On Wednesday, in the Italian city of Rieti, a 31-year-old nun experienced severe stomach pains, and went to the hospital. A few hours later she gave birth to a healthy baby boy.
As the Torygraph reports:
The discovery of her pregnancy has embarrassed the Catholic Church in Italy, with the local bishop saying that she will have to leave her convent in Rieti, north of Rome, after breaking her vow of chastity.
“It would be preferable that she now lead a secular life with her baby, away from religious institutions,” said a spokesman for Delio Lucarelli, bishop of Rieti.
The nun, who is from El Salvador, had kept her pregnancy a secret and even as she was being taken to hospital in an ambulance denied that she could be pregnant.
“It’s not possible, I’m a nun,” she told doctors, according to the Italian press.
The nun, who has not been named, had been working in an old people’s home attached to the Campomoro convent near Rieti. She was a member of the Little Disciples of Jesus order.
The convent’s mother superior, Sister Erminia, said: “It seems she was not able to resist temptation.”
The kicker in all this is what she’s calling the kid:
She named the baby boy, who weighed 7.7lbs, Francesco – apparently in tribute to Pope Francis.
What is telling is that the Church isn’t willing to see this as a miracle. After all, the nun is married to Jesus, and made the implicit claim that she was chaste. If DNA tests don’t turn up a human father, why couldn’t this be the first miracle in the inevitable canonization of Pope Francis?
It seems to me that this is really an advance in rationality, even in the Church: the immediate assumption that that was not a miracle but an unchaste nun, and the Church’s stand that she will have to leave her order because she must have copulated with a human. If that’s the case, why couldn’t you say the same for the “Virgin” Mary?
h/t: Kevin
oh boy!!!
wow! she named the baby “Francesco”; does that mean the pope is the father?
“Immaculate Conception II : He’s B-a-a-a-ck!”
Take that, atheists!
Except that Immaculate Conception refers to Mary’s being conceived free of original sin, not the conception of Jesus in Mary’s womb courtesy of the Holy Ghost.
Haunted Womb – The Messiah Part II. Starring the Holy Ghost.
Coming soon?
In 3D & IMAX.
A haunted womb in IMAX? Not sure I want to see that.
Starring God as Himself, Jesus as Himself, and the Holy Ghost as Himself. A one man play!
+1
…er, and another +1…and we still only seem to be at one….
b&
Or all parts played by Morgan Freeman
Rumor says this was uttered at conception:
“Oh, Myself!”
Proof enough!?
Hahaha!
+2
All this relies on God knowing in advance the virgin’s Mary’s destiny. It’s fortunate then that noone exerted their libertarian free will to contravert his plans.
Ah. This is then proof that God is omniscient.
Or promiscuous.
Shouldn’t that be ominpromiscuous? God’s promiscuousness would have to be the greatest of which no greater could be conceived.
I’m saying all the things that I know you’ll like
Making good conversation
I gotta handle you just right
You know what I mean
I took you to an intimate restaurant
Then to a suggestive movie
There’s nothing left to talk about
Unless it’s horizontally
Let’s get metaphysical, metaphysical
I wanna get metaphysical
Let’s get into metaphysical
Let me hear your substance talk, your substance talk
Let me hear your substance talk….
Hey, god can’t be omnipromiscuous, I for one said “no!” 😉
I mean he IS coming back, right, so how do we know this isn’t Him? The Antichrist IS in the White House, after all, so why not?
I think a better label would be “Virgin Birth II”. Immaculate Conception wasn’t exactly fatherless. 🙂
I didn’t see any particularly significant stars in the sky last Wednesday. If this is the Messiah, then it’s a ‘stealth’ one…
Are those more powerful than the regular kind?
On behalf of Betelgeuse I’m shocked. 😉
Baby Francesco is not the messiah. He’s a very naughty boy.
:^)
More like the nun is a very naughty girl.
I didn’t see any particularly significant stars in the sky last Wednesday. If this is the Messiah, then it’s a ‘stealth’ one…
I’m betting on missionary style.
In fact I’m all in.
(Okay I’ll shut up now.)
Seems like the Catholic Church is coming to an agreement with the late Christopher Hitchens who quoted David Hume:
mink or minx?
