Giles Fraser tries to pwn Stephen Fry by telling us what god is *really* like

February 4, 2015 • 1:24 pm

Do you want some Sophisticated Theology™ today? I thought not. But I have some new theology right here, and boy, is it sophisticated!

First you’ll have to recall (or watch) the Stephen Fry video in which, asked by interviewer Gay Byrne what he’d say if he met God, Fry (an atheist) answered that he’d query God about the pervasiveness of evil in the world (see my post here, or watch the video below). Why, he’d ask, do innocent children die of leukemia? In other words, Fry, assuming that God had some control over the existence and nature of bad stuff on Earth, would ask God for the truths that theodicy has been seeking for millennia.

Well, the Guardian has published a piece in which Giles Fraser rebukes Fry and rejects the kind of God that Fry envisions. The piece is called, “I don’t believe in the God that Stephen Fry believes in, either,” and the odd thing is that the writer who rejects Fry’s God is Giles Fraser, who happens to be not only a journalist, but the priest in charge at St Mary’s Newington in south London and the former canon chancellor of St Paul’s Cathedral. In other words, he’s an Anglican bigwig.

So what, according to Fraser, were Fry’s big mistakes? There were two:

1. God doesn’t have that kind of power. He has, instead, the Power of Love! But how can God be powerless? Because, says Fraser, Jesus was powerless. Fraser:

Too many religious people actually worship power. They imagine the source of ultimate power, give it a name (God, Allah, Yahweh) etc, and then try and cosy up to it, aligning their interests with those of the boss. . .  the temptation is always to suck up to power.

This is why the Jesus story is, for me, the most theologically revolutionary story that there can be. Because it imagines God and power separated. God as a baby. God poor. God helpless on a cross. God with a mocking and ironic crown of thorns. In these scenes it is Caesar who has the power. And so the question posed is: which one will you follow when push comes to shove? You can follow what is right and get strung up for it. Or you can cosy up to power and do as you are told. By saying that he will stare ultimate power in the face and, without fear, call it by its real name, Fry has indicated he is on the side of the angels (even though he does not believe in them). Indeed, Fry is following in a long tradition of religious polemic, from Job to Blake and beyond.

Umm. . . .the last thing I heard, Anglicans—like their Catholic-Church ancestors—accepted the Trinity. That makes Jesus part of the Godhead, i.e., one with power!  And you are saved through your faith in Jesus. Is that power or what?

More important, Fry wasn’t asked to address Jesus, but to address God, or rather the part of the Trinity called God. And nobody doubts that God has power. Or, if Fraser is claiming that God simply can’t do anything beyond emitting Endless Love from above, let him be explicit about that.

What we see in the paragraphs above is simply a word salad that evades the big question: can God do anything about evil or not? And if he can, why doesn’t he? But Fraser goes on:

2. There is no such thing as the God that Fry imagines. That’s right—Fraser says so explicitly:

The other problem with Fry’s argument is philosophical. Simply put: there is no such thing as the God he imagines. It is the flying teapot orbiting a distant planet about which nothing can be said. Such a God doesn’t exist. Nilch. Nada. It’s a nonsense. Indeed, as no less an authority than Thomas Aquinas rightly insists, existence itself is a questionable predicate to use of God. For God is the story of human dreams and fears. God is the shape we try to make of our lives. God is the name of the respect we owe the planet. God is the poetry of our lives. Of course this is real. Frighteningly real. Real enough to live and die for even. But this is not the same as saying that God is a command and control astronaut responsible for some wicked hunger game experiment on planet earth. Such a being does not exist. And for the precisely the reasons Fry expounds, thank God for that.

Well, that settles that!  It’s comforting to know that at one human on this planet—Giles Fraser—knows exactly what kind of God there is. God isn’t a disembodied spirit with humanlike qualities, as many other Anglicans wrongly believe. No, he is a God who is really just the name that we give to our hopes and dreams and fears. But—he’s also REAL!

Of course Fraser cites Aquinas, who really did believe that God existed as a spirit with humanlike traits and could punish and reward people. And, indeed, no less an authority THAN NEARLY EVERY DAMN CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIAN IN THE UNIVERSE thinks that God does indeed have the power to punish and reward people—that he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. If that weren’t the case, we wouldn’t even have the Problem of Evil and the discipline of theodicy that it spawned. But apparently only Fraser and possibly Aquinas knows that the three-O God doesn’t exist.

