CfI podcast on accommodationism

October 12, 2010 • 5:01 am

The 50-minute Center for Inquiry podcast on accommodationism between Chris Mooney and P. Z. Myers, theoretically moderated by Jennifer Michael Hecht, is now available (click on upper right at the link). It’s actually not bad—save for the moderator’s interruptions—so you should ignore P.Z.’s advice to skip the piece.

Unfortunately, Hecht is totally annoying and self-promoting (in the panel discussion in L.A., which she was also supposed to moderate, she was equally self-promoting, constantly touting her books).  A moderator’s role is to keep the discussion on topic or flowing in productive directions, as well as asking good questions, but Hecht simply acts as a discussant, and not a very good one at that. Her statements are time-wasting digressions.  And, as P.Z. noted, she joins with Mooney in an attempted pile-on, decrying the counterproductive stridency of Gnu Atheism.  I say “attempted” because it’s not successful.  P.Z. does a good job, while Mooney is pretty much what we’ve come to expect. It may be germane that Hecht, like Mooney, had Templeton funding; she was a Templeton Research Fellow in 2008).

Start at 20 minutes in if you want the meat.  There’s a particularly good bit starting at 47:20.

Peregrinations: Kentucky

October 11, 2010 • 3:04 pm

I’m off tomorrow afternoon to give two talks at The University of Kentucky (Lexington).  Both will be on Wednesday: there’s a scientific talk on our speciation research at noon, and an evening talk and book-signing, open to the public, on the evidence for evolution (with some atheism thrown in).  If you’re in the area, drop by.

Besides the local biology, I’m hoping to sample fried chicken, the famous Hot Brown, and some bourbon. I’m even going to a horse race.

The estimable Drs. Mayer and Cobb will, I hope, fill in if they have time.  Matthew’s working up posts on dinosaur ornamentation and cats’ eyes, and Greg’s doing his take on the Kitcher piece, with a Darwinian slant.

The Gnu Atheist symbol

October 11, 2010 • 2:21 pm

We all know—and some of us wear proudly—the red script “A” for “atheist.”  But here’s a Gnu one: the symbol of Gnu Atheism, apparently invented by Aratina Cage, Molly Award winner and commenter on this site, too.

I declare it official.

And let’s not forget that “gnu” is the older name for “wildebeest,” which comes in two species: black and blue. Both are famed for their godlessness and tenacity.

USA Today strikes back

October 11, 2010 • 12:48 pm

Ahh. . . .they couldn’t let me be.  On USA Today’s “Faith and Reason” blog—an oxymoronical name if there ever was one—writer Cathy Grossman has a poorly written critique with a poorly written title, “Scientist: Faith in God is superstition like leprechauns.”  It includes a photo of fake leprechauns. Grossman even trots out her derringer: a recent USA Today post on the “common spiritual ground of awe at creation, proposed in a Forum essay last month by Chris Mooney.”

But what Grossman seems to hate most of all is the totally appropriate equation of belief in God with belief in leprechauns.  I defy Ms. Grossman to tell me why there’s any difference, save that more people believe in God and that there’s an enormous theological edifice constructed on that particular unevidenced belief. And she seems to have bought into the Mooney-ian myth that our getting all verklempt at good music or sunrises is pretty much the same as believing in sky-fairies and talking snakes:

Coyne argues we must clear vision from the fog of belief and religious structures that nourish communities of faith. No common awe for the dazzling sunrise here. He loathes gray areas (i.e. fog) and insists on the black-and-white view that religion is a force for the awful, unlike science’s force for the good.

Does your gray matter —i.e. your brain—see more shading to all this?

Nope. Crikey, does this woman get paid to write stuff like this?

UPDATE: As the commenters point out, Grossman was a Knight-Templeton Journalism Fellow, in the same class as Mooney (check out the publications that the Fellows choose to use on their Templeton page).

Can there be evidence for God?

October 11, 2010 • 7:25 am

Two days ago at Pharyngula, P. Z. Myers asserted that there was no evidence that could ever convince him that a God exists. (He was commenting on an earlier piece by Steve Zara at the Dawkins website that argued the same thing.)  P.Z. sez:

The nature of this god is always vague and undefined and most annoyingly, plastic — suggest a test and it is always redefined safely away from the risk. Furthermore, any evidence of a deity will be natural, repeatable, measurable, and even observable…properties which god is exempted from by the believers’ own definitions, so there can be no evidence for it. And any being who did suddenly manifest in some way — a 900 foot tall Jesus, for instance — would not fit any existing theology, so such a creature would not fit the claims of any religion, but the existence of any phenomenon that science cannot explain would not discomfit science at all, since we know there is much we don’t understand already, and adding one more mystery to the multitude will not faze us in the slightest.