There was just the one.
LOL!
Maybe the father is a Father – one of those hot priests from the calendar. 🙂
Funny how they boot out this woman from the church for getting pregnant, but all those rapist priests just got moved around. Well some were defrocked but many were moved around after lots of excuses from the church & cover ups.
The Catholic church is guilty of hypocrisy? I’m shocked! That said, many more priests were defrocked in the last two years than in the previous two, so I think they are getting the message (the message in this case being that more and more diocese are going to face bankruptcy unless they start to clean up their act).
Hypocrisy & sexism. I know. You probably just fell on a fainting couch now! 🙂
There’s a small difference. Last time I checked, raping a child was a crime. Getting pregnant isn’t.
In Vatican City?
They deal in sins rather than crimes.
I kind of feel sorry for her as much as I want to shake her. This is an adult female behaving like an imbecile in an attempt to deny the obvious. This is just one of the results of the Catholic Church’s freakishly unsavory attitudes to sex.
And now she’s in charge of raising a child.
Or worse, imagine if she really didn’t know how she got pregnant. The church doesn’t like to teach these things so who knows. That would be scarier than the delusion even!
There’s a very specific technical term to refer to people who insist that their own children should only receive abstinence-only sex education (if any).
That term, of course, is, “grandparent.”
Cheers,
b&
Somewhere there’s an angel with a big smug cheesy grin on his face…
It is awful.
It is also telling on religion, if it draws the most dysfunctional people and practices in a dysfunctional society. It a “sects, shrugs and fuck-them-all” life.
We were told that Pope Francis was sneaking out of the Vatican at night to visit the soup kitchens and the poor, now we know where he might have really went!
How to get a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an altar boy.
I don’t think you quite have the mechanics down correctly yet.
The was a young nunn from Od
who wanted a baby from God
T’was not the Almighty
that went up her nighty
but thew Vicar the dirty ol’ sod!
OK, it is on.
Q: How do you get rid of a nun’s hiccups???
A: Tell her she’s pregnant!!!
Sister Catherine is asking all the Catholic school children in fourth grade what they want to be when they grow up. Little Sheila says: “When I grow up, I want to be a prostitute!”
Sister Catherine’s eyes
grow wide and she barks: “What the did you say?”
“A prostitute!” Sheila repeats. Sister Catherine breathes a sight of relief and says: “Thank God! I thought you said a Protestant”
The Bible alludes to Jesus’s brother James. Did James have children? Did Jesus have other siblings who had children? I ask because it just occurs to me that (if there had ever been a divine Jesus) Mary’s grandchildren — if she had any — were nieces/nephews blood-related to Jesus, as are all issue in the lineage. That would be a lot of cousins, many times removed of course, running around hither and yon right now.
I don’t recall ever hearing about any claims by someone that Mary or one of her kids is an ancestor. (Sheesh, I’ve never heard one word about the fate of the lot of the Joseph/Mary clan following the crucifixion-not.
You’d think that those relatives would have made this family lineage business into one hell a great big deal nlt than 4th century BCE all the way through to the present. Or maybe I’ve just managed to miss out on this and it is long settled?
Perhaps there are no descendants because Jesus and James and Mary are all fictional characters.
What?!!!! No way.
Well, that’s a theory I have, anyway.