I guess I’m sounding a bit grouchy, what with the capslock and all, but this kind of pronouncement angers me. How the hell does Fraser know what kind of God there is? What gives him the authority to pronounce that Fry’s God is a phantasm? How does he know what he claims to know?

Fraser, in fact, shouldn’t be addressing his remarks to Fry. He should be addressing them to all his Christian coreligionists—Protestant, Anglican and Catholic alike—letting them know that all of them are wrong about God.

h/t: Lenny

Darwin Day 2015 at the Dinosaur Discovery Museum in Kenosha, Wisconsin (and at the University of Southern Mississippi)

February 4, 2015 • 11:32 am

by Greg Mayer (and Professor Ceiling Cat):

Darwin Day, Feb. 12, is fast approaching, so start making your plans now. The Dinosaur Discovery Museum in Kenosha, Wisconsin will be holding its event this coming Saturday, February 7, from noon to 5 PM.

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There will be educational displays (including live herps), activities for children, videos about evolution from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, and Chris Noto and I will each be giving public lectures during the afternoon. Chris’s talk will be on  “What the Fossil Record Tells Us About Evolution”, while I’ll be speaking on “How Evolution Works”.  My talk is at 1 PM, Chris’s at 3 PM; each should be about 30 min.

If you’re in southeastern Wisconsin or northeastern Illinois, come by to join the festivities!

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Professor Ceiling Cat will be lecturing on Darwin Day in the Deep South, my favorite place to spread the gospel. I’ll be talking about the evidence for evolution and the religious pushback against it, at the University of Southern Mississippi on February 13 (announcement here). There will be books on sale, and the good Professor will sign them; if you say “Felis silvestris lybica” (the wild ancestor of the house cat), you’ll get a cat drawn in your book.

I was going to combine this with an eating trip to nearby New Orleans, but discovered to my horror that that’s during Mardi Gras, an awful time to be nomming in The Big Easy. However, I’m told that Hattiesburg, Mississippi has two world-class barbecue joints. Stay tuned.

Jesus ‘n’ Mo ‘n’ the harvest

February 4, 2015 • 10:35 am

Today’s Jesus and Mo strip, called “pick,” deals with a problem that I’ve written many words about: the selective use of scripture to either buttress your moral feelings or to distinguish the “real” from the “metaphorical.” But the artist’s advantage is the ability to convey exactly the same idea in four panels and a few words. Kudos to him/her:

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A new paper claims that evolution has stopped in a bacterial species. Is it true?

February 4, 2015 • 8:59 am

Several readers called my attention to a new paper by J. William Schopf and colleagues in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (reference below; free download at link), a paper that has also gotten a great deal of attention in the press. Last week a journalist asked me to comment on it, but I was too busy then to read it. Now that I have, I’m not all that impressed. It’s a decent paper, and doesn’t fail the first test of a science paper—does it tell us something new?—but I don’t think it makes the case that’s gotten the press all excited.

What is that case? The authors claim that their finding—an example of extremely slow evolution (in fact, no perceptible evolution) in a sulfur-producing bacterium—constitutes a test of Darwin’s “null hypothesis of evolution.” That hypothesis, as stated by the authors, is this:

. . . if there is no change in the physical-biological environment of a well-adapted ecosystem, its biotic components should similarly remain unchanged.

In other words, if there’s no selection pressure on the organism, it will not evolve. The authors implicitly equate “change in the physical-biological environment of a well-adapted organism” with “selection pressure on that organism,” and hence with “evolution of that organism,” but that’s not correct. I’ll talk more about this below, but for the time being try to guess how organisms could still continue to evolve in a relatively unchanging environment. Let’s look first at the author’s data, which, they claim, shows no evolution taking place in more than two billion years.

What Schopf et al. did, which is good stuff, is to examine bacterial microfossils in two ancient Precambrian biota and then compare them with modern fossils living in a similar environment. They were concerned with sulfur-using bacteria living on the ocean floor. The oldest formation examined was the “Turee Creek Group Kazput Formation” in northern Australia, a formation that’s ancient—about 2.3 billion years old. That’s old, but it doesn’t take the prize for age, for the oldest known bacteria (cyanobacteria, formerly known as “blue-green algae”) come from about 3.5 billion years ago.

The second group of fossil sulfur-metabolizing bacteria are about 500 million years younger than those from Turee Creek: they’re from the 1.8-billion-year-old Duck Creek formation, also in Western Australia. So we have about 500 million years of potential evolutionary change intervening between the two fossil formations.