So yes, I agree. There is no valid god hypothesis, so there can be no god evidence, so let’s stop pretending the believers have a shot at persuading us.

I’m not “pretending,” and I’m not really on board with P.Z. on this issue.  Both Greta Christina and I have written about what sort of evidence would convince us of the existence of a divine celestial being.  But maybe P.Z. is a tougher nut to crack.  So here’s a challenge to him:

Suppose that you, P.Z., were present at the following events, and they were also witnessed by lots of other skeptical eyewitnesses and, importantly, documented on film:  A bright light appears in the heavens and, supported by wingéd angels, a being clad in white robe and sandals descends onto the UMM quad from the sky, accompanied by a pack of apostles with the same names given in the Bible.  Loud heavenly music is heard everywhere, with the blaring of trumps.  The being, who describes himself as Jesus, puts his hand atop your head, P.Z., and suddenly your arms are turned into tentacles.  As you flail about with your new appendages, Jesus asks, “Now do you believe in me?” Another touch on the head and the tentacles disappear and your arms return.  Jesus and his pack then repair to the Mayo clinic and, also on film, heal a bunch of amputees (who remain permanently arméd and leggéd after Jesus’s departure).  After a while Jesus and his minions, supported by angels, ascend back into the sky with another chorus of music.  The heavens swiftly darken, there is thunder, and a single  lightning bolt strikes P.Z.’s front yard. Then, just as suddenly, the heavens clear.

Now you can say that this is just a big magic stunt, but there’s a lot of documentation—all those healed amputees, for instance.  Even using Hume’s criterion, isn’t it more parsimonious to say that there’s a God (and a Christian one, given the presence of Jesus!) rather than to assert that it was all an elaborate, hard-to-fathom magic trick or the concatenation of many enigmatic natural forces?

And your evidence-based conversion to God need not be permanent, either.  Since scientific truth is provisional, why not this “scientific” truth about God as well? Why not say that, until we find evidence that what just happened was a natural phenomenon, or a gigantic ruse, we provisionally accept the presence of a God?

This scenario is jocular, of course, but the point is serious—is there no evidence of any sort or variety that would convince you that God exists?

UPDATE: I knew the stuff about aliens would surface, but let’s be a bit more constructive here.  If there’s any evidence that would convince you of God, please describe it.  If there’s none, and you could never be convinced by anything that there’s a powerful supernatural being, or anything that’s reasonably God-like, do say so.

My USA Today op-ed: Science and religion aren’t friends

October 10, 2010 • 3:19 pm

I got tired of Uncle Karl and those of his ilk filling the pages of USA Today with accommodationist tripe, so I wrote my own op-ed: “Science and religion aren’t friends.” It’s up now though it’ll appear in the paper tomorrow (Monday).  It pulls no punches.

The fact that I can even write a 1200-word piece on this topic and have it published in such a widely-read venue is a testament to the success of Gnu Atheism.

UPDATE: The piece appears to be one of the 5 most popular on the site today (Brett Favre’s peccadilloes are in the lead).  That’s further testimony to the societal change produced by Gnu Atheists.  The piece, after all, was written on the shoulders of giants: Harris, Hitchens, Dennett, and Dawkins, who softened up society for body blows like this.  I’ve also had a look at the comments, which are surprisingly heartening,—further testimony to the presence of a large but normally silent group of American atheists.

L. A. Times report on the Secular Humanism conference

October 10, 2010 • 11:10 am

Today’s L. A. Times reports on the big humanism meetings, and the opening doesn’t augur well for objective journalism:

As the largest organization of American atheists, agnostics and other religious skeptics gathered in Los Angeles this weekend, there was a predictable amount of scorn heaped on Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Religion was dismissed as “nonsense” and “superstition”; those who believe were described variously as “ignorant” and “stupid.”

Things get better, though, and the article cites these as “good days, generally speaking, for the nonreligious.”  All the big guns get a mention, and they cite my favorite moment of everything I watched:

When Mooney, a leading voice for accommodation, said there was nothing to stop a nonreligious person from being spiritual, Myers’ reaction was nearly physical. “Whenever we start talking about spirituality,” he said, “I just want to puke.”

Agreed!  How can Mooney, The Great Communicator, think that if atheist accommodationists and atheist non-accommodationists both emphasize their common spirituality, everything will magically improve and the faithful will suddenly come to Darwinism? Once again I must pull out my favorite Orwell quote: “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”