According to Geni (one of the best genealogy websites), Jesus of Nazareth is my 55th great uncle, and the Blessed Virgin Mary is my 55th great grandmother via her son Saint Jude who is my 54th great grandfather. Honest, I am not kidding. Yes, you may kiss my halo and bow to me! 😀
This is the lineage, “your” being my. Note that there is a handful of fictional characters in that lineage:
Ariadna Nikolaievna Narishkina, née Countess Mouraviova
your mother
→
Count Nikolai Leonidovich Mouraviov
her father
→
Софья Николаевна Муравьева
his mother
→
Nikolai Nikolayevich Orzhitsky
her father
→
Александра Васильевна Деденева
his mother
→
Александра Федоровна Разумовская
her mother
→
Alexandra Mikhaïlovna Comtesse Sheremetyeva
her mother
→
Mihail (Михаил Борисович) Cheremetev (гр. Шереметев)
her father
→
Евдокия Алексеевна Чирикова
his mother
→
Féodossia Pavlovna Somoff Чирикова
her mother
→
Princesse Maria Vassilievna Vériguine-Volkonsky
her mother
→
Princesse ….Féodorovna Volkonsky
her mother
→
Prince Féodor Konstantinovich Volkonsky
her father
→
Константин Романович Волконский
his father
→
Роман Александрович князь Волконский
his father
→
Prince Alexandre Ivanovitch Volkonsky (v 1450) prend le nom du fief
his father
→
Князь Иван Фёдорович Волконский
his father
→
Князь Фёдор Иванович Волконский
his father
→
Иван Юрьевич “Толстая Голова” кн. Волконский
his father
→
Prince Yury Mikhailovich of Torusa and Bryansk
his father
→
Princess Maria of Galicia
his mother
→
Предслава Рюриковна
her mother
→
Анна Юрьевна
her mother
→
Юрий Ярославич, князь Туровский
her father
→
Юдит-Мария?
his mother
→
Judith Maria ►Sophia Salien von Schwaben, magyar királyné – Königin von Ungarn
her mother
→
Empress Agnes of Poitou
her mother
→
Guillaume ‘le Grand’ d’Aquitaine, III Comte de Poitou, V Duc d’Aquitaine
her father
→
Emma de Blois
his mother
→
Theobald I “le Tricheur” de Blois Count of Champagne
her father
→
Richilde de Bourges
his mother
→
Rothilde of the Franks
her mother
→
Richildis d’Ardennes, de Provence
her mother
→
Bivin, count & lay abbot of Gorze
her father
→
… d’Amiens
his mother
→
Richard I d’Amiens
her father
→
Waudbert VIII, count of Lommois
his father
→
Waudbert VII, count of Lommois
his father
→
Adeltrude de Hainaut
his mother
→
Saint Vincent Madelgarus, Comte de Hainault
her father
→
Madelgaire de Hainaut
his father
→
Amalberge de Hainaut
his mother
→
Wauthier de Hainaut
her father
→
Mathilde de Boulogne
his mother
→
Gania de Cornouaille
her mother
→
Uther Pendragon ap Custennyn, King of Britons
her father
→
Ivoire (Fictional)
his mother
→
Lancelot of Brittany (Fictional)
her father
→
Jonaans of Brittany (Fictional)
his father
→
Galains (Fictional)
his father
→
Nascien II (Fictional)
his father
→
Narpus (Fictional)
his father
→
Celedoine (Fictional)
his father
→
Nasciens I (Fictional)
his father
→
Elzasus (Fictional)
his father
→
Saint Jude
his father
→
Jesus of Nazareth
his brother
Blessed are the vierotchkas, for they shall literally inherit the kingdom of god.
I renounce that inheritance, the job is far too complicated!
….and the cheese makers.
Impressive! I don’t have any fictional characters in my ancestry.
I’m still holding on to the hope that I’m related to Iron Man.
Oh but you are, dear, no doubt about that! And you are a close cousin to the Iron Lady herself, Ms Thatcher… 😉
Proof positive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Woman
Yeah, I was more hoping for Tony Stark and his cool R8.
That’s because you haven’t gone back far enough. We’re talking about two thousand years here! 😀
Well hey, that’s the great thing about fictional ancestors. Just go ahead and invent yourself some!
James is described as “a brother of the lord”, which is consistent with it being a title (after all, some clergy are called “brothers” these days too), not a sibling.
The “siblings” bit is interesting – there are all sorts of Christian groups which have explicit views about them, even though they aren’t in the texts. (Even more apocryphal than apocrypha!)
So long as we’re on the subject of heresies, it’s well worth noting that the versions of Christianity that didn’t make the cut are particularly bizarre to modern senses, even though they’re in no way meaningfully different from orthodoxy.
For example, Marcion’s gospel opens with an adult Jesus beaming down from the heavens like Captain Kirk; and, for the Ophites, Jesus was some sort of a snake god.
All these cults have histories that stretch as close in time and place to the familiar Gospels as the Gospels themselves, so it’s not like any one of them has any better claim on authenticity other than the fact that the Fab Four were the ones that survived the political infighting.