Finally, the authors compared fossil bacteria from these two formations with sulfur bacteria that are still with us: a community of sulfur-using bacteria discovered in 2007 in the seafloor off the west coast of South America. All of these bacteria are presumed or known to use marine sulfur compounds, first reducing them to hydrogen sulfide and then oxidizing them to produce elemental sulfur and sulfur dioxide.

So what are the similarities among these three types of bacteria that led the authors to suggest that they hadn’t evolved over 2.3 billion years? There are three. First, all three bacteria lived in communities not in shallow water, but in the sea floor in deeper waters. Paleontologists have ways of telling this, and you can read the paper if you want to know how.

Second, they all have similar morphology, forming long filaments of about the same size. Here is what they look like; the figures show both the ancient bacteria from both formations and the modern collection (“A”). They form long, cylindrical filaments of comparable size

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Third, chemical analysis of the matrix around the fossil bacteria, and of the modern ones, showed that they all lived or live in anoxic (“oxygen free”) communities, produce the same sulfur isotopes, and yield a form of pyrite as a metabolic product. The authors conclude, probably correctly, that the metabolic pathways for sulfur use in all of these forms are similar

So have they remained evolutionarily static, as the authors argue? First, let’s review their claim about these bacteria:

Once subseafloor sulfur-cycling microbial communities had become established, however, there appears to have been little or no stimulus for them to adapt to changing conditions. In their morphology and community structure, such colorless sulfur bacteria—inhabitants of relatively cold physically quiescent anoxic sediments devoid of light-derived diel [daily] signals and a setting that has persisted since early in Earth history—have exhibited an exceedingly long-term lack of discernable change consistent with their asexual reproduction.

They also claim that not only did the morphology and biochemistry of these species remain unchanged, but they didn’t form new species, either, although the concept of bacterial “species,” as Allen Orr and I showed in our book Speciation, is a bit hazy.

But I think the author’s conclusion is premature, and for two reasons.

First, regarding the “null hypothesis of Darwinism,” I think that that notion is wrong—or at least incomplete. Even in an unchanging environment, organisms can still evolve in significant ways.  If new mutations arise that adapt the species better to that unchanging environment, then we will have evolution. For example, the bacteria could evolve more efficient metabolism of sulfur. Alternatively, one could have mutations that simply allow the bacteria to divide faster, giving them a selective advantage over others. Neither of these would be a response to a changing environment, but could still cause evolution. Considerable retooling of the bacteria’s metabolism, DNA synthesis, and so on, could still occur as evolution experiments with various mutations.

There is in fact one natural experiment that showed evolutionary divergence in an unchanging environment. There are salmon in some West Coast rivers (pink salmon, as I recall), that form “year classes”: they have a two-year life cycle and come into the same rivers from the sea to breed. They are basically the same species of salmon, but long ago a few stragglers switched form breeding in “even” years to breeding in “odd” years. Since the breeding seasons of the two classes don’t overlap, they became instantly reproductively isolated from each other in a unique way: they couldn’t interbreed, but at the moment the year divergence began they were genetically identical; and they continued to live in essentially the same environment. Yet over thousands of years the even- and odd-year forms have diverged, to the extent that they are somewhat reproductively incompatible when bred together—the beginning of speciation. This shows that a eukaryotic species living in very similar environments can still diverge genetically, and begin the process of forming new species.

Second (and the authors note this in passing), there could be considerable internal biochemical evolution taking place that can’t be detected from simply looking at the fossil bacteria or seeing if they metabolized sulfur in similar ways. After all, bacteria are morphologically simple, and there’s simply not that much room for visible change, especially if you’re constrained to look at fossil bacteria in rocks. And it’s impossible to sequence the DNA of the fossil bacteria or grow them in the lab, so we can’t see how genetically and metabolically different they are.

This is not just a theoretical possibility, for biologists are well familiar with this phenomenon. We know of many cases of “sibling species”: distinct species of closely-related organisms that can’t be told apart through morphology alone, but have diverged considerably in their non-visible characters. For example, I worked on a group of 8 Drosophila species in which females couldn’t be told apart by just looking at them, even under the microscope. (Males differed very slightly in their genitalia). Yet despite their morphological conservatism, the species diverged profoundly in ecology and in their reproductive compatibility: they don’t like to mate with members of the other species, and in many cases the inter-species hybrids were either inviable or sterile.  Genetic analysis showed considerable divergence in the DNA, including in important traits affecting reproduction. The problem is even more severe if you are constrained to look at fossils, in which only the hard parts become mineralized. Important differences in softer parts that could reflect genetic change (granted, not that much of a problem in bacteria) could be missed.

