electoral fraud factory – Poll officials broke rules, police ignored evidence and Labour councillor lied, Birmingham postal voting investigation concludes” (Guardian UK).

  20. When a cop looking at other cops says something like “…wriggle like greased piglets.” it should be an indicator that something is going on.

  21. I won’t pretend any knowledge of this story, as prior to this week for whatever reason I had not previously encountered it. Now that I have, I can only say that it is clearly horrific and I am struggling to get my head around it.

    But one thing I don’t understand is, supposedly the police have ignored the problem because the perpetrators are mostly Muslim/Pakistani and the police do not want to be accused of racism. Yet in the update there is a quote stating “Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.”

    If that quote is true, it undercuts even the pathetic and execrable explanation that has been put forward for why the police have not taken comprehensive action. So which is it, are the police scared of moving against Muslim actors or are they just not doing their jobs at all?

    1. In a country with a population that is 83% white it is likely that most perpetrators will be, too. It’s the relative proportion that is important, e.g. as in my posts at #14 and #15 above.

      1. Also, I’d argue that these crimes perpetrated within these Muslim communities are under-reported, and thus the situation is worse than available data would show.

    2. “Most commonly” refers to all sexual crimes, and reflects the majority white population. But the rape gangs? Almost exclusively Pakistani muslims. This is one of the many ways the gov. says ‘move along, nothing to see here.’

  22. The Labour government finds itself engaged in a war of words with the world’s richest man about abusive men getting girls stoned and sexually exploiting them. So naturally, it released a TikTok video on the party’s official account using background music extolling exactly that kind of behaviour! You couldn’t make it up. https://archive.is/i3aMo

  23. In addition to police and other government authorities ignoring the fact that adult men were frequently seen accompanying underaged girls is the puzzling fact that school teachers and neighbors were often guilty of doing the same thing. That’s rather unexpected, at least by me.

    I’ve encountered several suggestions for this. A fear of seeming racist, perhaps — but also tendencies to overvalue the idea of consent, and to view working class girls as mature or tough for their age. “They”(young teenage girls) consider having older “Asian”(Pakistani) “boyfriends” to be a “status symbol.” Adults see what looks like choice, and they automatically respect it.

    While it’s entirely possible that for some of these girls it may have started out this way — or the assumption that they were being loved may have kept them enthralled — the lapse in child safeguarding is still appalling.

    As for there being plenty of examples of non-Muslim men engaging in similar abuse, I think Helen Pluckrose hits the nail on the head when she argues that dangerous predatory subcultures of “ religiously aggravated rape gangs which exist among Muslim Pakistanis …need to be understood and addressed on their own terms with regard to specific motivations.” Enough whataboutery.

  24. “only now, with the prompting of Elon Musk, is it being publicized as the heinous crime it is.” This is complete rubbish. Arrests and prosecutions were made, investigations carried out. It was all over the British newspapers. The Jay Report into the Rotherham abuse was published almost 10 years ago and is available on the Parliament website. Just because Musk has only discovered it now does not mean it was not publicised and investigated. An overhaul of how child sexual abuse was handled was carried out by one Keir Starmer, who was Director of Public Prosecutions. Musk might have heard of him.

  25. Tommy Robinson was a kind of whistle blower for all this when he gave a moving address to the Oxford Union some 9 years ago. It tells the story of his young life in Luton. This video will give much of the background one might need to understand what is going on in English politics now, and why Elon Musk has raised his voice.

    Tommy is currently serving time in jail.

    1. No. This person almost screwed up a trial and let these people off. He’s a toxic human being and is where he should be.

  26. As usual, feminists have been fighting these crimes against humanity for years and no one listened.

    These gangs also rape adult women. I know a woman who survived a gang rape by several of these men. The police refused to investigate and called her a racist. Even the local rape crisis center accused her of racism and banned her from their services.

    Yes, women whose job is supporting other women kicked a rape survivor out for correctly describing her rapists. I wonder what she can do now that FINALLY this horror has been exposed.

    1. No matter how bad you think the situation is, the truth is worse. In at least one case, a father tried to save his daughter from the gangs. Predictably, the police intervened on behalf of the rapists. See “Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal” (Wikipedia). Quote

      “In some instances, fathers who had tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused were themselves arrested by police.”

    1. Mike, I can’t access the article.
      Can you explain the balanced perspective?
      My initial thought is that if Musk’s attention brings about change that results in positive change resulting in fewer victims that this is a good thing, even if that attention is demagogic in nature. I do worry about him blindly trumpeting any false claims that may exist, as that gives ammo to the defenders of the child rapists and could hurt any cases brought by the prosecution.
      But if I’m missing something I’d like to be better informed.

      1. Musk wants the mini-fascist (pseudonym) Tommy Robinson released. He’s a bloody criminal. The Brits should tell Musk to eff off (I’m a joint UK/US citizen so I claim my right to tell him to eff off twice).

      2. There’s an archived copy here, Darryl: https://archive.is/CY1Mx

        (You can paste the web address of many paywalled articles into the box at the archive.is website and press the Save button. If there’s already an archived copy it will find it straightaway and if there isn’t it will create one for you.)

  28. Reason magazine has a good article on this. See “How Political Correctness Aided and Abetted Sex Crimes in England”. Quote

    “The left-leaning Labour-run local council in Rotherham was so hamstrung by P.C., so riven with what the U.K. Home Secretary Theresa May has called “institutionalised political correctness,” that it was reluctant to investigate or talk openly about the Pakistani men’s sex crimes for fear of appearing racist and demeaning an ethnic minority.”

    1. Here’s where I get struck by the illogical nature of what we call wokism (for lack of a better word in my vocabulary): By ignoring the crimes of an ethnic minority aren’t we actually saying that members of the group cannot be held to the same standards of the rest of society because they are too stupid and backward to understand that this is a crime? Isn’t this kind of thinking much more racist than expecting every individual, regardless of race, color, or creed to be held to the same standard under the law?

      In other words, those who are white can understand basic human decency, but those of other color skin are just animals who we can never expect to meet that standard. This sounds like something that we’d hear in the southern US during the time of slavery, or something out of the KKK handbook.

      2. I think a lot of this cognitive dissonance is solved by compartmentalization, aided by a capacity to make inapplicable analogies.
        If a privileged person commits a crime, they can be judged for that. If an oppressed person commits a crime, however — new rules. We remember 1) times when an aggressor insensitivity or cruelly ignored the fact that other people had their own way of doing things and 2) extreme conditions where the crime might be justified and 3) judicial overreach or police brutality. Now roll that all together into an analogy for what just happened and don’t think too hard about it.

  29. Bearing in mind that over recent years two British MPs have been murdered just for doing their jobs, just listen to this Newsnight interview with Labour MP Jess Philips:

    Hope you guys in the States can get to watch.

    Nuffin else to be said. Is there?

    1. From the conclusion of the linked article:

      Musk has already toppled the US government by inciting racial tensions and spreading conspiracy theories.

      Really?

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