Cheers,
b&
And then the Lord spake: Beam me up, Father!
…for there’s no intelligent life down here….
b&
“It would be preferable that she now lead a secular life with her baby, away from religious institutions,”
Truer words were never spoken, although I would substitute “she” with “everyone”.
Exactly my thoughts. Finally we found a common ground with a bishop.
You people are so skeptical! Hyperskeptics all.
We have a first person account that this nun, sworn servant of God, did not get pregnant in the common way. Surely she would know if any base activities had taken place! The other nuns are reported to have been surprised this happened, which clearly shows that no strange men had been sneaking around the convent. What more could you want in the way of evidence? Remember, she was there and you weren’t. The evidence is overwhelming, as I’m sure Wm. Lane Craig will agree. It must be another miraculous birth. No other interpretation is possible.
Furthermore, this proven modern miracle confirms the veracity of the Bible in its account of the Birth if Jesus. God can do this! Some skeptics have objected that the Bible account is insufficiently supported by “anonymous” sources and is too distant in time. The gospel authors are known with certainty to scholars and those of faith (Matthew, John, Luke, Ringo) so this attempt to subvert God’s Word was never valid. But this new miracle just happened recently and is being reported in all the newspapers of the world and both on reputable websites and disreputable blogs. No honest person can believe that this is not an act of God! He has come again!
Well argued. There was no way she could have gotten away with something like this on her own rickety, twin-sized convent bed.
I’m thinking it must have happened on the ground of being.
Sadly, there is the possibility she was raped while unconscious, perhaps after having been drugged. As far as not knowing she was pregnant, can we blame bad sex ed?
That’s certainly possible. We don’t know enough to understand what happened, but blaming the nun is certainly premature, at least from my POV. The Catholic Church apparently feels differently, and she’s their employee.
There have been several reported cases of women not realizing they were pregnant until very late in the process. Lack of medical care may be the biggest factor in that.
Now all that’s needed is to get 12 men to multiply attest to this immaculate conception.
And we’ll be off and running again for another 2,000 years.
There’s bound to be at least one strange man around the convent, the nuns need a priest to confess their sins to.
A little genetics is useful here. Reproduction without intercourse would produce a female baby in humans. This is the way of parthenogenesis.
God is above the laws of genetics, you infidel!
But this is a miraculous act of God, so anything could happen. Lucky it wasn’t a parrot.
Notice that Genesis is found in the word parthenogenesis.
QED
Game, sex, match, atheists!
And abiogenesis. Which means the Genesis story was founded on nothing more than spontaneity.
I don’t think the BVM was a nun,so this is a different situation.
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It sounds like the priest who seduced her told her she couldn’t get pregnant because she was a nun. Poor woman, she gets chucked out and the priest gets off scot-free.
Has it been established that a priest was involved? Even the skeptical Telegraph didn’t say anything about that, nor did another liberal article I read.
I’m still thinking it’s plainly the best authenticated miracle from God ever. In our time! Halle-loofah!
‘Ramen!
As Ms Spingies and Ms MacPherson, I too, am quite concerned re the sex – ed learnin’s by kiddos, by adolescents and, for that matter, by fully ‘ matured ’ adults … … if they are so thus “taught this” by papal – ly divinations !
Miss Nun indeed may NOT have known she was gonna whelp ! Let alone, how in Lucifer’s realm, er in hell … … aaaah, how in the hell, she found herself preggers in the first place !
After all … … in all of the media reports thus far — worldwide, I have not read at where she had had, during any trimester’s worth of this particular jebus – god’s gestation, … … that she had had a visit to inform her of same … … a visit from Gabe !
Ya’ know, from Luke’s [ 1 : 26 – 56 ] bro: from that Angel Gabriel, to let her know ! Ya’ know — ahead o’time ! The Wing – ed Dude who lets all o’us virgins know before The Bless – ed Event that: “we have found Favor” with THE Dude. Like he did w’the V – Mar !
Likewise as with Ms Spingies’ and Ms MacPherson’s concerns, my fear too — now ? Now: this person, Miss Nun, is in charge of raising up this child ! — W.h.o.a.