The lesson is that it’s dangerous to use fossils—even bacterial fossils—to conclude that evolution hasn’t occurred.  And the “null hypothesis of Darwinism” is a bit dubious anyway. Yes, species probably change most rapidly when the environment is changing, but there’s no reason why environmental change is a sine qua non for evolution.

The paper by Schopf et al. does show an intriguing case of morphological and metabolic stasis over billions of years, and it probably does reflect a lack of environmental change. But what it doesn’t show is that evolution hasn’t occurred in these bacteria. To know that, we’d have to have them all alive to sequence their DNA and look at their physiology, reproduction, and so on—and that’s impossible for the fossil species.
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Schopf, J. W., A. B. Kudryavtsev, M. R. Walter, M. J. Van Kranendonk, K. H. Williford, R. Kozdon, J. W. Valley, V. A. Gallardo, C. Espinoza, and D. T. Flannery. 2015. Sulfur-cycling fossil bacteria from the 1.8-Ga Duck Creek Formation provide promising evidence of evolution’s null hypothesis. Proc Nat. Acad. Sci. USA, online Early Edition. 10.1073/pnas.1419241112.

Readers’ wildlife photographs

February 4, 2015 • 7:30 am

I have a comfortable backlog of photos now, but by all means send in yours—if they’re good. It may take a while before the good ones appear, but appear they will.

Some readers have asked how to reach me with their photos. It’s not hard if you simply Google my name and university; my university webpage and email address will come up quickly.

Today we have the second batch of great bird photos sent by Colin Franks of Colin Franks Photography in Victoria, British Columbia (website here, Facebook page here).

Barn Owl  (Tyto alba):

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 Snowy Owl (Bubo scandiacus):

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 Red Winged Blackbird  (Agelaius phoeniceus):

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 Sandhill Crane (Grus canadensis):

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 Bonaparte’s Gull (Chroicocephalus philadelphia):

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 Ring Necked Duck (Aythya collaris):

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Male and female Wood Duck (Aix sponsa); look at that sexual dimorphism!:

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 Steller’s Jay (often erroneously called a “Blue Jay”; Cyanocitta stelleri) [JAC: note that the peanut is in mid-air]:

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I shot this Red Tailed Hawk (Buteo jamaicensis) on Saturday in the rain.

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Wednesday: Hili dialogue

February 4, 2015 • 4:54 am

It is Hump Day, and I dare not look out the window to see how much new snow fell last night. It’s a trudge to work, for the streets still aren’t plowed (nor are most of the sidewalks), and so it’s actually a physical effort to do my usual 11-minute walk, which now takes twice as long as I climb over drifts and try to keep myself upright. First World problem! Meanwhile in Dobrzyn, I have no idea what is going on:

Hili: I think you will have to bark.
Cyrus: Why?
Hili: Mere words won’t move them.

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In Polish:
Hili: Chyba musisz szczeknąć.
Cyrus: Dlaczego?
Hili: Bo samym słowem ich się nie ruszy.

Affronted groundhog bites mayor for forcing him to make rodential weather prediction

February 3, 2015 • 4:30 pm

It’s about damn time! Groundhogs are regularly abused and mishandled all over the U.S. on February 2 in the annual ritual of Groundhog Day. But Jimmy the Groundhog in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin, got his revenge on behalf of all rodentdom. As WISC.tv reports:

Just as Sun Prairie Mayor Jonathan Freund, leaned in to hear Jimmy’s prediction, he was bitten in the ear by the groundhog. He then declared Jimmy didn’t see his shadow and there would be an early spring.

One of Jimmy’s caretakers, Jerry Hahn, told News 3 the mayor may have misinterpreted Jimmy, and there would be six more weeks of winter. Hahn added this was Mayor Freund’s first time participating, which could have added to the confusion.

This is like theology: they already had their conclusion, and simply made up stuff to confirm it. It’s rodentsplaining!

End-of-Tuesday cats

February 3, 2015 • 3:45 pm

I don’t like Tuesdays, though given my schedule there’s no reason why I should dislike them more than any other day. But I’ll lift my spirits by showing a cat picture and a cat cartoon.

First is a picture I got from Matthew in an email titled “Cat peace.” It shows his new kitten (Harry) finally getting along with the “senior” cats Ollie and Pepper:

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And here is a good cartoon I found on Facebook; it appears to be by Australian cartoonist Tim Whyatt:

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