Blue
Fascinating…as always.
There are many worse starts for a baby than having a mom who was once a nun. Interesting stories to tell his own children, for sure. I wish a wise and secular upbringing for the guy.
Perhaps, if she leaves her religion behind her. But she probably won’t. She isn’t a nun any more, but she will still be a Catholic. And one who holds some exceedingly strange ideas if she thought for a second that living in denial would somehow magically void being pregnant.
She might decide to continue as a repentant sinner who teaches her child it is her “shame”. I hope she doesn’t, but so far all we have is naive and credulous statements from someone who is clearly subservient to her religion. I hope that life on the outside will be a positive experience for her.
But, wasn’t there supposed to be a flying chariot and some other Cecil B. DeMille long-shots first? Must be a different messiah. Oh well… Maybe next time.
“…the immediate assumption that that was not a miracle but an unchaste nun, and the Church’s stand that she will have to leave her order because she must have copulated with a human. If that’s the case, why couldn’t you say the same for the “Virgin” Mary?”
It’s totally different. Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant. It’s there, right in the name: The VIRGIN Mary.
On the other hand, this nun is obviously nothing but a slut.
It must have been a little awkward when Joseph first discovered Mary was pregnant. Unless of course he slept through that particular lecture in sex ed class.
Apparently, it went down something like this:
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http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/JosephMary.jpg
🙂
The Holy Ghost came and told him not to worry about it. I translated that passage when I was in school and what was interesting was the King James version said the spook came to him as a vision while the Greek clearly says it was in a dream.
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There should be DNA tests that include whoever was her Father Confessor nine months before the birth.
http://www.harrington-sites.com/terms.htm
Excerpt:
Isaiah’s original Hebrew, with the mistranslated words underscored, reads: “Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel”;-which, falsely translated by the false pen of the pious translators, runs thus in the English: “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. vii, 14.) The Hebrew words ha-almah mean simply the young woman; and harah is the Hebrew past or perfect tense, “conceived,” which in Hebrew, as in English, represents past and completed action. Honestly translated, the verse reads: “Behold, the young woman has conceived-[is with child)-and beareth a son and calleth his name Immanuel.”
Almah means simply a young woman, of marriageable age, whether married or not, or a virgin or not; in a broad general sense exactly like girl or maid in English, when we say shop-girl, parlor-maid, bar-maid, without reference to or vouching for her technical virginity, which, in Hebrew, is always expressed by the word bethulah. But in the Septuagint translation into Greek, the Hebrew almah was erroneously rendered into the Greek parthenos, virgin, with the definite article ‘ha’ in Hebrew, and e in Greek, (the), rendered into the indefinite “a” by later falsifying translators. (See Is It God’s Word? pp. 277-279; EB. ii, 2162; New Commentary on the Holy Scripture, Pt. I, p. 439.) And St. Jerome falsely used the Latin word virgo.
Once again, Justin Martyr to the Rescue. This time, from his Dialogue with Trypho:
Martyr doesn’t really address Trypho’s observation after that — a pattern that, once thus set in the early second century has remained consistent ever since.
Cheers,
b&
Poor thing clearly she was not taught about birth control or was she god knows
Chaste? Of course she was chaste, caught as well, and we apparently have the evidence to prove it!
Reminds me of my favorite scene from Agnes of God:
MARTHA
Who knew about Agnes’ pregnancy?
MOTHER MIRIAM
No-one.
MARTHA
How did she hide it from the other nuns?
MOTHER MIRIAM (indicating her habit)
She could have hidden a machine gun in here if she had wanted to.
Is her hymen in tact?
As if it could be after giving birth…
Rather tactless I would say.
The nun, Roxana Rodriguez, acknowledged that she conceived in April, when she visited an old flame back in El Salvador, but she later took her vows, in September; so, I wonder … are those celibacy vows retroactive?
While it stretches credibility that she didn’t know she was nine-months pregnant with a rather large baby boy, the nun, Roxana Rodriguez, has formally acknowledged via a note to the church that she had conceived in April, when she visited an old flame back in El Salvador – but she then, later, took her vows, in September; so, I wonder … are those celibacy vows retroactive?
As a nun she’s has a lot of practice denying reality.